Kratom Highest 7-oh powders?

[pnillyg]

hey so im fairly new to kratom been on and off for a few months now. Curious if there are strains with higher 7-oh as i recently tried it and enjoyed it alone. I see there is enhanced kratoms but dont quite understand the terminology and culture quite yet. Any suggestions? Is there a red vein with added 7oh? Please advise thank you fam

 

[Born2rideSRH]

I suggest first and foremost, unless your wanting to go straight back into a world if you anything like me, JUST CAME OUT OF TIME AFTER TIME.. and now im afraid to say that 7-oh YES, is a alkaloid of kratom, but do the research, every single report ive found ONLY SAID "trace amounts of 7oh" meant a tiny fraction amount of it actually even in the herb itself, and that they would indefinitely HAVE TO synthetically make it, as trying to actually EXTRACT it from kratom would not even be logical to dare try due to the faint amount, and the facts of chemistry and the ability to just synthesize it in a lab, slab a funky cool looking logo on it and sell it in headshops, which are now more prevelant then ever. We REALLY now more than ever need to start FULLY doing ALL research on so much a level more than ever, if you want my full opinion. Cuz myself being a life long addict battling opiates, then H from age 17 till 27 when i grad to fent. Overdosed 9 times to really finally realize dying never even was my thing actually.. and i couldnt seem to succeed at STAYING gone, therefore i decided JUST MAYBE that man above really does want me to stick around after all and THANK GOD i opened my eyes. I CAN now say, i succeeded to not only stay sober this time but furthermore, i kept having to after the fact of abusing pain killing drugs, now sober.. (i feel like it sounds like a typical excuse maybe but its really there..) i have horrible back pain. It REALLY started in high school from being such a stoner and a taller kid i produced a natural stoner "slouch" that the teachers in middle school even fd with me (they were REALLY TRYING TO HELP MY STUBBORN ASS, i only say they fd with me about it, as back then i was such a angry, manic-depressive, suicidal, anxious, a.d.d., ball of young development that i thought back then they were actually picking on me and itd make me rebel far worse of course..) then into my drug years.. i rolled a 01 tahoe that was lifted 6in's from stock and had i think they were 32 or 35in tires, this was many years ago now. Since then something has never really been the same with my back. And to add to the irony, i was dead sober the night of the wreck, and was going 65 mph when a car ran a stop sign, long horrible story. Point is, now years later, i got clean and feel finally like i have some mental clarity that almost nothing in life could drive me back into THAT lifestyle. But im now left with ALOT of pains and very SCARY stuff going on with my body for such a healthy (on the outside) 36 yr old male. And so i explained all this to help everyone understand my still seemingly neverending search for any and all alternatives for pain killers. And i was taking kratom for MANY months, and honestly kinda wish i still was. And the only reason i say it in the fact that im not really too mad, is because lets all be honest here, im a adult (pretty much now at least i think lol) i KNEW what i was gambling, heck i honestly at first myself, call me whatever u want, but i made sure i let SOMEONE know, HEY im trying this for my first time. And then i of course FELT AMAZING and LOVED IT but also immediately recognized, UH-OH!!! THIS ISN'T GOOOOD MAN.... THATS THE HIGH YOU LIKE AND USED TO LOSE YOUR FN LIFE OVER TIME AFTER TIME.. WTF BRO.. BE CAREFUL! so, i KNEW, OH SNAP, THIS STUFFS REAL, AND WORKS FOR SURE SOMEHOW! so i wanted to then know EVERYTHING. and went down the entire internet, youtube, google rabbit-hole of 7-oh, and yes its very real, very much so a ACTUAL OPIATE. Now of course dont quote me to that because im nobody to say nor deem anything, ANYTHING. BUT, i DID the nerve wrecking research, and dont have to even look back on any of it as its burned into my brain from after my very first night i experienced what was what im positive was my first symptom of withdrawal i experienced waking up from due to 7-oh alone, which was spot on same as heroin, but far more faster onsetting, moreso id compare to the withdrawals of fentanyl and possibly even what was my personally worst substance withdrawal ive ever had of all time, and that was when i decided i was going to flat out cold turkey my suboxone strips when i was taking up to 5 8mg entire strips per DAY, sometimes id put 3 at once under my tongue.. fn nuts thinking back on it all.. but i LEARNED ALOT, the hardest ways possible, and im here to tell you, i still myself STILL am currently and unfortunately taking 7-oh, but the main reason i remained to and still do take it rather than just divert to the kratom is complex and for many reasons, mainly is due to the fact that kratom alone was building tolerance for me particularly so quick that even just my normal daily "low dose" was causing me to have dark green stools, with severe constipation. I would take so many friggin capsules (usually anywhere from 4 to even 15 in a single setting, 3 to 4 time PER DAY!) AND not only is that bad on my belly, but was not easy on the wallet really in the end either. And lets be honest, while on one hand, ive got a lifelong best friend that SWEARS by kratom, just takes stool softners along with low doses of her same capsules i was taking( just not NEAR AS MANY as i was taking) and shes remained happy and sober and most of all, the part i most forgot to touch on that kratom also cured me of was CRAVINGS. not only did it seem to at the least somehow trick my brain into thinking it took some low dose type of opiate and would fire my dopamine receptors apparently barely just enough to where id be in extreme back pain, had a family member actively trying to sell me his percocets, and me wanting them instead knowing and thinking itd be best for the pain anyways, bought five of them off him, at three, few hours later, ate the other two, and was just very fn itchy and pissed off that i wasted all that money when i could have got enough kratom to last me all fn week, and went straight back to getting kratom with the very next $25 i earned lol. And happy to say have not since even had the THOUGHT to go get some fn percs. but now back to the 7oh, the ACTUAL FACTS IS THIS, the medical documents on it ALL deem it to be a sythetic OPIOD (if i labeled it a opiate at all i apologize, i STILL get the two words mixed up..) KNOWN TO BE 40 TIMES the strength of MORPHINE. okay, now not gonna lie, when i first read this i felt like i had just discovered every recovering opiate addicts dream/worst nightmare lol, but was at first more-so in the "FUCK YEA" stage and was only thinking stubbornly about my pain, and nothing of the bigger picture, MY HEALTH. and it feels funny and depressing to say, but i used a.i. (deepseek, the free non google version lol) to help me come to the conclusion that my severe stomach cramps and pains im experiencing, and the fact that my body and brain has lately seemed to lose its ability to feel or recognize when it itself is actually hungry, and instead that "hungry" feeling is replaced with a "feeling like im gonna puke while also feeling like someones wringing my guts out like a soaked wet sock" and im not talking like just SOMETIMES, im talking waking up EARLY every morning before sunrise, to gut wrenching pains and cramps DAILY now. And the a.i. helped me best determine that while theres a chance the 7oh could have NOTHING whatsoever to do with what im going through, it made it VERY apparent to me how dangerous and even more how