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kidtipper

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psychedelics and the uberman sleep schedule

Hey everyone. My names Tipper, currently in the Tucson AZ area but transferring to Maryland College Park for my spring semester and the rest of college. Great forum you guys have here, I've read through a lot of good stuff the past couple of days.
So once I get to maryland I'm hoping to go on a polyphasic (uberman) sleep schedule. This is where you take a short nap every four hours or so, instead of a typical 8 hour sleep during nightime. After a bit of time your body gets adjusted to the schedule, and you go into rem sleep immediately (rem sleep is the deep restorative sleep. You typically only get about 2-3 hours of rem sleep a night anyways, which is why the uberman works.)

So anyways, I'm interested in trying some psychedelic drugs. Given that I have to take a 25 minute nap every four hours, could anyway give me some recommendations on drugs I could try?

I want to stay away from anything thats extremely addictive (heroin, crack, etc) but I'm open to trying just about anything else.

Basically, what could I take where after four hours, I could fall asleep, and then get up again in twenty minutes. If i can't fall asleep or I oversleep on this schedule it really fucks with my body.

Thanks, also if anyone is in the tucson area for the next couple of months or the college park area in the spring and summer, hit me up with a pm.
 
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Okay dude, deep sleep (SWS) is not REM sleep. Your body is made to sleep through the night, I don't think a polyphasic sleep schedule is healthy, it will not give you enough time in each of the four phases of sleep. Of course, I'm not an expert so feel free to ignore me.

As for your question, DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are extremely short acting when smoked, though their intensity would make me hesitate to recommend them. I think 5-MeO-DALT might be up your alley. I can't really recall the details of its headspace or duration, but here's the big and dandy thread on it if you want to look: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=146249

While I don't consider dissociatives to be psychedelics, many here do, and there's some overlap in the appeal, so Ketamine would also fit your time parameter.
 
Smoking 5-MeO-DALT could do the trick, but I really can't recommend doing any psychedelic drugs if sleep is of any importance. You're likely to feel slightly off baseline for a few hours even with something as short lasting as smoked 5-MeO-DALT, and stressing about having to sleep later on is not something I'd want to do.

Ideally, you should have at least one day free for tripping - and preferrably also the next day as a sort of "recovery day" where you relax, enjoy the afterglow and try to integrate the experience.

Aside from that, 5-MeO-DALT is not the most exciting tryptamine in my opinion. It's fairly enjoyable, though not very "deep".
 
I would be concerned about residual effects making it difficult to sleep on pretty much any psychedelic with such an unusual and precise sleep schedule. Something very short lasting like DMT would be the only real option, methinks. There are some short-lasting 4-substituted tryptamines but 4 hours to fit in the entire experience and be completely back to baseline so it has no effect on sleep patterns? I don't know of one like that.

Every study I've read on this type of sleep schedule has concluded that it's not a good idea for prolonged use under normal conditions. Why are you doing this? It will make scheduling classes, let alone having a normal social life, a complete nightmare, IMO.
 
I'm going to do it with my really close friend/dorm mate. I'm not going to do it for very long, probably only my spring semester of college -- just a couple months. I'm mostly doing it because it's going to give us so much extra time, and I'll have a friend to share the time with. While everyone else is sleeping we'll be up doing homework at like four am, or playing beer pong in our dorm or whatever basically. The ra's won't be awake to bust us from the 4am-8am because noone will be awake, so as long as we're quiet we can do whatever in our dorm.

We're going to get really good at a bunch of stuff we practice together, just because we'll have so much extra time. I've read some successful accounts of the uberman that sound pretty cool (http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/), it's just something I want to try. It sounds like I don't have to be percise down to the minute on my nap times, I can probably stretch it too like 5 hours awake.

also, how cool would it be to bust in at a friends room the next morning and be like, so what'd you do over the past 8 hours. sleep? that's cool, my friend and I tripped balls on dtp and played a shitton of videogames and got all our homework done.
 
Somehow I doubt you'll have as much fun as you think you'll have. The first couple semesters of college can get intense quickly.
 
kidtipper said:
also, how cool would it be to bust in at a friends room the next morning and be like, so what'd you do over the past 8 hours. sleep? that's cool, my friend and I tripped balls on dtp and played a shitton of videogames and got all our homework done.
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not cool and not the point - and a highly unlikely outcome!


now if you are serious about the sleep thing...

good luck on your adventure.
i would recommend that you refrain from any and all mind altering substances during this experiment - including caffeine or any kind of energy supplement.

i don't think that alcohol would be compatible any more so than DMT, 5-meo-dalt, pot, or bananadine would be!! i think you should try to focus on eating right and exercising right - and do this STONE COLD SOBER.

don't get me wrong - i'm not anti. i just think you have a 1,2,3 recipe for a psychotic break:

1. school - new environment
2. polyphasic (uberman) sleep schedule - radically new sleep schedule!!!
3. trying some new fast acting hallucinogens - hey lets smoke some DMT!!!

so... why don't you try the sleep thing for like a semester before you mix in any drugs?
 
