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madagasqar

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Regards to all fellow BLers! ;)

I am 27 & currently addicted to the brown stuff. I've been dealing with heroin and other opiates since I was 15, so I can say that I'm an experienced user. But besides that fact, most of you with similar situation like mine know that it gets harder and harder through the years of drug abusing.
I'm hooked on for four months or so, and I reached a point where functioning normally is hard to obtain. Depression is growing as the days pass, my physical strength is low, I am getting more and more antisocial, and although I am a musician and my job is not conventional, its hard for me to keep my focus on stuff I'm working on (my perception's distorted, and I am becoming too sensitive to sound). Everytime when I'm high, I say this is the last time and tomorrow I'm getting clean. But this never happens.
I'm lacking motivation and encouragement, and its impossible to get support fro my friends, cuz I keep my habit a secret. Sometimes I wake up and as the first WD symptoms kick in, I feel sick and tired of taking shit into my organism, fetch some dupe, but then I feel like real shit and grab my phone and call the dealer to fix some H.
My mental state is getting critical and tomorrow I am planning to start the recovery.
I have some questions and I would be thankful if some of you guys are willing and/or capable of answering them.
I am currently using around 3/4 grams per day, which I strictly snort. The quality is not that high, and purity rate is questionable. I have a supply of 4 mg of buprenorphine, and two 8mg Suboxone pills. Should I take bupe first, or sub, on my first day? And how much? Maybe 2 mgs and then raise if needed?
I dont feel so good while on sub, rather empty and with no will to do anything. And i MUST work and be functional. Is there any other thing I should take with sub (or dupe) that could help me feel better?
Is going out of town to a place where H is not so easy to manage recommended?
thanks!
 
Buprenorphine and suboxone are the same thing.. suboxone is just the brand name for a formulation of buprenorphine and naloxone.

So you have a total of 20mg's of bupe, more than enough to execute a detox.

When your withdrawal symptoms peak, take a dose of suboxone, start with 2-4mg's and see how that holds you. Then start decreasing your dose by 25% each day. A good dose to jump off of bupe is around .125-.25mg's in my opinion.
 
okay. i think i wont use more then 0.5/1mg of xanax per day. what about ammonium? how much should i take?
 
Hello, you seem to be in the exact same position as me, except for the way we administer the drug :/ Im getting ready to do this on tues, after I get in food i might eat, vitamins, cranberry juice etc. I have 3 8mg subutex and 3 2mg subutex but was going to try my best not to touch them, then again I would rather have something to hand than set myself up for failure. After reading this thread I remember some guy talking about taking twenty immodium capsuals to start with, then increase by 5 till you feel fine, that sounds mad and dangerous. Taking 4mg of immodium to start, yeah, that sounds more reasonable, nobody is going to medicate themselves that much that they feel nothing, it should be experienced anyway but making it bearable is the key. I know where you're coming from; telling yourself, right tomorrow im going to start detoxing and it doesn't happen then you feel you've let yourself down because you go and score..always have something important to do 'tomorrow' so I do! sigh! no energy etc, so I'm getting set for tuesday coming. And anybody phoning me wanting me to run and get their shopping or whatever is going to have to wait, we have to be selfish in order to get to a place where we can help others. Good Luck Madagasqar and I'll be 2 days behind ya and great advice Mr scagnattie
 
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You probably don't want to hear this, but listen..
Do some exercise to get yourself motivated. I know, it sounds odd, but it will help you. I promise.
I don't care if you feel like shit and don't want to move a muscle, just do some exercise.

Or.. You can take some kind of stimulant.. However, that is pretty bad advice and I wouldn't suggest doing it.
 
hey jade1612!
thx for all the support!
i must say i moved the whole thing to monday. :(
but anyways, i've done this like 10 times before, so it;s not a big deal.
tomorrow i'll buy the imodium (here the brandname is loperamide) and start the detox. think i will get my sub round 9 pm.
 
good side of my current situation is that currently i lack money, i am totally broke, penniless, zilch! till tuesday... but then, i have to pay back the debts i have. although money is not such a problem for me. first of all, i come from means, and second of all - which is the most aggravating circumstance in my case - my supplier is also a very good friend of mine and he always give me smack even when I'm out of cash, so I can always pay him later. :) and this fact only makes harder for me to get clean.
yesterday i was feeling really bad, felt like all hope was gone, that i'm done, that i have no life, that i ruined myself , with no perspective of fixing it. then i had 0.5 mg of xanax, and i cant say that all the depression and discontent had gone, but it surely chased away some grey clouds.
and when i woke up in the morning, i felt that today its not the right day for getting off of H. i know myself to a certain extent and i am pretty much sure that if i swallowed the bupe, u would definitely score later in the vening, which would make me feel useless and definitely discourage me, and this kind of low esteem is the last thing i need in this moment, considering my mental situation.
i dont know why, but do you too get ultraemotional when WDing? like the stupidest song on the radio send dhivers down your spine? its hard tio deal with this.
so i'm starting tomorrow. as my friend said, also a "user", his detox is called "tomorrow never dies", hahaha.
i will need your support.
thx guys!
 
JunkieDays said:
You probably don't want to hear this, but listen..
Do some exercise to get yourself motivated. I know, it sounds odd, but it will help you. I promise.
I don't care if you feel like shit and don't want to move a muscle, just do some exercise.

