Heroin VS fentanyl withdrawal

[lofidelity]

Hello all. I've attempted to dig for some of this info but am looking for some first hand accounts.

I'm an on and off IV fentanyl and crak/ IV cocaine addict. Some periods have been worse than others but I've largely remained a functioning contributing member of society.

I was born in the 90's and first used "dope/boy" around 2013. I believe this was already well into the fentanyl era but I suspect that it hadn't quite driven out all the real heroin. I think we were getting real heroin cut with fentanyl.

Fast forward to now. The quality of street dope, even with longtime established dealers, is abysmal. Everything is fentanyl. The one time in. My life I found real heroin, it was BTH. Got excited and spent all my dope money on it. Got me euphoric and high as a kite but 6 hours or so from my last dose of fent, started getting sick, even with the heroin. So had to go find more fentanyl too.

I'm clean now and as I've gotten older have lost the drive for the crack or IV Coke CHASE which imo was an even more vicious and time consuming habit than is an opiate addiction.

I now have access locally to real china white heroin that tests fent free. Real junk seems to be making a resurgence.

Since I never was legitimately a heroin addict and am of the new age fenty era. My question is, how does a fentanyl withdrawal differ from a heroin withdrawal. And how long can I go between IV dosing real CW heroin if addicted. With the fenty we needed to be constanly on the move thinking about our next hit after taking our last one. I could go about 6 hours before starting to get decently I'll. Due to a hospital visit, I once went about 14 hours and was VIOLENTLY ill. If you sleep well all the way thru the night, you wake up decently sick and better have some close by.

I'VE detoxed roughly 7 or 8 times and oddly enough the detox seems to be wildly different each time, regardless of how strong my habit is. I remember getting restless. Legs and abs and headaches and the sensitivity to noise back in the day. With the fenty I'll just get super violently Ill in all ways imaginable, or have flu like symptoms and diarrhea at the very least. Though each detox has had different feels and symptoms. I assume cause it was never actually the same chemical I was using.

Went on a bit of a ramble there but my questions are these. How does a fentanyl withdrawal compare to a normal a heroin withdrawal. And how long can IV heroin addicts go between dosing. How long would you prefer? And the how long until you start actually getting sick?

Thanks ahead of time, any insight appreciated.

 

[Robi]

I never got deep into heroin,but Fent I knew all to well,so I can't answer your questions.Regardless,I must say ,please don't do that shit,you have put yourself through enough time and time agian ,you're not getting any younger,deep and profound I know.You are lucky to be alive ,don't push it,you will be sick and chasing no matter what.

Don't go back!!!

 

[daturetard]

Hey man, just to let you know, "fent free" doesn't mean clean or uncut. Look into nitazenes and other opioid research chemicals that can go into heroin.

 

[chippermonk]

Never trust that it's truly heroin and not fetty these days without testing it.
But also, even if you do get true heroin, you can never know when your source will dry up these days. Then, if you have gotten a habit to the H , you're going to be scrambling around for fetty, or nitazines, xylazine or whatever you can get to fill the void. Hell, there are stories about fetty being cut with fucking plastic stuff that tastes like bugspray. People end up settling for anything to keep from getting sick, IMHO
Personally, I think having a heroin habit inevitably means ending up being on fetty ( or worse) these days

 

[lofidelity]

Thank you all for the urge to be hesitant. It is tested to be about 60% pure heroin with no active cuts. This I am confident of.


I'm going to chip at it at the very least as I'm financially stable and just got out of a relationship so don't have that to answer to. Also no kids and run my own business. I will try to avoid getting addicted. And will shoot for just being a weekend warrior.

Old heads used to tell me that they could do one shot and be good pretty much all day. Is there truth to that?

 

[paranoid android]

I have never done heroin but i have been addicted to morphine, dilaudid and also fent. Heroin is just stronger morphine really. One shot of morphine will not fix you for the day if your habit is bad no way. There was a point i was banging that shit every 4-6 hours

 

[lofidelity]

That sounds like just about where my fenty schedule was at. That's disappointing to hear as that's no improvement from fent.

If that's the case then I will certainly steer clear of regular use and addiction.

I have a decent amount of willpower now and have even said no to shit right in front of me so expect I'll have no problem being a weekend fighter.

I really appreciate the very well intended folks chiming in to warn me against it. But my mind is made up and I will not be dissuaded, so at the end of the day, just want to be well informed

 

[chippermonk]

That sounds like just about where my fenty schedule was at. That's disappointing to hear as that's no improvement from fent.

If that's the case then I will certainly steer clear of regular use and addiction.

I have a decent amount of willpower now and have even said no to shit right in front of me so expect I'll have no problem being a weekend fighter.

