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Hi! Anyone know if 5 days is enough for Kratom Withdrawals?

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LostWon

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Hi guys. I am new here. Apologies at first if this is the wrong section to post in.
I just need help or wisdom with someone who has kicked Kratom habit before. Thank you for anyone that reads or replies.

I started Kratom about March 15th (Maeng da) and now it is November 4th as I write this. It began with the minimuim required dose of 7 pills or 4.55 Grams (According to bottle). I've only ever taken headshop kratom because that is all I ever knew.(I used between Experience and OPMS Silver) My habit for the past couple of months have been roughly 30 Grams day. I was given this week off to quit and it's already Wednesday and I just dosed an hour ago. I was going to quit and began Saturday and have this whole week to kick withdrawals but stupid me, it is wednesday and I just dosed my last dose of about 6 Grams. I didn't do any taper, basically I took

Saturday - Holloween day - Roughly between 35-40 Grams
Sunday - 30 Grams
Monday - 30 Grams
Tuesday - 24 Grams
Today - 6 Grams

So does anyone know if i completely stopped today, will I feel normal by next Monday when I have to get back to work?

I have some Zolpidem but I was an idiot and took 7 out of 30 pills already because everytime I thought I was gonig to quit Kratom, i took it the night before to help sleep but ended up buying more. Now today I am making it clear I want to stop and use the ambien for sleep only. I also have immodium. I guess I know how withdrawals will feel like the first day but I have't gotten as far as day 2 or Day 3 and wondering if someone could chime in when it will feel better and if by Next Monday (5 days away) I will feel normal enough to get back to my 8 Am - 5 pm Cubicle Job that I really despise. Thank you.

PS(Sorry if I posted in wrong section, I am still newbie.)
 
Kratom is still not as studied as a lot of other drugs, and so a lot of the information we have is subjective... but in my experiences, Kratom has a slight but noticeable physical w/d but, in my opinion, is more than anything about what kind of person you are mentally... and how deep your addiction has a hold on you. Honestly, you could probably get back to work by Monday but it won't be pleasant by any means, nor will it be as bad as you have probably built it up to be (no condescension, I know exactly how it is) Generally, day 4 should show a bit of improvement, with Kratom having such a short half life it will take about 3-4 days at least but after that point it will be mental withdrawal which I think is just as difficult. I'm always prepared to ride out the sickness... I'm neverrr prepared to live life without opioids and just have energy from nothing, yet I know this is a false mindset and I am a prisoner of my own perception.

The ambien should definitely help if things get unbearable, but be doubly careful there as you don't want rebound insomnia. Also, while I am in the minority here, I would say be wary as fuck about loperamide/immodium. Some people swear by it, I just think it's best for emergency situations... I am much more sensitive to everything when coming down and I feel immodium fucks with our pressure and flow systems in a massive way... but I have to reiterate this is my opinion. You can probably make it by Monday... but it won't be pleasant and depending on how physical or mental your addiction is, you will have PAWS to contend with for a while but PAWS is only effective as you let it be. Stock the gatorade, see if you can't get some boosts/ensures... keep some ginger or promethazine on hand and ride it out with some nice, special place in your heart type music or television shows... it will suck but I believe you can pull through by Monday, yes. You may need to hit up the restroom a bit more than usual, but I honestly think if you are ready that you can pull it off!!!

Some physicians have argued that kratom w/d is entirely mental. Personally, I disagree with that but if that information helps you stay strong in some way, well there it is... best of luck! Keep us posted!
 
Read through the last few pages of my thread here. Recently kicked a dosage higher than yours and after 4 days the physical symptoms were mostly gone. Energy and mental mindset will require hard work and dedication on your part
 
I'm on day six of a three year/30 some grams a day kick and at the moment I feel almost normal but I have come to find that opiate withdrawal of any kind comes in waves. For example I felt pretty damn decent last night but woke up feeling like shit this morning and the symptoms are slowing starting to fade. Mornings are the worst for me, waking up 4 hours before you need to. Back on topic the one time I kicked kratom I believe it took about 10 days for the acute phase to be over.
 
Kratom wihtdrawal Help needed PArt 2

Thanks for the insight evryone and your experiences guys. I will browse thorugh more becarefully for the posted links.
Howwever I did mes up pretty bad. Well. 1 Messed. and 2 I messed up.

After i mentioned taking very little dose like moday Monring. I decided if most liekly get through the physical from 4-5 days, Maybe just maybe so I Became a corward - one thast ereryone hates. and well I overdaffted and got another bottle of kratom and take it all in one shot. What is suprising ot me is how much AMbine / Xanax was wasted trying to help with wihtdrawal, Last night I take .5 Xanax to sleep but woke up at 1:25 AM kickiing legs and it was soo annoying so I popped 3 AMbiens. I went ona nd off of sleep and nothing muh happened. It was bearablable but my system was too weeak. It's Thursday now and I woke up decengtly, nO RSS only chills and uncomfortably *So Take .25 Xanax). SLeeping under my blankets is to hot, sleeping n the outside was too coldl I was tossing and turning so i decided to get up and Popped 2 ambiens and went back to selep.