deadly this will all be for me if i dont first eliminate the first easiest thing actually TO ELIMINATE, being the ONLY THING I DID NOT want to, but ALSO.. KNEW id someday sooner hopefully rather than later, have to move on from if i wanted to at all even remotely have a chance at maybe trying to go ahead and give a crap to really live out these remaining years of my life as healthy and happy as possible, while also knowing the facts that i still got alot, ALOT of medical shit wrong with me that im soon gonna have to go face the music for now that im deciding i dont want a early headstone. And for ANYONE new to this stuff, if any of you have suffered also from horrible withdrawals, id HIGHLY SUGGEST TO STAY AWAY AT ALL COSTS, and DAMN SURE look at it like... Well.. hate to say it.. but almost like buying a mild version of fentanyl some super low grade fetty mixed into a chewable pill on very low levels, or more like a strong ass suboxone or subutex. Almost as good as methadone but youll end up overdosing before you even really get THAT close to even experiencing anything close to any "nods" or serious euphoria and sedation so dont bother trying. Because thats what was for me was thank god the good part about it. I of course ignorantly instantly wanted to know how high just could these lil new yummy store bought pills get me, and while yea they damn sure got the job done, after pushing that envelope a lil more, then a hour later a lil more, thirty mins later lil more, then all of a sudden i got super fn dizzy, so bad i felt like i was almost fixing to have another seizure, (oh yea, ive also had TWELVE seizures due to only drug detoxing from due to either simply running out of money and drugs, or just trying to cold turkey cuz i was sick of being a addict!) so ive learned how to kinda sense familiar senses and feelings and sensations my body gives me prior to things like that, anyways so when i started experiencing that was when i also started feeling REALLY sick to my stomach off and on. At first it came on steadily where i was able to mentally fight it for around only like prob 5 mins realistically till i projectile puked everything in my stomach, and still my body kept trying to puke. I was at work but work evening shift when most other coworkers are all gone and was THANK GOD able to hide and ride it out rather than go home sick(I LOVE THIS JOB, ID NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FORGIVE MYSELF FOR SUCH IGNORANCE LOL) but i honest to god have a incredibly high tolerance for all opiates and what seems to be all drugs in general honestly from my life long experience. Im not one bit trying to brag, im simply saying it to try to help you understand how im TRYING TO WARN EVERYONE TO STAY THE HECK AWAY if you at all care to stay away from all opiate like substances rather than herbal remedies such as ACTUAL kratom. Cuz if you can handle taking small amounts and stay healthy prob alongside some at least SOME daily stool softners then you should be fine. I think even if your doing 7oh rather than fent or heck even rather than norcos, then your winning and one step ahead of the game in my book! Anything you CAN buy from a store and stay away from having to be "doctor perscribed" or dealer acquired, then BY ALL MEANS STOCK THE F UP ON THAT STUFF, cuz the f.d.a. might ACTUALLY... EVENTUALLY... someday ban it. Lol i say it like i assume its gonna be awhiiiilllle before they do, because they yea ACKNOWLEDGE that they should, but they ALSO have been acknowledging they should finally legalize psychedelics yet im in a legal weed state and STILL CANNOT go into a store and buy any friggin shrooms, yet i can legally buy a entire syringe full of whatever strain of cubensis i want and have it legally shipped to my home, and EVEN legally grow it if only the grown spores never leave this home, so my point is that if they were really going to take it off the shelves, id have expected to start seeing some example states by now, yet no word seems to appear online of it ACTUALLY happening. Im sure there is already many "higher ups" with their pockets already deeply invested into this new, good yet also bad market. Cuz on the one hand it allows us struggling addicts and ppl with chronic pain a way to FINALLY SAY F THE INDUSTRIES and just go solo and buy it in whatever local smoke shop we chose. But on the other hand, it's also being misrepresented in the aspect of the fact, i myself get a 8 pack of tablets that are each 18mgs a pc, and for even me those lil frs are pretty decent! Yet one day i didnt have my normal 24 for the 8 pack, and instead got a cheaper pack that actually was 2 pills but a total of 100mgs, me like a idiot not really thinking back on how many milligrams at a time LOWER i was taking with the 8 pack of 18mgs per, i took a whole one and that was the second day im pretty sure i came really close to overdosing on them, and got so sick i had to puke several times and felt like i was dying damn near, and these were CHEAPER, WAAAAAY MORE POTENT, but far more dangerous cuz i damn sure dont wanna fn break ANY pill down into 1/4's for f-sake, let alone a CHEWABLE! and the fact most of all scariest, that KIDS WHO HAVE NO FN CLUE AT ALL WHAT THEY ARE GETTING, have the ability to buy these, most places dont really even ever check i.d. in fact, i think i even read somewhere online that these smoke shop vendors are currently not even legally obligated to check ages at all, as its still so much of a new and unknown thing to the government and world as a whole that its still apparently supposedly if im remebering correct, isnt required to have any age limits. Now that the fda has ACKNOWLEDGED 7oh and the fact it's a potentially dangerous deadly sythetic opiod, the only thing in fact that HAS changed, is that the 7oh companies are now required to simply add a fda warning. So UNLESS reports start actually REALLY coming to light about ACTUAL PROVEN 7oh CAUSED deaths, then i HIGHLY DOUBT its gonna get fully pulled from the shelves if it all honestly. And i myself much would rather remain HAVING this option, but yet have them AGE RESTRICT it, and require limitations to things like, milligrams allowed per actual chewable/capsule/whatever tf the turn it into, not just "PER SERVING" as we all know a "SUGGESTED SERVING" can be so easily manipulated in areas like this that only pure ignorance would allow otherwise. And if anyone actually read all of that, and has anymore questions or concerns, or even just simply just wants someone to talk to with who has also been there and done that, im always willing and furthermore would LOVE to help or share my experiences and gained knowledges of the good, the bad, and the ugly with ANYONE wanting to listen! Trust me anyone reading this thinking YOU CANT DO IT, im laughing in your face only cuz i WAS SO MUCH THAT GUY YOULL NEVER HAVE A FN CLUE... THE THINGS IVE DONE/SEEN/LIVED THROUGH I myself still dont even feel worthy of taking credit for.. but im LEARNING how to better and more everyday i keep simply getting back up and just trying with everything i can. And now it's honesty become easy to stay off the hard crap. These smaller sythetic things yea are far more tempting and so easily obtainable that im def playing with fire. But i also DO HIGHLY plan on soon tapering totally off 7oh and rather than even considering going back to kratom going to try to just get my nurotin refilled and hope i can handle the pain enough to at the least stay doing good at my job. But this 7oh is far more simular to a opiate in my personal experiences with it then suboxone compares to opiates, id say 7oh by FAR outpowers suboxone or subutex anyday. And if that doesnt say enough to you then.. im not sure really how else to i guess. Lol sorry for my novel!