I really appreciate the very well intended folks chiming in to warn me against it. But my mind is made up and I will not be dissuaded, so at the end of the day, just want to be well informed

Well, I do believe that there are some people who can chip away on weekends. (I am, after all. "chippermonk"...)
But you did say that you have detoxed 7 or 8 times so forgive me if I'm worried for you. But good luck, stay in touch and let us know how you are doing, contribute to the community with your experiences

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

I have never done heroin but i have been addicted to morphine, dilaudid and also fent. Heroin is just stronger morphine really. One shot of morphine will not fix you for the day if your habit is bad no way. There was a point i was banging that shit every 4-6 hours

Every 4-6 hours is what I think of when I think of dosing regimens for drugs like morphine or hydrocodone or oxycodone (probably is the same for the morphones too I imagine,) but I don't see that as a "bad habit" per se... Just a habit like any other... Now, if you're running through multiple grams a day... that's another story, but 100mg a day habit or something isn't really outrageous... Just not going to be easy to quit for most people.

I'm a bit odd and have been "addicted" to opiates and just quit them when I so please...
I control my use very well...
I literally remember trying to get addicted to opium just to see what it felt like, did it then quit just to know what it was like at one point lmao
Tried heroin IV and didn't see the big deal... Did 100mg over the course of a day as a fucking child man... Just made me itchy and a bit sedated, but mind you I regularly used opiates back then too, so I knew what to expect and I spaced my doses out a lot too... Meh...

Idk man... everyone's different... Opiates are great for pain, but I don't get the whole "being an addict" thing... get me?

 

[lofidelity]

Every 4-6 hours is what I think of when I think of dosing regimens for drugs like morphine or hydrocodone or oxycodone (probably is the same for the morphones too I imagine,) but I don't see that as a "bad habit" per se... Just a habit like any other... Now, if you're running through multiple grams a day... that's another story, but 100mg a day habit or something isn't really outrageous... Just not going to be easy to quit for most people.

I'm a bit odd and have been "addicted" to opiates and just quit them when I so please...
I control my use very well...
I literally remember trying to get addicted to opium just to see what it felt like, did it then quit just to know what it was like at one point lmao
Tried heroin IV and didn't see the big deal... Did 100mg over the course of a day as a fucking child man... Just made me itchy and a bit sedated, but mind you I regularly used opiates back then too, so I knew what to expect and I spaced my doses out a lot too... Meh...

Idk man... everyone's different... Opiates are great for pain, but I don't get the whole "being an addict" thing... get me?

I feel ya on that. I tend to think for me that it was a combination of filling idle time, bad company and playing with fire and getting burned. I've detoxed the 7 or 8 times not because I'm forced or facing family backlash or legal issues, but also just because I was over it. With the fentanyl these days you don't ever really get high, just a nice rush right when you do it then maybe a bit of sleepiness if you do enough to be past the point of just feeling well.

With heroin, for me, it's truly euphoric and a great way to relax or unwind and you actually get nice and high when you Iv but less of a rush than fenty

 

[Nas47]

like a longitude-the same.like paws-H is much longer,cause really hit the reward system...fent is more for severe pain...not very pleasurable,skyrocketing tollerance...coulld put in bigger problems..od's and so on...like intensivity-well fent is a much stronger,greater occupancy of mu receptor....full agonist...so u will be suffer harder through withdrawl

 

[speed43]

I was a heroin addict, never did bth though, only cw as I live on the east coast. Used methadone for 7 years, now off of methadone.
One time when I had been on methadone & doing no other drugs I got locked up for 3 days. When I got out I was hopelessly sick & the clinic said I had to wait till Thursday to come back (it was Monday). I got clean in 2016. Fetty hadn't infiltrated the supply here yet (although I'm sure it was around), so I had never had experience with it. It was 2018 when I got locked up & I knew fetty was in everything, but still got some so that I could feel better till I got back to the clinic.
I thought it was dog shit. It had absolutely no legs & it didn't make me feel as warm & fuzzy inside. I always described heroin as "the warmest ray of sunshine you could imagine washing over your body" when people asked. But I got none of that with this stuff. Sure it got me high, but for nowhere near as long & not as good a high either. With heroin I could do a 2 or 3 bag shot 2 times a day & be fine. This stuff didn't last even half as long.
When I got back to the clinic they gave me a UA. I told them I used. They told me my test was negative for opiates. I was confused so they requested the lab to have it retested for fentanyl & sure enough, I was positive. They added fentanyl to the list of things they test for after that (no idea why they weren't already).

So to answer your question, my personal experience lends to heroin having more legs & being far better. But that's just me. & I also know that at the time, as far as we know, there wasn't tranq or benzos in that fetty. There is now, so I'm sure the high is even more different.
Either way, maybe just don't do it. It's not going to lead anywhere pleasant in the long run. But you're gonna do what you want. Just be safe & take it slow. Best of luck.

