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Hey Idiots, take Tryptophan/5-HTP

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I originally posted this in a post recovering from a lot of MDMA but now I realize that there is a chronic idiocy problem in how to deal with recovering from MDMA use in general. So read this and stop being dumb:



Expanding on the 5-HTP suggestion above. This is kind of basic stuff so apologies if you've already been down this road but:

You're obviously suffering a combo effect of the events, but it's likely you're seeing a multiplier between them. A negative emotional event like a breakup is dealt with cognitively (intellect) but also at a lower level via brain chemical function. People with healthy brain chemical function are able to bounce back, find the positives, and move on from bad events. Serotonin especially is important for this kind of emotional wellbeing. MDMA usage causes up-regulation of Serotonin receptors, and those tend to be resilient and slow to re-adapt. Further complicating the Serotonin situation is how difficult it is for the brain to keep a steady supply of it.

The only way your body has of producing Serotonin is via Tryptophan, an essential amino acid, which is converted to 5-HTP before being transported over the BBB. As an essential amino acid, we cannot produce it and must get it from dietary sources. It is found in all sorts of foods we eat, especially proteins. MDMA (as with all other Serotonin releasers) depletes your Serotonin reserves and results in the well known depression and comedown associated with those drugs. You need to replace these reserves.

Generally speaking, 5-HTP has the hardest time getting past the BBB because the transport mechanism is shared with the other essential amino acids and it tends to get the lowest priority out of all of them. If you eat a food containing Tryptophan you'll also be getting a bunch of other amino acids at the same time, all competing for the same limited bandwidth. Even a normal diet will have a hard time maxing out the brain's ability to convert 5-HTP into Serotonin. If you have a shitty diet, focused more on carbohydrates and less on protein as many people do, then you're even worse off.

Nearly any given person can benefit from taking Tryptophan supplements due to the immense importance of Serotonin and the given that most people are at some level of deficiency. Tryptophan has shown to be as effective as SSRI's in treating depression, but that fact is generally suppressed by drug companies because SSRI's are one of the biggest moneymakers on the planet, and Tryptophan is a cheap over the counter supplement. The increased incidence of depression amongst modern humans can almost certainly be directly linked to changes in diet from pre-historic times which favored higher Tryptophan intake.

With regards to 5-HTP vs. Tryptophan, you're better off with the Tryptophan. 5-HTP is metabolized in the liver to Serotonin, which increases blood serum levels of Serotonin but does nothing good for your brain because it can't pass the BBB. A very small fraction of orally taken 5-HTP will end up in the brain. By taking Tryptophan you reduce the amount of 5-HTP being metabolized in the liver so more ultimately ends up in the brain.



TLDR version: buy Tryptophan supplements, take 1500mg (3 big ass pills) every night 15 minutes before bed. If you don't feel a noticeable difference within 5 days I will be shocked. It'll also help you sleep better (Serotonin converts into Melatonin when you have adequate supplies).

48 cents per day - http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-L-Tryptophan-500mg-Capsules/dp/B000GFSVS2


Magic. It's motherfucking miracles.
 
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None of this info comes as a surprise to me as I always thought 5-HTP was pretty useless. Upon doing a Google search I stumbled upon this interesting snippet of info that shows evidence that Tryptophan may increase the potency of MDMA.

The effects of the serotonin (5-HT) precursor L-tryptophan on MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine)-induced inhibition of dorsal raphe neuronal firing were characterized using extracellular single-unit recording and microdialysis techniques in the in vitro midbrain slice preparation. Pretreatment with L-tryptophan (100 microM) lowered the doses of MDMA required to inhibit unit activity. Based upon IC50 values, L-tryptophan increased the potency of MDMA by approximately 3-fold. In a parallel series of experiments, microdialysis probes resting on the brain slice surface provided a means to estimate 5-HT release from the dorsal raphe nucleus. Pretreatment with L-tryptophan increased MDMA-induced 5-HT release in a manner consistent with the suppression of dorsal raphe cell firing: compared to untreated preparations, peak 5-HT release, total release and the duration of release were all increased. Taken together, these data suggest that the enhancement by L-tryptophan of MDMA-induced 5-HT release and inhibition of dorsal raphe neuronal firing is due to an increase in the amount of 5-HT available for release. The question is raised as to what effect L-tryptophan may have on the psychotropic and neurotoxic actions of MDMA.

http://www.mdma.net/aspirin/phs.html
 
^ Interesting.. Finding it hard to believe though? "L-tryptophan increased the potency of MDMA by approximately 3-fold..".. i've eaten a few bananas before MDMA and never noticed an increase in potency.. let alone 3 fold.
 
^ Interesting.. Finding it hard to believe though? "L-tryptophan increased the potency of MDMA by approximately 3-fold..".. i've eaten a few bananas before MDMA and never noticed an increase in potency.. let alone 3 fold.
I guess you didn't make a midbrain slice of your dorsal raphe nuclei then, or did you? ;)

It's not that hard to grasp that scientists are not going to measure potency in the sense of 'OMG this fucking rat is tripping ballllls!', but with something they can actually measure comparably, right? Then again...if you take twice the dose of MDMA, you're not feeling twice as happy either, since the dose/response curve is not a straight line, but is sigmoidal by nature.

BTW, I wouldn't blindly trust a post by a new user that contains a link where they sell the product mentioned in said post.
5-HTP can readily cross the BBB, utilizing a different transporter than tryptophan and the other amino-acids.
So you can raise some questions what will actually lead to more serotonin in the brain, taking 5-HTP or tryptophan.
I would definitely go for tryptophan if you plan on using it for a long time, because of the side-effects with 5-HTP converted in the liver.
But just to recover from an MDMA binge, 5-HTP in my experience and opinion is just as effective.
 
There is no straight answer.
BTW, neither of those has anything to do with tolerance...

Why make it more complicated then it really is?
Just take both if you can't find out which one is better...problem solved! :)
 
I really wish I could just get a straight answer as to whether tryptophan or 5-htp is better for the comedown/tolerance.

Moderation is the best think for a tolerance and comedown. Theres no miracle suppliment that allows you to not gain a tolerance and have no comedown. Take nice long breaks in between rolling and you wont have to worry about tolerance. And if you need something for the comedown take a benzo.
 
^ Interesting.. Finding it hard to believe though? "L-tryptophan increased the potency of MDMA by approximately 3-fold..".. i've eaten a few bananas before MDMA and never noticed an increase in potency.. let alone 3 fold.
Banana's in the amount of 100g have about 10mg of tryptophan so I don't think it would actually do anything at that level. Anyways, take what was said in this thread with a grain of salt until further evidence come to light.
 
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