When I woke u0p, I looked in my medicine cabinet and I was missing 2 Xanax and some AMbien. I think being in the drunkin state iI was in, I migt as lost a few ot taking them.


I am also scared Monday will not be enough time esecially how could i be so stupid? I00% have no choice but to stop taking and hope i can amteast 80% by Monday..
Any other words of widsom, or wish to chime would he greatly appreciate it. Thank you/
I am desprate to maket his a sucess. Please.









(PS my grmmor and what not is suaully not this bad
 
You're only human, man. Life just loses it's luster when you first get off opioids... I hear you on the sedatives, though. Shocking how even the best benzos and sleep aids do jack shit for the process. Bananas will help with the leg twitching tossing and turning shit to some extent. Otherwise just try to stay hydrated. I believe it won't be a pleasant one, but you can make it through Monday if you continue to abstain now.

It's probably shit advice, but I have also found that whenever I have kicked, I try to look at the more immediate future instead of "I WILL NEVER TOUCH ANOTHER OPIATE/OPIOID FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE". Sometimes that puts more pressure on us than necessary. If quitting goes well, one doesn't have to think about abstaining every day. It just comes naturally. Having said that, everyone is different but I am pulling for you man... please keep us updated. Also, I do not know what your preferred OTC is, but I found Aleve to be very helpful through my detoxes. At least, when Tylenol isn't cutting it. Ibuprofen seems a bit too rough on a w/d belly.
 
Don't sweat it. Before I kicked the kratom I had tried a weak before and ended up going right back on it after 24 hours because sleep was impossible and terribly uncomfortable. That too hot under and too cold over the sheets I know all too well!! Just keep telling yourself it will get better. Take one hour at a time. Just one hour. After each hour congratulate yourself. When the cold sweats and chills get to be too much take a super hot long shower. Repeat as often as you need. I have a hot tub which was a blessing so if you have a gym or access to one they helped the body relax immensely.
 
I have to agree with whataboutringo....saying "no, never again to opiates" is way to absolute. Just go day by day, hour by hour. If you feel like using say "Ill wait an hour and see what happens" then when that hour is up "ill see what happens after another hour" basically its how to beat cravings. You are also going to need a support network of people to rely on. People you can call when you are feeling week to help bolster your strength and resolve.
 
Thanks for the replies and insight on your own experiences but I must say I messed up again

To update:

I was feeling miserable yesterday - Thursday, I took .5 MG xanax and popped 3 AMbien. I don't remember much except borrowing money from my dad and driving out, I woke up to a bottle of kratom with 2 capsules left. I took a look in my car and the middle compartment was popped open and all my change was gone and there was also 1 kratom capsule on the floor.

Thank God no one got hurt. Today I didn't feel too miserable, i actually popped those 3 pills so theoretically this whole week I took off, I didn't accomplish anything but lose out on wages. I think I will not buy anymore tonight and see if I can manage jumping off of the 1.5 MG i took today
I actually got paid today for last weeks work so it is very tempting to get more

PS: I feel like everytime I take Ambien - the withdrawals come in but always a few hours later then the normal, like if i take my last dose of kratom at 7 PM, i'll still wake up at 4 AM and twitching legs and chills, but if I take an Ambien the night before, I'll be good until I get into work at 8 AM and take my kratom in the office. (I work in cubicles and i've dosed countless times at my desk and no one even notices - I actually mentioned i only buy from headshops so the way i take my kratom is open capsule by capsule and pour it into a water bottle, it's actually pretty funny the people sitting next to me don't say anything because i can smell the kratom as soon as i open the capsule)
 
Honestly - it sounds like your Ambien abuse isn't helping matters and you would be better off without it. As long as you have various substances around the house that tempt you to lessen withdrawal symptoms you will take them because you are desperate.
During previous attempts at getting clean I would chug down cough syrup to get enough DXM to help mellow out a bit. Never helped in the long run.

I also can't believe you buy from head shops. I have done that a couple times while traveling for business but it's so expensive. I was paying 400-600/month from a bulk capsule supplier it would easily be triple that for head shop.

I think you need to take a step back and reasses your seriousness about getting clean and take whatever steps are necessary before jumping off to ensure you can't/ won't buy more. For me it was telling my wife about my addiction and that ensured I couldn't get any more delivered and she kept a very close eye on me.
 
I am not in any way discounting your discomfort-but why are you taking three time the recommended dose of Ambien? This isn't going to make the withdrawals any easier.
 
KratomDemon said:
Honestly - it sounds like your Ambien abuse isn't helping matters and you would be better off without it. As long as you have various substances around the house that tempt you to lessen withdrawal symptoms you will take them because you are desperate.
During previous attempts at getting clean I would chug down cough syrup to get enough DXM to help mellow out a bit. Never helped in the long run.