2-cd is short and sweet but if you're going to try this sleep schedule you need to work out the dynamics of that, first.

also I lol'd at Surf Shaman's referencing of bananadine.
 
My advice would be to study study study.Learn as much as you possibly can about the sleep cycle and as much as you possibly can about psychedelics drugs. Study these subjects as if you were getting credit for them. It would be better to have much knowledge about this than to wing it half heartedly.IMHO if you have to ask us which drugs to take you havent done enough homework.
 
surf.shaman said:
not cool and not the point - and a highly unlikely outcome!


now if you are serious about the sleep thing...

good luck on your adventure.
i would recommend that you refrain from any and all mind altering substances during this experiment - including caffeine or any kind of energy supplement.

i don't think that alcohol would be compatible any more so than DMT, 5-meo-dalt, pot, or bananadine would be!! i think you should try to focus on eating right and exercising right - and do this STONE COLD SOBER.

don't get me wrong - i'm not anti. i just think you have a 1,2,3 recipe for a psychotic break:

1. school - new environment
2. polyphasic (uberman) sleep schedule - radically new sleep schedule!!!
3. trying some new fast acting hallucinogens - hey lets smoke some DMT!!!

so... why don't you try the sleep thing for like a semester before you mix in any drugs?
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that sounds completely reasonable. I realize I probably sound really gung-ho about everything right now, But I've done a decent amount of research on the uberman (maybe ten hours of reading). I really am clueless about psychedelics, never done anything harder then weed, but I read up on dtp and it doesn't sound like something I'd do anyway. I don't want to get involved with needles or insufllation, most of the experiences I've read say you need to convert it to the freebase to smoke it or else it's a really unpleasant experiance, and taking it orally just doesn't sound very effective.

I know this is going to be a big change for my body. I'm cutting out all caffine from my diet, and going to eat a lot of healthier food (vegetables in particular supposedly are great for your body on the uberman, because your body doesn't have to work as hard to break them down and you can fall asleep easier." I'm not talking about binge drinking, that wouldn't work on this because I wouldn't be able to wake up after 20 minutes anyways. Just a couple beers here and there.

I was wondering about the psychedelics because that's something else i'm interested in trying. I would of course wait untill I was on a stable sleep schedule before I tried any of them. If none would work well with the uberman then I'll wait till summer, but if there are any I could try I think it'd be a fun thing to do.

Thanks for the advice guys, sorry I'm not very knowledgeable this was in the new member greeting place but it got moved :/
 
awesome.

you have your whole life ahead of you and will have plenty of chances to gain psychedelic experience if that is what you desire.

i really feel that it is best for you to go the sober route for the sleep experiment. please report back here on how it goes.
 
surf.shaman said:
not cool and not the point - and a highly unlikely outcome!


now if you are serious about the sleep thing...

good luck on your adventure.
i would recommend that you refrain from any and all mind altering substances during this experiment - including caffeine or any kind of energy supplement.

i don't think that alcohol would be compatible any more so than DMT, 5-meo-dalt, pot, or bananadine would be!! i think you should try to focus on eating right and exercising right - and do this STONE COLD SOBER.

don't get me wrong - i'm not anti. i just think you have a 1,2,3 recipe for a psychotic break:

1. school - new environment
2. polyphasic (uberman) sleep schedule - radically new sleep schedule!!!
3. trying some new fast acting hallucinogens - hey lets smoke some DMT!!!

so... why don't you try the sleep thing for like a semester before you mix in any drugs?
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Although I agree that recreational and all commonplace drugs should be avoided for this, mainly because I've found that drug use impairs non-drug related activities' charm after too many, but cold turkey isn't quite the way to go either, especially when attempting a highly ludicrous and fairly doubtful, at least to me, sleep cycle. Basically, you'll want Excell gum, one 5-HTP supplement after you wake up, an elemental magnesium pill (500mg ) once a day at the same time, so noon let's say, and a mixture of green tea, peppermint tea and Chai tea to drink before you go to sleep, along with an alarm and a small candy for when you first wake up. The 5-HTP will slowly raise your serotonin (and thus by extension melatonin levels) over the course of a few weeks, the magnesium will keep the 5-HTP going through whatever timeframe you have, gum contains a precursor (Phenylalanine) to the chemical that signals Dopamine and Norepinephrine, which will slowly naturally heighten your mood. The tea will partially sedate you so you can get to sleep, but you can also wake back up. The alarm is in case the tea did the job too well, and the small candy is to give you a small temporary boost to help you get back up but without preventing you to get back to sleep the next time you need to. Hope this helps.
 
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