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Heroin the *in* thing

Phreex--
I know the longter effects of H are similar to those of Oxy and Hydrocodone, and any othoer Opiate. What I have been trying to find out for a while is medicaly established longterm effects of Opiate use. For instance, there have been studies done with MDMA and I have read most of them. I know there are probably even more such studies on Opiates, I just wanted to see if people knew the findings before I kill some time on the research. What are the effects of someone popping 50 miligrams of hydrocode everyday for say 20 years for chronic pain? I am sure this has been studied.
 
Ok the GSX(H) seems nicer , but what will you do? You will drive the GSX faster and faster and faster till it crashes. That toyota(THC) it kinda shitty but you won't bother to race with it, therfore you will make it out of the toyota with no more expectations then before. If you usually drove a toyota and drove a GSX , then you would be spoiled , looking for that "extra rush" -ah whatever these comparisons are confusing me now
 
Search the web for "long term chronic pain management" or "narcotic therapy" - there are only a few risks that can come from long-term use of narcotics, to be fair, I will go over each..
1) Respiratory infections - narcotics depress your breathing, so you cycle less air through yer lungs, when you sleep, it's further depressed, as a reasult the stagnant air can cause bacterial problems - still, this is a minor risk and can easily be treated with medications..
2) The method of administration will cause damage - if you eat pain killers all day then you can cause damage to yer liver - the fix is to eat pain killers that don't have the bad shit like APAP in them.. of course smoking heroin isn't that great, nor is snorting - luckily IV injection can be made safe if you alternate sites to the point you're giving yer viens time to recover..
Anyone remember the Miami doctor who was busted - for almost 40 years he was taking several hundred mg's of morphine per day, then some pharmacist got him busted.. he didn't fight it but retired with his millions then wrote a number of articles on long-term opiate use, many were posted to the chronic pain forums at U-Mass.. he had some REALLY good info about how we really have NO IDEA what effects these SSRI drugs will have on us in 15 or 20 years, and that we are fucking with a delicate system... but opiates have a long track record of being safe - the only problem is that one must have a steady supply, which will never be kosher in this world.. I will try to find the article about his bust...
My anesthesiologist even agrees - I have some legit back problems, so after going through the NSAID's and muscle relaxers, and only finding relief with narcotics - I then had a choice, they could do a lumbar nerve block, which could mean I would have a pain free life, or I could do physical therapy as well as start on a long-term narcotics therapy program - he said the choice was mine, but that without a doubt the narcotics therapy would be the LEAST INVASIVE route, whom HE favored as well.. really cool guy, fresh from med school so he doesnt have these ass-backwards views about narcotics being evil, addictive killers...
CC -
I am still currious to know where I said heroin was *NOT* adicitve - see, personally I don't really believe in the concept of one drug being more *addictive* then another, because addiction is a product of the user - I think that heroin is simply a more powerfull drug that offers greater pleasure.. in turn, many will fall ..
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PAK CHOOIE UNF! Do not trust the pusher robot, he is malfunctioning, we are here to protect you..
 
Max there are a number of people out there who actually can control their behavior. You might not be one of them, but that doesn't mean everyone else isn't. Myself, and many people I know are perfectly capable of cutting ourselves off and avoid "racing." However, if you are too weak to exercise a little will-power when necessary, I can certainly see why a real drug might scare you.
 
well,ya have to like someone with the EXTENSIVE knowledge of OPIATES that PHREEX has...the guy is a GENIUS,well close to it...
it is VERY hard to control an addiction..i have said this MANY times,it all comes down to CASH and SUPPLY...if ya make a shitload of cash per week,and have TONS of "SUPPLIES" sitting around then go ahead and SPLURGE into it..then again,who knows when yer source might dry up??its a tricky web,as i have heard from very experienced OPIATE users that CASH is not the "CURE" for addiction and may only serve to worsen it..i dont know,i would have to beg to differ...
i have snorted "H" once,and didnt feel it that much..PROLLY cuz i had taken BAIn a few hours earlier...i dont thtink i will ever take the plunge into the "H" world..i like the HIGH QUALITY PHARMA drugs..
 