 

[TinFoilFez]

7-oh has been pulled from the shelves in Florida. I'm 60 yo. 20+ year opiate user for back pain. Went cold turkey off some ridiculously huge scripts of percocet. Dozens of times. I am telling you now - stay AWAY from 7OH. It's the big bad wolf. I never needed help going cold turkey. I'm very tough. I needed help getting off this shit and only had it two weeks. It's the boogyman.

 

[Deleted member 585202]

7-oh has been pulled from the shelves in Florida. I'm 60 yo. 20+ year opiate user for back pain. Went cold turkey off some ridiculously huge scripts of percocet. Dozens of times. I am telling you now - stay AWAY from 7OH. It's the big bad wolf. I never needed help going cold turkey. I'm very tough. I needed help getting off this shit and only had it two weeks. It's the boogyman.

I think a lot of people scoff when I say that the withdrawal is worse than heroin in a lot of ways.

The physical sickness, like nausea, diarrhea, runny nose, etc, is not nearly as bad as heroin or other opioids. But the anxiety, agitation, restlessness, and a few other symptoms are significantly worse than heroin.

It really is the devil.

 

[helpingout]

I suggest first and foremost, unless your wanting to go straight back into a world if you anything like me, JUST CAME OUT OF TIME AFTER TIME.. and now im afraid to say that 7-oh YES, is a alkaloid of kratom, but do the research, every single report ive found ONLY SAID "trace amounts of 7oh" meant a tiny fraction amount of it actually even in the herb itself, and that they would indefinitely HAVE TO synthetically make it, as trying to actually EXTRACT it from kratom would not even be logical to dare try due to the faint amount, and the facts of chemistry and the ability to just synthesize it in a lab, slab a funky cool looking logo on it and sell it in headshops, which are now more prevelant then ever. We REALLY now more than ever need to start FULLY doing ALL research on so much a level more than ever, if you want my full opinion. Cuz myself being a life long addict battling opiates, then H from age 17 till 27 when i grad to fent. Overdosed 9 times to really finally realize dying never even was my thing actually.. and i couldnt seem to succeed at STAYING gone, therefore i decided JUST MAYBE that man above really does want me to stick around after all and THANK GOD i opened my eyes. I CAN now say, i succeeded to not only stay sober this time but furthermore, i kept having to after the fact of abusing pain killing drugs, now sober.. (i feel like it sounds like a typical excuse maybe but its really there..) i have horrible back pain. It REALLY started in high school from being such a stoner and a taller kid i produced a natural stoner "slouch" that the teachers in middle school even fd with me (they were REALLY TRYING TO HELP MY STUBBORN ASS, i only say they fd with me about it, as back then i was such a angry, manic-depressive, suicidal, anxious, a.d.d., ball of young development that i thought back then they were actually picking on me and itd make me rebel far worse of course..) then into my drug years.. i rolled a 01 tahoe that was lifted 6in's from stock and had i think they were 32 or 35in tires, this was many years ago now. Since then something has never really been the same with my back. And to add to the irony, i was dead sober the night of the wreck, and was going 65 mph when a car ran a stop sign, long horrible story. Point is, now years later, i got clean and feel finally like i have some mental clarity that almost nothing in life could drive me back into THAT lifestyle. But im now left with ALOT of pains and very SCARY stuff going on with my body for such a healthy (on the outside) 36 yr old male. And so i explained all this to help everyone understand my still seemingly neverending search for any and all alternatives for pain killers. And i was taking kratom for MANY months, and honestly kinda wish i still was. And the only reason i say it in the fact that im not really too mad, is because lets all be honest here, im a adult (pretty much now at least i think lol) i KNEW what i was gambling, heck i honestly at first myself, call me whatever u want, but i made sure i let SOMEONE know, HEY im trying this for my first time. And then i of course FELT AMAZING and LOVED IT but also immediately recognized, UH-OH!!! THIS ISN'T GOOOOD MAN.... THATS THE HIGH YOU LIKE AND USED TO LOSE YOUR FN LIFE OVER TIME AFTER TIME.. WTF BRO.. BE CAREFUL! so, i KNEW, OH SNAP, THIS STUFFS REAL, AND WORKS FOR SURE SOMEHOW! so i wanted to then know EVERYTHING. and went down the entire internet, youtube, google rabbit-hole of 7-oh, and yes its very real, very much so a ACTUAL OPIATE. Now of course dont quote me to that because im nobody to say nor deem anything, ANYTHING. BUT, i DID the nerve wrecking research, and dont have to even look back on any of it as its burned into my brain from after my very first night i experienced what was what im positive was my first symptom of withdrawal i experienced waking up from due to 7-oh alone, which was spot on same as heroin, but far more faster onsetting, moreso id compare to the withdrawals of fentanyl and possibly even what was my personally worst substance withdrawal ive ever had of all time, and that was when i decided i was going to flat out cold turkey my suboxone strips when i was taking up to 5 8mg entire strips per DAY, sometimes id put 3 at once under my tongue.. fn nuts thinking