Or.. You can take some kind of stimulant.. However, that is pretty bad advice and I wouldn't suggest doing it.
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stimulants only make me feel worse than i actually feel. i think that i screw up my detox twice cuz of cocaine, which i took merely with intention of getting myself a bit stimulated. as u said - BAD IDEA!
 
I dont know man suboxone worked pretty well for me. If you dont feel well on subs is probably because the heroin is still on your system. You must be at least 12h clean of heroin to take suboxone. If you snort 3-4 grams per day , you need about 12-18mg buprenorhine not to feel the withdrawal symptoms.
If you are dedicated to stop, suboxone will help a lot.
Also small doses of benzos at the beggining will help with the depression.
Have patience the first week is the toughest, as time passes by you will feel better, physically and mentally.
Good luck.
 
12-18 mg? for the whole process yes, definitely not taking this dose daily. waaaay tooo much! i've been through this already. and i always wait for 24 hours. and when i said that i dont feel well, i meant that i dont fancy suboxone. yes, its the most painless way, and yes, it takes away the pain, but theres something about it why i feel uncomfortable and slow.
 
Ok, 18mg maybe is too much (for you) but I know people that take 24mg per day. Not daily just for the first 2 days and then reduce it.
I was doing 1-2gs and started with 8.
But if you dont like it , i dont know man...
 
immodium is a wonderful drug. i will swear by it that there have been days where i had nothing and needed to function and took a handful of these F'ers and was not sick one bit! Slept just fine that night and it lasted a whole day. I just take a stool softener with it every day as well just to be careful so I dont back myself up, but we're opiate users so were pretty damn used to that! It says as directed to only take up to like 8 mg a day... thats for normal people whose bowels aren't used to opiates attached to it for the last X amount of years. I buy the bottles of 48 at target... under 4 bucks a bottle. The grocery store has packs of 24 for 2 times that and theyre all individually wrapped which is a pain in the ass!!! The up and up brand at target is the and all just in a bottle together. small and easy to take. i did this the day in between last using and when i could start taking subs. i was living at my parents house at the time and could not risk being full blown sick in front of them. i took 10 probably every half hour, 45 minutes until i took a bottles worth. it will totally help with ALL symptoms... it is an opiate for petes sake! and i was fine until the next day and then took the sub.... worked like a charm!! hope that helps!
 
gotta stop talking to the dealer friend!! some of my best friends were also users, but if they aren't doing the same things as u are its never going to work... it is hard though i completely understand that. i did an outpatient program at a nearby mental hospital, which i truly am grateful is so close to my house because it was a god send. met some of the best people there in my group and friends that i still talk to daily over a year later. it wasn't cheap... thank goodness my insurance covered some of it, but it was so nice to have people right in the same boat as me. at the end of the day i would feel so happy from good conversation that no drug could make me feel higher. abuse the hell out of websites and forums like this as well! make a post like hey people im trying to detox and need support! will gladly be there to push ya through it!!!! :) i too get emotional. i think im such a friggin' loser and how did i get so far off of my perfect path. i think about all the money wasted. friendships ruined. family that hates me. shit ive stolen. shit ive screwed up. and it sucks that none of that can be undone, but u can show urself and others u are strong by staying clean every day. im not a big NA person for the fact that im not religious, but i do understand the one day at a time method. just like using is a lifestyle, being sober is one too. it's a million times harder, but if it's something u can even survive for one day, ur a winner. one day turns into many my friend when strength is put to the test. don't let all that emotional mumbo jumbo get you down... isn't going to do anything to help you out.

since day one of being clean, i write in my journal every day. sometimes ill talk about being down, but self pity is never the answer! keep reminding urself what an amazing thing ur doing for yourself! i'll go back to days in the past to remind myself how hard certain things were that i got through without resorting to drugs. this last year of being clean has been one of the hardest to get through sober. i have lost loved ones and gone through some messed up stuff. when i was admitted into detox at the mental hospital nearby, i had NEVER been dope sick for more than one day before. i was so scared. i tried to play it off to my family that i was going to be fine by jokin' around and laughing because i knew how worried they were for me. they had only known i was using for a couple days. i came to them and told them i was using and wanted to get help. i was very serious about it. as i entered my shitty hospital room, there was a binder with a notebook and pencil on my desk. i couldn't sleep for days, so i just read and wrote. It does wonders!
 
The thing is that my problem is not so serious, but it could grow harder. And, in my case, it's always easier to get off of it when the situation worsens and when fear I'm hitting rock bottom as my body and mind decays overwhelms me, because then common sense in me clicks and I get a grip, I know this is the last train I must catch. I am always actually walking that thin line, playing with my life actually, when I screw up, I never go that far to the point where all the things I'd built and achieved slip out of my hands. There is always enough rationality in me, thats why I never really ruined my life. But now I feel like I am not so young anymore and that this game is becomoing dangerous
 
Hi, I am actually looking for information as well, or should I say, a matter of opinion. It seems a lot of people on this thread could give me answers. I have been using heroin for about 6 months consistantly, maybe less actually. I do about 1-3 points a day, and I've decided I would like to quit. I am afraid of heroin withdrawal, given all that I have heard, and have only experienced mild symptoms as I have not gone for more than 48 hours without. I am wondering if you think my withdrawal will be severe given how much (or should I say, how little) I used, in comparison to other heavier users?? also, today instead of doing 2 or 3 points, I instead did one, and tomorrow instead of doing it at all, I plan to take ONE 10 mg percocet, and another 10 mg percocet the following day, with the intention of tapering my intake. after this, I plan to bear the rest cold turkey, how awful do you think my experience will be?
 
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