Heroin,

[italyouth]

I'm just following on from the previous heroin post as i couldn't seem to reply???
Anyway I'm from the UK,and as an experienced Heroin user I just wanna put my point across:
In reply to the guy who's weary of trying Heroin incase he gets addicted,
You can take heroin daily from 1week to 3months everday and maybe not get a habit,
The usual amount of time it takes to get a habit (from experience)is about 2weeks-3months.
I just wanna explain why this varies so much:
Heroin has a half life of only 7hrs,so basically after 7hrs the heroin levels in your body start to drop,for addicts this means they become ill usually after 7hrs,up to 14hrs.Most addicts don't realize heroin has a half life of 7hrs,(don't tell them!!!or they will panic!!)Most just go as long as they can without a hit,unless they can afford it of course!
So the point is,you can use everyday for 1month for example,using just once a day(thats one session),and you will probably not become an addict.But you could use everyday for a month having a hit of heroin every 7-14hrs and become addicted after that month.
Hope u can understand what i'm sayin!
So the idea is to leave enough time for your opiate receptors to clear,which is 7-14hrs,then your body will have less chance of becomming dependant upon the heroin.
What causes the addiction is the constant saturation of the brains opiate receptors,and for people using daily,there brain doesn't get much chance to become free of these opiates so as a result your body starts to shut off it's own natural painkiller,which is almost chemically identical to opiates.
So as a result when you stop using heroin or when after 7-14hrs its effects are all gone,you start to feel ill,as your body is producing no natural pain killer.Causing "cold turkey"+believe me this is not something you wanna experience!
I was always curious as to how a cold turkey would feel? I used to watch friends withdrawing and explaining how ill they where(b4 i got addicted)and i was always curious and just though that i could put up with it!!
I was the last of my friends to get addicted,I hated it at first,because i watched what it did to all my friends.
Yet I was really depressed this one day,I was 16yrs old,i got busted by the police in my new flat,got charged with supply+allsorts+it scared me,the same day i was burgled+thrown out of my place! so i accepted the daily offer of heroin from my mates which i'd always refused till now!
It's true it sometimes makes u be physically sick,you spew up,but it's enjoyable!!it's not sick like being ill,it's a warm mild feeling,you just have a glow all over your body(over here we describe it as the "ready brek"glow from an old advert)and u feel great,I mean great,all your problems dissolve into the air+you feel like your back in the womb! This over here is known as "Gouching" it's when you go on the nod,when all your bodys muscles relax and your head drops,your face muscles relax causing your mouth to give a sad smile!!! it's pure paradise for the first few months or years maybe.
This is the problem,You can take heroin without getting addicted for the rest of your life and enjoy it,but it's being strong enough to do it!
Believe me the strongest of people out there aren't strong enough to resist.Maybe they can control it for a month a year or two maybe three,but eventually it becomes a daily thing,it's to nice to refuse.
The problem is,in the begining you may only need 2-3 lines on the foil and you'll be gouching all night in paradise! and that really cheap,who can refuse a holiday to paradise for £2:00 per day($3:00-$4:00) so thats how it starts,
"Oh,I can afford it £10 for the whole week!"
As the weeks go by you need to take more +more to feel the same,and heroin is a drug which you will always become tolerate to,so the price goes up and up till your spending £100 per day($175) just to feel normal,
All the longtime addicts,I'm talkin 5-6yrs or more,can't get high of heroin anymore!like me!
you just need it to feel normal!
Believe me,I stared out like lots of u guys,I came from a good home,brought up well,lots of friends etc. but i though i'd be stronger than heroin! +it got the better of me.
I'm 25 now,i became a heroin addict when i was 16yrs old,I've done 20 inpatient detoxes in hospital,and i've been seriously tryin to become drug free for 7-8yrs now.I'ts destroyed my life,although I've had plenty of fun!+i haven't been to prison yet,unlike all my friends.
Most of my childhood friens became addicted and lots have died!,I know hundreds of heroin addicts and out of them all i can pick out about 2 which have sucsessfully stayed clean!(up till now that is)
I've nothing against Heroin(diamorphine),the drug itself in its pure form is from the poppy,it's natural,and it's a proven fact that pure diamorphine causes no physical health problems even if on it for life,except for maybe constipation!!
This is the huge misconception about the drug,It's not the drug thats bad it's the law surrounding it! causing it to be underground+black market,this gives you cut/bashed/mixed heroin which causes the health problems.
But the main problem with heroin is the PRICE,this is what causes the suffering and the pain.If it where available in a controlled manner from your doctor there would be no problem.
And thats a fact...
People need to be educated about this,
I don't promote the drug at all,obviously drug addiction is a terrible thing,but please lets identify whats the problem about it:eg,The law+restrictions placed upon opiates,
An example is alcohol,lets just say instead of alcohol heroin was discovered first and became popular like alcohol,and society progressed,then alcohol came along in place of heroin,discovered at a later date,a drug which people where not familiar with,the same thing wouild happen and alcohol would be underground and cost a fortune instead of heroin.
Yet Alcohol is a lot more risk to your health,it's a poison,yet it came first so it's accepted!!!Crazy hey....
Anyway,I hope i've educated u a bit,everyword is true,I've been studying cause and effects of Heroin for a long time,and I'd say i'm an expert on the subject...
So any questions???
[email protected]
Pete,UK
PS,
So all you out there thinking of trying out heroin,get the facts first,but you'd honestly be best keepin away,why bother putting yourself in a positon where this could happen?
If u do,be safe+educate yourself,
But once you get hooked your own body will lye to you!!honest,your brain will come up with excuses for taking it again and again,without you even realizing,until it's to late.......
Take care,
PPS
I'm gonna write a book one day!!
PPPS
As for conversion rates with morphine, 40mg of morphine is equivelant to 10mg of methadone (1ml=10ml linctus)
As for diamorphine conversions,this varies from contry to country,over here it's up to 80-90% pure averaging at about 50-60%pure,which is a hell of a lot stronger than the USA!!!so I here,???I here its cut to death over there???is it?