 

[xyz69]

Hi
Mmm... Well, all day maybe they meant 12 hours, the waking day, because then even with the best heroin you go into abstinence.
And I assure you from personal experience that if you do a lot of it a day after 4-6 hours you are on the ground.
And I don't know why, but every abstinence has always been worse than the previous one, regardless of the time of use and the amount
Bye

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

Hi
Mmm... Well, all day maybe they meant 12 hours, the waking day, because then even with the best heroin you go into abstinence.
And I assure you from personal experience that if you do a lot of it a day after 4-6 hours you are on the ground.
And I don't know why, but every abstinence has always been worse than the previous one, regardless of the time of use and the amount
Bye

Neuroscience tells us that this is because the receptors never fully restore to their former balance in the body, so each time you form a habit (regardless of how bad) the abstinence is going to be worse because your nervous system never goes back to before. Its a compounding effect; at least that is what we think as of now about what you have described. Not everyone is the same though, and some are more resilient than others of course. This is just a generalization.

 

[Halif2]

And I don't know why, but every abstinence has always been worse than the previous one, regardless of the time of use and the amount

Yeah, I feel that.

this is because the receptors never fully restore to their former balance in the body

And this is why I now feel like I will never be able to go opiate free again. The last couple of times I detoxed I truly it gave it everything I had and summoned all the willpower, prayed to anything that might hear, and forced myself to get to the end. It was such a difficult experience and while I did get through the acute phase, I only lasted about 10 days before relapsing. It was more than I was physically and mentally capable of.

I just don't think I can ever be non-dependent again.

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

Yeah, I feel that.



And this is why I now feel like I will never be able to go opiate free again. The last couple of times I detoxed I truly it gave it everything I had and summoned all the willpower, prayed to anything that might hear, and forced myself to get to the end. It was such a difficult experience and while I did get through the acute phase, I only lasted about 10 days before relapsing. It was more than I was physically and mentally capable of.

I just don't think I can ever be non-dependent again.

I am a huge advocate of psychedelic assisted treatment. The success rates are much higher than with just traditional methods, and there isn't even a requirement for abstinence with the models of treatment I favor most. The way addiction is handled is rapidly changing, but there is a lot of pushback by more conservative members of society who prefer the older models of addiction and treatment. But, definitely something to look into if you struggle in this way and you really want to get clean.

 

[nodgod]

Hello all. I've attempted to dig for some of this info but am looking for some first hand accounts.

I'm an on and off IV fentanyl and crak/ IV cocaine addict. Some periods have been worse than others but I've largely remained a functioning contributing member of society.

I was born in the 90's and first used "dope/boy" around 2013. I believe this was already well into the fentanyl era but I suspect that it hadn't quite driven out all the real heroin. I think we were getting real heroin cut with fentanyl.

Fast forward to now. The quality of street dope, even with longtime established dealers, is abysmal. Everything is fentanyl. The one time in. My life I found real heroin, it was BTH. Got excited and spent all my dope money on it. Got me euphoric and high as a kite but 6 hours or so from my last dose of fent, started getting sick, even with the heroin. So had to go find more fentanyl too.

I'm clean now and as I've gotten older have lost the drive for the crack or IV Coke CHASE which imo was an even more vicious and time consuming habit than is an opiate addiction.

I now have access locally to real china white heroin that tests fent free. Real junk seems to be making a resurgence.

Since I never was legitimately a heroin addict and am of the new age fenty era. My question is, how does a fentanyl withdrawal differ from a heroin withdrawal. And how long can I go between IV dosing real CW heroin if addicted. With the fenty we needed to be constanly on the move thinking about our next hit after taking our last one. I could go about 6 hours before starting to get decently I'll. Due to a hospital visit, I once went about 14 hours and was VIOLENTLY ill. If you sleep well all the way thru the night, you wake up decently sick and better have some close by.

I'VE detoxed roughly 7 or 8 times and oddly enough the detox seems to be wildly different each time, regardless of how strong my habit is. I remember getting restless. Legs and abs and headaches and the sensitivity to noise back in the day. With the fenty I'll just get super violently Ill in all ways imaginable, or have flu like symptoms and diarrhea at the very least. Though each detox has had different feels and symptoms. I assume cause it was never actually the same chemical I was using.

Went on a bit of a ramble there but my questions are these. How does a fentanyl withdrawal compare to a normal a heroin withdrawal. And how long can IV heroin addicts go between dosing. How long would you prefer? And the how long until you start actually getting sick?

Thanks ahead of time, any insight appreciated.