back on it all.. but i LEARNED ALOT, the hardest ways possible, and im here to tell you, i still myself STILL am currently and unfortunately taking 7-oh, but the main reason i remained to and still do take it rather than just divert to the kratom is complex and for many reasons, mainly is due to the fact that kratom alone was building tolerance for me particularly so quick that even just my normal daily "low dose" was causing me to have dark green stools, with severe constipation. I would take so many friggin capsules (usually anywhere from 4 to even 15 in a single setting, 3 to 4 time PER DAY!) AND not only is that bad on my belly, but was not easy on the wallet really in the end either. And lets be honest, while on one hand, ive got a lifelong best friend that SWEARS by kratom, just takes stool softners along with low doses of her same capsules i was taking( just not NEAR AS MANY as i was taking) and shes remained happy and sober and most of all, the part i most forgot to touch on that kratom also cured me of was CRAVINGS. not only did it seem to at the least somehow trick my brain into thinking it took some low dose type of opiate and would fire my dopamine receptors apparently barely just enough to where id be in extreme back pain, had a family member actively trying to sell me his percocets, and me wanting them instead knowing and thinking itd be best for the pain anyways, bought five of them off him, at three, few hours later, ate the other two, and was just very fn itchy and pissed off that i wasted all that money when i could have got enough kratom to last me all fn week, and went straight back to getting kratom with the very next $25 i earned lol. And happy to say have not since even had the THOUGHT to go get some fn percs. but now back to the 7oh, the ACTUAL FACTS IS THIS, the medical documents on it ALL deem it to be a sythetic OPIOD (if i labeled it a opiate at all i apologize, i STILL get the two words mixed up..) KNOWN TO BE 40 TIMES the strength of MORPHINE. okay, now not gonna lie, when i first read this i felt like i had just discovered every recovering opiate addicts dream/worst nightmare lol, but was at first more-so in the "FUCK YEA" stage and was only thinking stubbornly about my pain, and nothing of the bigger picture, MY HEALTH. and it feels funny and depressing to say, but i used a.i. (deepseek, the free non google version lol) to help me come to the conclusion that my severe stomach cramps and pains im experiencing, and the fact that my body and brain has lately seemed to lose its ability to feel or recognize when it itself is actually hungry, and instead that "hungry" feeling is replaced with a "feeling like im gonna puke while also feeling like someones wringing my guts out like a soaked wet sock" and im not talking like just SOMETIMES, im talking waking up EARLY every morning before sunrise, to gut wrenching pains and cramps DAILY now. And the a.i. helped me best determine that while theres a chance the 7oh could have NOTHING whatsoever to do with what im going through, it made it VERY apparent to me how dangerous and even more how deadly this will all be for me if i dont first eliminate the first easiest thing actually TO ELIMINATE, being the ONLY THING I DID NOT want to, but ALSO.. KNEW id someday sooner hopefully rather than later, have to move on from if i wanted to at all even remotely have a chance at maybe trying to go ahead and give a crap to really live out these remaining years of my life as healthy and happy as possible, while also knowing the facts that i still got alot, ALOT of medical shit wrong with me that im soon gonna have to go face the music for now that im deciding i dont want a early headstone. And for ANYONE new to this stuff, if any of you have suffered also from horrible withdrawals, id HIGHLY SUGGEST TO STAY AWAY AT ALL COSTS, and DAMN SURE look at it like... Well.. hate to say it.. but almost like buying a mild version of fentanyl some super low grade fetty mixed into a chewable pill on very low levels, or more like a strong ass suboxone or subutex. Almost as good as methadone but youll end up overdosing before you even really get THAT close to even experiencing anything close to any "nods" or serious euphoria and sedation so dont bother trying. Because thats what was for me was thank god the good part about it. I of course ignorantly instantly wanted to know how high just could these lil new yummy store bought pills get me, and while yea they damn sure got the job done, after pushing that envelope a lil more, then a hour later a lil more, thirty mins later lil more, then all of a sudden i got super fn dizzy, so bad i felt like i was almost fixing to have another seizure, (oh yea, ive also had TWELVE seizures due to only drug detoxing from due to either simply running out of money and drugs, or just trying to cold turkey cuz i was sick of being a addict!) so ive learned how to kinda sense familiar senses and feelings and sensations my body gives me prior to things like that, anyways so when i started experiencing that was when i also started feeling REALLY sick to my stomach off and on. At first it came on steadily where i was able to mentally fight it for around only like prob 5 mins realistically till i projectile puked everything in my stomach, and still my body kept trying to puke. I was at work but work evening shift when most other coworkers are all gone and was THANK GOD able to hide and ride it out