 

[@ndy]

cool, too tired to read your whole post right now, I will go back and read it. But I think the thing most people are scared of is taking that first hit of heroin, and immediately falling in too much love with it. Not so much the physical aspect, but more so the pyschological.

 

[rahulkohli]

completely agree about the alcohol bit.

 

[SovietContin]

So the point is,you can use everyday for 1month for example,using just once a day(thats one session),and you will probably not become an addict.But you could use everyday for a month having a hit of heroin every 7-14hrs and become addicted after that month.
I know a lot of people including myself who got addicted but were using it more like once every 24 hours (or maybe 2-3 shots, but within 2 hours of the first shot), who got hooked.
What gets you hooked is that you like it, you become psychologically dependant, you start shooting more frequently and after a while your doses and usage starts jumping more and more as you develop a tolerance, next thing you know you've got a physical addiction.
The psychological aspects are what to look out for, not timing how many hours between shots.

What causes the addiction is the constant saturation of the brains opiate receptors,and for people using daily,there brain doesn't get much chance to become free of these opiates so as a result your body starts to shut off it's own natural painkiller,which is almost chemically identical to opiates.
Which really sucks because everything REALLY hurts when you go through withdrawal which is why a lot of people become irrational and will do very desperate and pathetic things in order to get their next fix.
I tried getting off heroin this past time last month by weening with oxycodone. Only this time I didn't ever get off the oxycodone. I've been going through some bad withdrawals the past few days. They have some uniqueness compared to heroin withdrawals, but the one thing that remains the same is PAIN.

The problem is,in the begining you may only need 2-3 lines on the foil and you'll be gouching all night in paradise!
You need to come to America. Try 2-3 bumps instead of 2-3 lines to get to paradise.

As the weeks go by you need to take more +more to feel the same,and heroin is a drug which you will always become tolerate to,so the price goes up and up till your spending £100 per day($175) just to feel normal,
All the longtime addicts,I'm talkin 5-6yrs or more,can't get high of heroin anymore!like me!
you just need it to feel normal!
I've only been shooting for 7 months and I can still get high, but it's completely changed and my tolerance is unbelievable. It takes huge doses to get a rush. And I used to be really high after the rush. Now I'm either taking a maintenance dose, more or less, or I take enough to just pass out. I can't get to that nice place inbetween anymore. Even when I stop for a few days.

I've nothing against Heroin(diamorphine),the drug itself in its pure form is from the poppy,it's natural,and it's a proven fact that pure diamorphine causes no physical health problems even if on it for life,except for maybe constipation!!
This is bullshit, really. While the heroin itself may not cause damage, but you're going to end up with problems. If you're shooting it, you can be as careful and sterile as can be, but after a while you're going to start to fuck up your veins. You're going to become depressed when you're use becomes long term. Your behavior changes. Etc. Unless you can avoid physical addiction, you will suffer damage as a result of using heroin.

Yet Alcohol is a lot more risk to your health,it's a poison,yet it came first so it's accepted!!!Crazy hey....
Yeah, well there aren't a lot of people stealing to support their alcohol addictions, even if they're consuming it by the $50 bottle of imported Vodka.

As for diamorphine conversions,this varies from contry to country,over here it's up to 80-90% pure averaging at about 50-60%pure,which is a hell of a lot stronger than the USA!!!so I here,???I here its cut to death over there???is it?
It mostly depends on the area you're coming from here in the US. Like I mentioned earlier, you were talking about lines. I've seen people take bumps the size of small bread crumbs who've ended up puking their guts out for hours because it was too strong.

 

[italyouth]

Yeah,Yeah,
You have some valid points,But:
You quoted me talkin about the heroin doin no damage to u whatsoever in the longterm,but you mentioned how your veins would surely fuck up!
Well yes,if your gonna inject IV everyday,your veins will collapse a few times,come back(maybe!)then they go 4 good!,(like mine!)
But,the main causes of this is the shite(bash)which is cut with the heroin,and your injecting techniques,
Obviously if your gonna stick needles in your arm everyday for the rest of your life your gonna get problems,your veins will collapse,but I'm sayin that thats nothing to do(directly)with the heroin,
Maybe indirectly yeah,cause your injectin yourself daily,but i'm sayin that the physical drug heroin causes no direct physical harm.Obviously addiction is a terrible thing,and you should avoid heroin for this reason,+the chance of overdose with inexperienced users!,
But u can smoke it!???
Yeah you'll probably end up with a fucked up chest etc.
but u would smokin anything!!!
I can see where the majorities view point comes from,but the key is education+I will+can stand up to anything i say,as I know it's true +can explain exactly why!
Heroin shouldn't be encouraged,not at all but,the facts should be given,and people should stop blaming the drug itself(apart from the addiction part)as the problems occur with supply+restriction+purity etc.
Thanks,Pete,UK
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[fairnymph]

I just want to add a few things...
~It is possible to be an addict and not do any damage to your veins...I personally know people in this category.
~Not everyone like heroin. I tried it once and hated it; in fact I hate it so much that the next time I was in pain (severe menstrual cramps) I even refused to take my codeine because I coudn't stand the thought of more opiates -- BLECH! I don't get any 'euphoria', I don't really understand why so many people like it, then again I don't like weed much either and most people seem to like that...guess I'm just weird.

 

[hurting__tom]

italyouth....great post i dont know much about h but i do now...everyone who does h should read ur post