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Heroin Heroin not lasting very long

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Deadhead420

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I just got some black tar heroin. I'm not very experienced with heroin. I mostly do pills (oxycodone and hydrocodone mostly). It just seems like it's only lasting 2-3 hours. I've been IVing it and for the first hour or two I'm nodding out pretty good (which never happens to me with pills) but then after that I just seem to sober up really quickly. I thought heroin was supposed to last longer. Is it possible this stuff is fentanyl or some other opiate or is that only with powdered heroin? The last time I did BTH it was really gooey and sticky and seemed to last longer but not be as strong. This stuff I have is really hard but once I break a piece off the gram I have it gets a little softer. It smells right... like vinegar and it's somewhat sticky though not too much.
 
Hmm... I think I was actually higher than I thought because it was kind of hard to sleep last night. I would nod off then wake back up and repeat that cycle and I'm still feeling residual affects this morning. I think heroin's just a little more subtle compared to the energizing feeling I'm used to with oxycodone. Still I'm wondering what the best BTH is supposed to look like. Soft and gooey or almost rock hard?
 
Fentanyl would not be the preferred cut for black tar, and since I've never used it I can only speculate. But if indeed somehow it was cut with fentanyl, the high would last longer. And do you shoot oxycodone? Are you getting a rush with the BTH (Maybe even pin's and needle's sensation)? IMO BTH is dirtier than what we have over on the East Coast, but it's all depends on the quality of the opium, and the methods used to isolate morphine and convert it into diacetylmorphine. So it doesn't really matter what it looks like TBH (And to a certain extent), because of my previous sentence. Also, have you ever done morphine, did you shoot it? Once Heroin crosses the Blood Brain Barrier (BBB) it is deacetylated your left with morphine, the only reason heroin is "more potent" is because the two acetyl groups allow it to cross the BBB faster which gives you the "rush" which when it comes down to it is really just a histamine reaction.

You might want to try potentiating the BTH with diphenhydramine (Benadryl) to make it last longer and get a more noddy high, I will not begin to suggest dosage though because everyone is different.
 
It wasn't fent. What you are describing is what typical BTH looks like.

As far as it not lasting that long... that is typical of IV'ing. It has a much shorter duration than snorting or oral. What you're experiencing is normal.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
It wasn't fent. What you are describing is what typical BTH looks like.

As far as it not lasting that long... that is typical of IV'ing. It has a much shorter duration than snorting or oral. What you're experiencing is normal.
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100% true, which is why I asked if he/she was IV'ing the oxy. Also even though both are semi-synthetic opioid's, Oxycodone is synthesized from the naturally occurring Thebaine while Heroin (diacetylmorphine) is obviously synthesized from the naturally occurring morphine.

Everyone's bodies different.
 
Everyone is different, but in my opinion, when you IV, the high doesn't last as long as when you snort it. I've noticed that as well, and it was a bit disappointing at first, but then I started to love the rush... but I digress.

I don't know a thing about BTH, because I'm from the east coast, so I can't help you there, though.
 
xXMorphineXx said:
You might want to try potentiating the BTH with diphenhydramine (Benadryl) to make it last longer and get a more noddy high, I will not begin to suggest dosage though because everyone is different.
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A little OT apologies but since it was brought up may i ask you your experience in potentiating with Benadryl. Is it truly potentiating, especially with regards to the nod, or as i have heard, only adds an additional (non synergistic) effect of increased drowsiness, and not really opiate effects, and also increases the chance of falling asleep instead of nodding?
 
I've shot oxycodone before. It didn't really have much of a rush to speak of... just instant onset. This BTH gave me more of a rush than that but not as big of a rush as I used to get from Dilaudid. But then again the heroin lasted longer and had a stronger high. I also have shot morphine pills before. They gave me a weird rush... like I was instantly itchy all over my whole body (I guess "pins and needles" is how you describe it but almost unpleasant because of histamine release). The BTH didn't give me that kind of rush. It was nicer. More of just a warm relaxing feeling hitting me all at once. I really don't like the way Benadryl makes me feel so I don't know if I'll use that and I was nodding hard enough as is. I may need to take something though because I ended up scratching the fuck out of my legs because I was itching so bad.
 
It is common to prescribe benadryl (diphenhydramine) in conjunction with opiates in europe, but is not approved in the US... However, It is excellent at anti-nausea and so I've been prescribed dilaudid and benadryl together for pancreatitis.

the reason diphenhydramine potentiates opiates (and many other drugs as well) is because it reduces the efficiency of the cytochrome p450 which produce the principal detoxifying metabolic enzymes that process many drugs including opiates and diphenhydramine.

Occasionally, I am forced into opiates use because of chronic pain, I've used diphenhydramine (ramping diphenhydramine up at the same time I taper the oxy's) in order to avoid withdrawl symptoms.

do not 'play' around with this. When I was young and broke, I would combine two Chlorphenamines and two beers and it felt like a six pack. Just to give you an idea. Any anti-histimine loads the cytochrome p450 down reducing it's efficiency and extending the half-life and thus the drug effects are both stronger, and longer lasting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_metabolism
 
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On topic withe bth I was an avid h user for a while and had a great connection for bth. IME the high did last about 2-3 hours Before the urgE to redose.
 
For me the legs on BTH and No.4 are about the same. You just don't notice the high as much after 2-3 hours, hence the urge to redose.

Of course, part of it could be the "chasing the rush" phenomenon we're all familiar with no doubt.
 
bth is not usually cut with other opium based drugs because it's expensive to do that it's more common to be mixed with vinegar baby laxatives and benadryl but it could be cut with anything i've even heard of people using instant coffee in it
 
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