well,ya have to like someone with the EXTENSIVE knowledge of OPIATES that PHREEX has...the guy is a GENIUS,well close to it...
it is VERY hard to control an addiction..i have said this MANY times,it all comes down to CASH and SUPPLY...if ya make a shitload of cash per week,and have TONS of "SUPPLIES" sitting around then go ahead and SPLURGE into it..then again,who knows when yer source might dry up??its a tricky web,as i have heard from very experienced OPIATE users that CASH is not the "CURE" for addiction and may only serve to worsen it..i dont know,i would have to beg to differ...
i have snorted "H" once,and didnt feel it that much..PROLLY cuz i had taken BAIn a few hours earlier...i dont thtink i will ever take the plunge into the "H" world..i like the HIGH QUALITY PHARMA drugs..
 
well,ya have to like someone with the EXTENSIVE knowledge of OPIATES that PHREEX has...the guy is a GENIUS,well close to it...
it is VERY hard to control an addiction..i have said this MANY times,it all comes down to CASH and SUPPLY...if ya make a shitload of cash per week,and have TONS of "SUPPLIES" sitting around then go ahead and SPLURGE into it..then again,who knows when yer source might dry up??its a tricky web,as i have heard from very experienced OPIATE users that CASH is not the "CURE" for addiction and may only serve to worsen it..i dont know,i would have to beg to differ...
i have snorted "H" once,and didnt feel it that much..PROLLY cuz i had taken BAIn a few hours earlier...i dont thtink i will ever take the plunge into the "H" world..i like the HIGH QUALITY PHARMA drugs..
 
PhreeX-- I apreciate that you took the time to go into some detail.
Couple of points tho:
I have seen one study that said something like chronic morpheine use coused some time of mental abnormality such as depresion. Dont have the details now, but the point is that even though Ops have a long track record, some studies might uncover something we did not know. I plan to do some serious research in this area some time soon, and will let everyone know my findings, along with all the references.
forget about the second point.. im fucked up and am going out. later peepz.
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well,ya have to like someone with the EXTENSIVE knowledge of OPIATES that PHREEX has...the guy is a GENIUS,well close to it...
it is VERY hard to control an addiction..i have said this MANY times,it all comes down to CASH and SUPPLY...if ya make a shitload of cash per week,and have TONS of "SUPPLIES" sitting around then go ahead and SPLURGE into it..then again,who knows when yer source might dry up??its a tricky web,as i have heard from very experienced OPIATE users that CASH is not the "CURE" for addiction and may only serve to worsen it..i dont know,i would have to beg to differ...
i have snorted "H" once,and didnt feel it that much..PROLLY cuz i had taken BAIn a few hours earlier...i dont thtink i will ever take the plunge into the "H" world..i like the HIGH QUALITY PHARMA drugs..
 
Phreex- thanks for the details...
I have seen studies (one) however that attribute sertain types of mental disorders (depresion) to chronic morph use. I plan to do some serios research on this topic (long term op use) and will let yous know what i find.
Later
 
Phreex- thanks for the details...
I have seen studies (one) however that attribute sertain types of mental disorders (depresion) to chronic morph use. I plan to do some serios research on this topic (long term op use) and will let yous know what i find.
Later
 
Phreex- thanks for the details...
I have seen studies (one) however that attribute sertain types of mental disorders (depresion) to chronic morph use. I plan to do some serios research on this topic (long term op use) and will let yous know what i find.
Later
 
Wow, this thread blew up like opiate use in my school, he he. However I may have labeled it wrong. What I was trying to say is that opiates are the emerging trend that I've noticed. I don't know one person outside of this message board that uses heroin as a matter of fact.
I can honestly say that I'd take 200mg of codeine or some moriphine pills over a joint almost anytime now, and I really wouldn't feel guilty about useing opiates.
As for addiction, I think its genetic. Both my grandfathers have alcohol abuse issues, and my dad had some problems in his past with addiction to. So its no surprize that I find it very hard to use drugs responsibly. If I had any more T3 or moriphine pills right now I'd probably be high, but you can't automaticly assume anyone would be the same way. If I had a big bag of weed in my room its the exact same story, but marijuana is not addictive whatsoever according to most people...
 
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