So I am currently “clean” from both substances, I use quotations there because I’m taking about a mg or 2 of bupe a day so I can’t bring myself to say I’m totally clean, however I’ve thankfully gotten off the fent carfent furanyl fent etc and also the heroin. I always preferred the real deal because of the thing you’re asking about. The withdrawal. Heroin withdrawal is rough don’t get me wrong. You’ll go through all the stereotypes, vomiting, diarrhea, cold sweats, chills, pain in your body, discomfort, nausea and all that good shit. But fentanyl is a different animal. If u can avoid it and still maintain yourself on real heroin then do it, because the withdrawals from fentanyl is changing the books about what drugs can kill you from detox. They used to say opiates can’t kill you from withdrawal. That’s no longer true for opioids (meaning synthetic opiates). The detox from fent is best described as an exorcism. You’re gonna shed weight and water drastically. You’ll become dangerously dehydrated which is what seems to cause the deaths associated with withdrawal. On top of all the things you’ll feel similar to heroin withdrawal, it’ll be 100 times more intense. Where heroin has you on the toilet shitting and throwing up (affectionately called showing up by my friends and I) fentanyl will have you doing that on the floor in your room. You won’t make it to the bathroom. The pain will be so excruciating that if a gun was available you would seriously consider it as a way out. The withdrawal symptoms also start within a couple hours 2-4 or 4-6 depending on how much and how frequently you’re using. Heroin always kept me well a solid 8-12 hours, or atleast a real 6-8. The difference is even in the throes of heroin addiction, when I would finally score, I would actually get high, be able to eat and sleep and function somewhat. Fentanyl doesn’t allow for that. You’re deathly I’ll until you score, then you’re unconscious if you’re lucky or just well enough to get out of bed. The high goes away when the addiction settles in. You start to live in a constant state of sickness and unconsciousness and it all starts over when u wake up. There is no benefit to fentanyl after that initial shot or snort or smoke where ur tolerance was getting out of hand on whatever other opiate or opioid you were using. Once your body gets used to fentanyl, or as used to it as you can considering what a poison it is, you don’t get that high anymore. You barely get well. But you certainly get sick, and there’s no going back to heroin once you get on fent. It just doesn’t work anymore. Nothing except fentanyl and it’s analogs will even be able to touch the sickness you now go through. So therefore I suggest testing all your shit like u say ur doing, and avoid anything with fentanyl in it at all costs, because that first high will trick you into thinking you can maintain with that substance, but trust me, you can’t. I’ve had bricks of the shit but was 120 pounds and couldn’t hold down a glass of water even after dosing myself. It’s poison, it’s not meant to be consumed I don’t care what anyone claims. The MICROgram amounts pharmaceutical companies synthesize is a far cry from buying grams or bags off the street. Stick to the brown bro. Or whatever goddamn color they decided to make it, so long as you’re dealing with real diacetylmorphine

 

[BadassMoFo]

^^^I'm 56 YO, taken every opiate made and the above description nails it^^^

Detoxing from any opiate sucks and the synthetics are the worst! If you were into needles, you're a full blow addict and will always return to using when the effects wear off so you may start again as a weekend warrior that will likely return to what is described above!

The cartels know that these synthetics make for better customers because your life will turn into a non stop search to not feel the withdrawals!

Do yourself a favor and forget about opiates. You've had your fun as a youngster now its time to put that behind you or your life will become unmanageable. Your headed down a one way road that you don't want to get to the end of so stop now before you get there!

Just an opinion from someone that has gone through it all! Be safe and good luck and I forgot, CANNABIS! The only drug that won't kill you that you can literally produce yourself and know exactly what you're consuming!

 

[Nas47]

agreed...but this not fits in ma place.....cannabis here is very often laced with synthetic canabinoids spray,laced with ketamine,laced with metamphetamine liquid(i guess base form)...so u never sure is this pure canabis or not....in other words cannabis is dead here....u can be sure only if u pick up from the ground something with ur bear hands......or to relly on pharma products

 

[chippermonk]

agreed...but this not fits in ma place.....cannabis here is very often laced with synthetic canabinoids spray,laced with ketamine,laced with metamphetamine liquid(i guess base form)...so u never sure is this pure canabis or not....in other words cannabis is dead here....u can be sure only if u pick up from the ground something with ur bear hands......or to relly on pharma products

Wow, that's really fucked up.Why is that? Is it because it's hard to get good quality cannabis in general where you live so dealers adulterate it? Cannabis is so good and common by itself here that it isn't necessary to add anything. Where do you live? I got the impression you were in Eastern Europe somewhere.
Many years ago when I was young, it was harder to get cannabis where I lived and they used to lace it with PCP sometimes.