rather than go home sick(I LOVE THIS JOB, ID NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FORGIVE MYSELF FOR SUCH IGNORANCE LOL) but i honest to god have a incredibly high tolerance for all opiates and what seems to be all drugs in general honestly from my life long experience. Im not one bit trying to brag, im simply saying it to try to help you understand how im TRYING TO WARN EVERYONE TO STAY THE HECK AWAY if you at all care to stay away from all opiate like substances rather than herbal remedies such as ACTUAL kratom. Cuz if you can handle taking small amounts and stay healthy prob alongside some at least SOME daily stool softners then you should be fine. I think even if your doing 7oh rather than fent or heck even rather than norcos, then your winning and one step ahead of the game in my book! Anything you CAN buy from a store and stay away from having to be "doctor perscribed" or dealer acquired, then BY ALL MEANS STOCK THE F UP ON THAT STUFF, cuz the f.d.a. might ACTUALLY... EVENTUALLY... someday ban it. Lol i say it like i assume its gonna be awhiiiilllle before they do, because they yea ACKNOWLEDGE that they should, but they ALSO have been acknowledging they should finally legalize psychedelics yet im in a legal weed state and STILL CANNOT go into a store and buy any friggin shrooms, yet i can legally buy a entire syringe full of whatever strain of cubensis i want and have it legally shipped to my home, and EVEN legally grow it if only the grown spores never leave this home, so my point is that if they were really going to take it off the shelves, id have expected to start seeing some example states by now, yet no word seems to appear online of it ACTUALLY happening. Im sure there is already many "higher ups" with their pockets already deeply invested into this new, good yet also bad market. Cuz on the one hand it allows us struggling addicts and ppl with chronic pain a way to FINALLY SAY F THE INDUSTRIES and just go solo and buy it in whatever local smoke shop we chose. But on the other hand, it's also being misrepresented in the aspect of the fact, i myself get a 8 pack of tablets that are each 18mgs a pc, and for even me those lil frs are pretty decent! Yet one day i didnt have my normal 24 for the 8 pack, and instead got a cheaper pack that actually was 2 pills but a total of 100mgs, me like a idiot not really thinking back on how many milligrams at a time LOWER i was taking with the 8 pack of 18mgs per, i took a whole one and that was the second day im pretty sure i came really close to overdosing on them, and got so sick i had to puke several times and felt like i was dying damn near, and these were CHEAPER, WAAAAAY MORE POTENT, but far more dangerous cuz i damn sure dont wanna fn break ANY pill down into 1/4's for f-sake, let alone a CHEWABLE! and the fact most of all scariest, that KIDS WHO HAVE NO FN CLUE AT ALL WHAT THEY ARE GETTING, have the ability to buy these, most places dont really even ever check i.d. in fact, i think i even read somewhere online that these smoke shop vendors are currently not even legally obligated to check ages at all, as its still so much of a new and unknown thing to the government and world as a whole that its still apparently supposedly if im remebering correct, isnt required to have any age limits. Now that the fda has ACKNOWLEDGED 7oh and the fact it's a potentially dangerous deadly sythetic opiod, the only thing in fact that HAS changed, is that the 7oh companies are now required to simply add a fda warning. So UNLESS reports start actually REALLY coming to light about ACTUAL PROVEN 7oh CAUSED deaths, then i HIGHLY DOUBT its gonna get fully pulled from the shelves if it all honestly. And i myself much would rather remain HAVING this option, but yet have them AGE RESTRICT it, and require limitations to things like, milligrams allowed per actual chewable/capsule/whatever tf the turn it into, not just "PER SERVING" as we all know a "SUGGESTED SERVING" can be so easily manipulated in areas like this that only pure ignorance would allow otherwise. And if anyone actually read all of that, and has anymore questions or concerns, or even just simply just wants someone to talk to with who has also been there and done that, im always willing and furthermore would LOVE to help or share my experiences and gained knowledges of the good, the bad, and the ugly with ANYONE wanting to listen! Trust me anyone reading this thinking YOU CANT DO IT, im laughing in your face only cuz i WAS SO MUCH THAT GUY YOULL NEVER HAVE A FN CLUE... THE THINGS IVE DONE/SEEN/LIVED THROUGH I myself still dont even feel worthy of taking credit for.. but im LEARNING how to better and more everyday i keep simply getting back up and just trying with everything i can. And now it's honesty become easy to stay off the hard crap. These smaller sythetic things yea are far more tempting and so easily obtainable that im def playing with fire. But i also DO HIGHLY plan on soon tapering totally off 7oh and rather than even considering going back to kratom going to try to just get my nurotin refilled and hope i can handle the pain enough to at the least stay doing good at my job. But this 7oh is far more simular to a opiate in my personal experiences with it then suboxone compares to opiates, id say 7oh by FAR outpowers suboxone or subutex anyday. And if that doesnt say enough to you then.. im not sure really how else to i guess. Lol sorry for my novel!