I also can't believe you buy from head shops. I have done that a couple times while traveling for business but it's so expensive. I was paying 400-600/month from a bulk capsule supplier it would easily be triple that for head shop.

I think you need to take a step back and reasses your seriousness about getting clean and take whatever steps are necessary before jumping off to ensure you can't/ won't buy more. For me it was telling my wife about my addiction and that ensured I couldn't get any more delivered and she kept a very close eye on me.
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You are very knowledgeable my friend.



I actually must apologize to everyone here at this site. I just came back from purchasing a bottle of 30 Grams of Kratom (Capsule form). I just took half. I think I will do a real taper this time and try it that way. I understand I am paying a ton for kratom from the headshops, It was almost as bad when I had my heroin habit I was borrowing money and paying it back after i got my paycheck, this time my money actually evens out after purchasing kratom and paying for rent and bills. Stupid I know.

Well, again i apologize for wasting everyones time and lying to yall and myself about quitting.I will do a long long taper and after my dose gets to less than 5 Grams/daily then I think I will hop off on a weekend. This is the 2nd time I took a full week off in 2 months to quit but ended up using everyday. I feel like quitting kratom is almost as hard as heroin.

And for the ambien .. I was just trying to numb the pain and hopefully can black out without feeling any pain.. i didn't actually plan on getting more kratom until after i digested the 3 ambiens. I was feeling alright when I left the house, but on the way back, man I don't know how i managed to back my car into my driveway spot. Very stupid and I recommend no one take Ambien during the daytime (Was around 1 PM also).

Yall are great people here though, I've lurked here and there while doing google searches and this site is definitely the most responsive and helpful, I think most of yall would make great friends in real life. Thanks for taking the time to reply to my stuff everyone. I will try and keep an update in the future as I attempt to lower my dosage.

Thank you all again.
 
No need to apologize to us - I've failed countless attempts at getting off kratom. It's hard, really hard and that is why you need to cover all your bases and be completely serious about quitting. Any doubts and your mind will win out and you will use because it's easier than withdrawals.

I know withdrawals suck more than hell itself and the pain, anxiety and depression seems crushing and endless at times but remind yourself of this. You won't die from it. You will be very uncomfortable but take comfort in that once they subside YOU have the choice of whether you ever have to go through it again based on whether you stay clean.

Take the power back from the kratom. Get pissed at it when you start feeling terrible during withdrawals and remind yourself constantly that this substance did this to you and no longer has a place in your life.
 
FlawedByeDesign said:
I'm on day six of a three year/30 some grams a day kick and at the moment I feel almost normal but I have come to find that opiate withdrawal of any kind comes in waves. For example I felt pretty damn decent last night but woke up feeling like shit this morning and the symptoms are slowing starting to fade. Mornings are the worst for me, waking up 4 hours before you need to. Back on topic the one time I kicked kratom I believe it took about 10 days for the acute phase to be over.
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Holy shit! How do you afford that? That's an expensive habit to support
 
Firstly, you don't owe anyone an apology... my time isn't worth a damn and that doesn't change whether you are clean or not.

Secondly, it's not widely known but ambien IS indeed very closely related, like cousins or some shit, with roofies. I don't want to quote myself 100% on this but I believe from what I read, that they are super related. I personally enjoy the odd ambien, but I have blacked out and had weird experiences on it. Probably not the best state of mind for you to be in atm. I am on day 10 right now, 7 off subs, 3 off of kratom, and I am miserable all day but deep in my soul I know the Piper is taking sympathy on me. I don't want to give anyone the same weird mental justifications I have for using- but with this next taper, whenever you do it... in the meantime, try to combine what kratom you have left with getting a bit more fit, and more than anything finding new activities and digging up shit you have forgotten from your childhood, reconnect with old friends, get back into music from your teen years, get out there and try and do shit. It's much easier to do it pre-detox than during. Your mind will be more at ease, too. Trust me. I have seen the most hardline, strong willed people kick opiates and half the time it is not about how much physical and mental pain they can take... it's about not having things in place to replace the drugs. It's easy to have years go by not even realizing the shit we are numbing ourselves to. And I am not preaching brother, just coming from a place of love... I lost my mother in 09, and my father in 2013, both brutal incidents and I don't think I ever properly dealt with it. I have pushed almost everyone away and spent the last months or years getting high, playing old RPG's and shit from my youth, being a shut-in, anti social, anxiety riddled, withdrawal dreading shell of a man. And I'm only 25! I believe that when we quit using, a lot of us are faced with all of the problems we used in the first place to fight against. I can not speak for you, but something tells me maybe you have some demons and whatnot you need to get right. Maybe the kratom is numbing deeper problems. Just my two cents, though I guess it's kind of obvious idk, maybe this helps give it some perspective to some people. All the best and please keep us updated. I think kicking opiates is hell and a half on the body, but it's even worse on the mind. You can do it, though, man!
 
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