Guess what
Kratoms active ingredient mitragynine metabolizes into 7oh by your liver. You’ve always been on 7oh and kratom withdrawal sucks

 

[TinFoilFez]

I think a lot of people scoff when I say that the withdrawal is worse than heroin in a lot of ways.

The physical sickness, like nausea, diarrhea, runny nose, etc, is not nearly as bad as heroin or other opioids. But the anxiety, agitation, restlessness, and a few other symptoms are significantly worse than heroin.

It really is the devil.

Indeed. If I ever prayed for anyone to take my measly advice, this piece would be it. Stay away.

 

[Dr. Morphine]

7-oh has been pulled from the shelves in Florida. I'm 60 yo. 20+ year opiate user for back pain. Went cold turkey off some ridiculously huge scripts of percocet. Dozens of times. I am telling you now - stay AWAY from 7OH. It's the big bad wolf. I never needed help going cold turkey. I'm very tough. I needed help getting off this shit and only had it two weeks. It's the boogyman.

So this 7-OH stuff doesn't give you the buzz of opiates, doesn't last as long, but your get worse withdrawals if you take it more than one or two days in a row? Do I have that correct? At any rate, people should probably know that it's addictive and causes some serious withdrawals, and not take it more than once a week. Do I have that correct as well? I'm not saying that anyone or even myself isn't susceptible to becoming addicted to a substance but uhh.. people ruin a good time by having too much of a good time. Been there done that.

 

[TinFoilFez]

So this 7-OH stuff doesn't give you the buzz of opiates, doesn't last as long, but your get worse withdrawals if you take it more than one or two days in a row? Do I have that correct? At any rate, people should probably know that it's addictive and causes some serious withdrawals, and not take it more than once a week. Do I have that correct as well? I'm not saying that anyone or even myself isn't susceptible to becoming addicted to a substance but uhh.. people ruin a good time by having too much of a good time. Been there done that.

Oh no, I didn't explain something right. The 7-OH has the identical buzz as Percocet, if not stronger. And it comes on like a freight train - within 15 minutes, where Percocet took at least 45 minutes. A very strong warm and fuzzy feel - like a first-time opiate use. Yes, very easy to get addicted. My point was I am experienced in withdrawal, but this stuff kicked even MY butt. Good luck out there!

 

[Keif' Richards]

I understand you're probably not looking for a philosophy lesson here. I'd be doing everyone here reading a disservice by not pointing out some constants that we all deal with as Opioid users/addicts.

If Newton made a law that things fall back to earth inevitably, I will tell you that dosage escalation inevitably leads to ruin. Codeine, an Opiate 1/10th the potency of Morphine was found freely in pharmacies outside of the US for decades. It was only very recently that Codeine was pulled from shelves in other jurisdictions. My main point here is that, this relatively weak Opioid was on store shelves, freely, this entire time. There was not a huge Opioid addiction problem.

My more refined point is this, Opioids are the very definition of playing with fire. We all think we can light shit on fire as kids and nothing bad will happen. Often, people actually burn their house down or burn down an entire forest. That feeling of watching the fire grow, knowing you can still put it out if you try your hardest, only for it to continue growing. You realize in that moment why everyone who knew better told you not to play with fire.

Opioids can be used chronically only if all precautions are taken. Ben Franklin said an ounce of prevention was worth a pound of cure. The only way we can continually live and have these drugs as features of our lives is to use them at the lowest possible dosage, at the least possible frequency.

The escalation of dosage = linear improvement of effects is our greatest weakness. What we actually get are a set of increasingly great diminished returns. These returns happen at such a rate, that, combined with the relative satisfaction of being able to get high at all, that it is often just not possible for someone to examine the situation with the harsh criticism that it demands.

A person who takes a little bit of Codeine a few times a week is experiencing more pleasure with his little bit of Codeine then the 10-year addict injecting gigantic amounts of Fentanyl into their veins. Other chronic addicts, please chime in with some abstraction.

When I had been using Heroin for 7-8 years, while living overseas, I would sometimes inject 3-4 grams of pure Heroin per day. I had to use multiple syringes to do single doses as the syringes would become muddy. You know what I felt? Numb. Empty. Longing to feel anything at all. Was this even 1% as good as my first times using Opioids when I was younger; even 0.1%? Probably not. This is the logical extreme for Opioid addiction and dependence.

We tend to step over the event horizon of this black hole, often believing we can still easily escape despite having been already fucked long before. A dosage escalation from Kratom to these extracts might seem like nothing in the grand scheme, but that's my point. Your belief that you can fix the problem at a later date is often a fallacy.

Yes, there are a great number of semi-synthetic and fully-synthetic analogs of Mitragynine on the market right now. Many are simply Opioids of potency relative to Oxycodone/Heroin and some are actually stronger.

If you want to have Opioids as a way of relaxing/mitigating suffering/pain in your life, you would do best to stick to your Kratom. Be thankful to God that you have no already fucked yourself like we have and that you still have the magic of Opioids in your life. Whatever is going on in your life that requires these drugs, I would recommend any and everything that is not an Opioid to remedy it.

I know what many, especially the younger crowd will say, "but it is technically possible to...". Yes, you can technically do lots of shit. I could technically explode spontaneously sitting at this computer, but I've never actually met someone who has exploded, so there you go.

Stick to your Kratom. Dosage escalation is a mistake.

 

[TinFoilFez]

I understand you're probably not looking for a philosophy lesson here. I'd be doing everyone here reading a disservice by not pointing out some constants that we all deal with as Opioid users/addicts.

If Newton made a law that things fall back to earth inevitably, I will tell you that dosage escalation inevitably leads to ruin. Codeine, an Opiate 1/10th the potency of Morphine was found freely in pharmacies outside of the US for decades. It was only very recently that Codeine was pulled from shelves in other jurisdictions. My main point here is that, this relatively weak Opioid was on store shelves, freely, this entire time. There was not a huge Opioid addiction problem.

My more refined point is this, Opioids are the very definition of playing with fire. We all think we can light shit on fire as kids and nothing bad will happen. Often, people actually burn their house down or burn down an entire forest. That feeling of watching the fire grow, knowing you can still put it out if you try your hardest, only for it to continue growing. You realize in that moment why everyone who knew better told you not to play with fire.

Opioids can be used chronically only if all precautions are taken. Ben Franklin said an ounce of prevention was worth a pound of cure. The only way we can continually live and have these drugs as features of our lives is to use them at the lowest possible dosage, at the least possible frequency.

The escalation of dosage = linear improvement of effects is our greatest weakness. What we actually get are a set of increasingly great diminished returns. These returns happen at such a rate, that, combined with the relative satisfaction of being able to get high at all, that it is often just not possible for someone to examine the situation with the harsh criticism that it demands.

A person who takes a little bit of Codeine a few times a week is experiencing more pleasure with his little bit of Codeine then the 10-year addict injecting gigantic amounts of Fentanyl into their veins. Other chronic addicts, please chime in with some abstraction.

When I had been using Heroin for 7-8 years, while living overseas, I would sometimes inject 3-4 grams of pure Heroin per day. I had to use multiple syringes to do single doses as the syringes would become muddy. You know what I felt? Numb. Empty. Longing to feel anything at all. Was this even 1% as good as my first times using Opioids when I was younger; even 0.1%? Probably not. This is the logical extreme for Opioid addiction and dependence.

We tend to step over the event horizon of this black hole, often believing we can still easily escape despite having been already fucked long before. A dosage escalation from Kratom to these extracts might seem like nothing in the grand scheme, but that's my point. Your belief that you can fix the problem at a later date is often a fallacy.

Yes, there are a great number of semi-synthetic and fully-synthetic analogs of Mitragynine on the market right now. Many are simply Opioids of potency relative to Oxycodone/Heroin and some are actually stronger.

If you want to have Opioids as a way of relaxing/mitigating suffering/pain in your life, you would do best to stick to your Kratom. Be thankful to God that you have no already fucked yourself like we have and that you still have the magic of Opioids in your life. Whatever is going on in your life that requires these drugs, I would recommend any and everything that is not an Opioid to remedy it.

I know what many, especially the younger crowd will say, "but it is technically possible to...". Yes, you can technically do lots of shit. I could technically explode spontaneously sitting at this computer, but I've never actually met someone who has exploded, so there you go.

Stick to your Kratom. Dosage escalation is a mistake.

Nice post. Thank you.

 

[Opi-wan]

I understand you're probably not looking for a philosophy lesson here. I'd be doing everyone here reading a disservice by not pointing out some constants that we all deal with as Opioid users/addicts.

If Newton made a law that things fall back to earth inevitably, I will tell you that dosage escalation inevitably leads to ruin. Codeine, an Opiate 1/10th the potency of Morphine was found freely in pharmacies outside of the US for decades. It was only very recently that Codeine was pulled from shelves in other jurisdictions. My main point here is that, this relatively weak Opioid was on store shelves, freely, this entire time. There was not a huge Opioid addiction problem.

My more refined point is this, Opioids are the very definition of playing with fire. We all think we can light shit on fire as kids and nothing bad will happen. Often, people actually burn their house down or burn down an entire forest. That feeling of watching the fire grow, knowing you can still put it out if you try your hardest, only for it to continue growing. You realize in that moment why everyone who knew better told you not to play with fire.

Opioids can be used chronically only if all precautions are taken. Ben Franklin said an ounce of prevention was worth a pound of cure. The only way we can continually live and have these drugs as features of our lives is to use them at the lowest possible dosage, at the least possible frequency.

The escalation of dosage = linear improvement of effects is our greatest weakness. What we actually get are a set of increasingly great diminished returns. These returns happen at such a rate, that, combined with the relative satisfaction of being able to get high at all, that it is often just not possible for someone to examine the situation with the harsh criticism that it demands.

A person who takes a little bit of Codeine a few times a week is experiencing more pleasure with his little bit of Codeine then the 10-year addict injecting gigantic amounts of Fentanyl into their veins. Other chronic addicts, please chime in with some abstraction.

When I had been using Heroin for 7-8 years, while living overseas, I would sometimes inject 3-4 grams of pure Heroin per day. I had to use multiple syringes to do single doses as the syringes would become muddy. You know what I felt? Numb. Empty. Longing to feel anything at all. Was this even 1% as good as my first times using Opioids when I was younger; even 0.1%? Probably not. This is the logical extreme for Opioid addiction and dependence.

We tend to step over the event horizon of this black hole, often believing we can still easily escape despite having been already fucked long before. A dosage escalation from Kratom to these extracts might seem like nothing in the grand scheme, but that's my point. Your belief that you can fix the problem at a later date is often a fallacy.

Yes, there are a great number of semi-synthetic and fully-synthetic analogs of Mitragynine on the market right now. Many are simply Opioids of potency relative to Oxycodone/Heroin and some are actually stronger.

If you want to have Opioids as a way of relaxing/mitigating suffering/pain in your life, you would do best to stick to your Kratom. Be thankful to God that you have no already fucked yourself like we have and that you still have the magic of Opioids in your life. Whatever is going on in your life that requires these drugs, I would recommend any and everything that is not an Opioid to remedy it.

I know what many, especially the younger crowd will say, "but it is technically possible to...". Yes, you can technically do lots of shit. I could technically explode spontaneously sitting at this computer, but I've never actually met someone who has exploded, so there you go.

Stick to your Kratom. Dosage escalation is a mistake.

Thank you, I need to come back to this probably every Sunday and reread. Spot on mate

 

[cnnka]

Lots of fear mongering for this stuff really isn’t such serious if you don’t dose all day and don’t do crazy high dosages is pretty tame drug. For me is lot of better than kratom , kratom I had side effects lots of them by ingesting so much plant material I had withdrawal if I missed my dose , with 7OH I ingest minimal powder dosent have these side effects the high is better and I can skip days without any WD’s maybe the first day I miss it psychologically but I will not get out of my way to get it or if I have stuff to do I don’t notice anything at all.
At this point I’m convinced that in the US market you get a completely different chemical than 7OH and that chemical requires high dosages is crazy addictive and has bad withdrawals here in Europe I don’t know anyone from my cycle or other people who would take more than 20mg and I know people who dose all day long and we’re talking about 20mg total IN A DAY not per serving even those people no one mentions any withdrawal symptoms. Maybe the chemical is different or the American consumerism mindset apply to 7OH and you abuse it too hard.

 

[Them Witches]

The shop I go to goes to a lot of shops that have unsold or just what it off their shelves. And makes them a bulk offer.

I noticed around 11/2025 there was a change in the active ingredient. It was all of a sudden the purity was lower. I don't know maybe there are counterfeit batches, whatever something changed.
It could be there were extra ingredients besides 7-OH.

Here is where it gets interesting. From the owners adventures to buy out a shops bulk, there was a mix up of things. Packs with stamped expired singles (close to our current date) with perforation slits). Then singles without an expiration dates and those without stamps did not have a perforation slit.

Any older expiration stamps and singles without expiration, all of these are higher strength 7-OH and/or contained "extra ingredients"