Heroin/Meth Users, I have a Question for You

[Sweet P]

Meth is just a yucky yucky feeling and you're better off not even messing with it.

Sounds like you might have had bad meth... some cutting agents can make the experience horrible. I stand by everything I've said about meth being a nasty drug, but the initial rush is amazing. And while you're high you feel like you can conquer the world. That's what makes it even more evil. It seduces people.

 

[Violenza666]

Sounds like you might have had bad meth... some cutting agents can make the experience horrible. I stand by everything I've said about meth being a nasty drug, but the initial rush is amazing. And while you're high you feel like you can conquer the world. That's what makes it even more evil. It seduces people.

I had good meth it was just too much upper for my liking.. I was up for three days straight fucked to no end and could not get off and cleaned everything in site.. If it didn't last so damn long I would have enjoyed it. I got to a point where it seemed unending and left me feeling yucky. I guess it wasn't my thing. I did enjoy the first 12 hours.. Lol

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Aok, you have good questions, I think I can answer, excuse me if its not completely cohesive.

Your son likely does have ADD/ADHD, that is the most likely explanation for smoking crack (also a stimulant) making him calm instead of sped up.
People who actually do have ADD/ADHD tend to feel calm almost "zombie" like when they take stimulants, people without ADD/ADHD however feel very euphoric and sped up....So it makes sense that stimulants would not be something your son enjoys...Combine that with the fact children just hate taking pills and want to rebel for whatever reasons and it makes some sense.

Why would he want to use oxy and heroin if he spent years fighting the ritalin?

Well the oxy and the heroin (opiates) were probably much more enjoyable to him than stimulants, plus my guess is he was jealous watching how much euphoria all his friends got from stimulants but he for some reason he could not achieve.

Also, poor kids are lied to so much about drugs he probably thought, "hell im already on speed I can handle anything" not exactly, but felt a little stronger since he was experienced fighting ritalin.

People are often either speed people or opiate people when it comes down to it, your son is an opiate person. They are really different beasts.

I am also an opiate person, I can use speed once every month, take it or leave it, usually regret it afterwards.
Opiates however I have a weak spot for, I can understand alot of what he's going through.

I completely agree with that statement about those two drugs.
~What I'm curious about now is Ritalin. One of my sons is doing time because of heroin addiction. He was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and mild OCD since he was 4. He hated taking Ritalin. When the nurse at school used to make him take it, she would have to inspect his mouth to make sure he swallowed it. He said he couldn't stand the way it made him feel, like a walking zombie. So why would he want to use oxy's and heroin if he spent years fighting the Ritalin? He also told me once that smoking crack made him feel calm. I told him how crazy that sounded. When my ex begged me to do it with him 25 years ago, the last thing I felt was calm! I wonder if that really happens to people with ADD? Anyone else out there experience that too? I'm very interested in finding that out.

 

[girlygrrl]

Heroin seems safer then meth...just don't overdo it. Don't go the IV route if you can avoid it.

But why not try something like Mephedrone which seems to not be addictive but is quite enjoyable? Or Oxycontin, which reportedly has similar effects but is safer than Heroin (mainly because you can measure dose and not worry about purity) Not to mention those two likely don't have a prison sentence attached if you get caught.

I don't know anyone who recommends meth and I have friends who do everything else besides meth...I frankly don't get the appeal because it seems there are other substances that give the same benefits without the same negatives and it seems people only do meth because it is cheap and readily available.

 

[the_ketaman]

Id say wait till your 20. The drugs arent going anywhere.

 

[Sweet P]

^ This. Especially with meth - wait until your brain has fully developed. It can lead to some nasty long-lasting neurological problems.

 

[menaces]

i've never done stimulants so i can't answer for that, but as for opiates:

it's the most incredible feeling you will ever have felt, and it may seem like bull but its true, you'll feel like you've been dreaming your whole life and your NOW FINALLY waking up and just starting to experience pleasure, but that's the down side, because once you know that there is such true pleasure and total enlightenment, you will never want to stop and regular life won't be enough anymore, and that's when addiction starts. honestly i wish i never tried my 1st opiate, because now i feel like life just isn't worth living without it, i mean nothing i do without it will never generate that feeling, so whats the point?

take it from me, you cant miss what you've never tried.

ive never been in love with something more then i have with opiates, when i don't have them i feel as if I'm being cheated on.

and you think you've felt crappy? try being on them for years then stopping, utter dysphoria, panic and hell. in one way you've never truly felt pleasure or agony til you start doing dope, but its better to never feel it then to crave it for the rest of your life.


your going to do what you want to, but if i could honestly go back in time and tell myself not to, i would, and I'm pretty sure most of the hardcore addicts on here would to.

edit
btw i'm not preaching abstinence or anything, far from it, i'm just trying to give some harm reduction advice, you cant miss what you never had. if you know all this and still want to do it then just follow what everyone else is saying, but you better be ready for what seems like 2 full time jobs.

and i'm not saying that everyone who tries opiates gets addicted, but honestly, the percentage is high that you'll want to try again, and once that happens, the odds are you'll want to keep it going until you become dependent, and then the cycle starts and when you feel withdrawals it just reinforces the cycle. drugs can be fun but they can also ruin your life.

don't make this decision lightly
/edit

 

[the_ketaman]

I have done meth maybe every 2 months for the last 2 years sometimes more and usually a gram or few at a time....the 4 years before that I did it much more often but not at the quality I use now and not IV.

Anyway my point is I hardly ever use meth and I am craving it so fucking bad right now, I would do things that most normal people would think is desperate to get some right now. It can be evil stuff I tells ya, and dont just say to yourself "oh he shoots up, I wont end up like that" I know people that are way more fucked than me who eat, snort and smoke it, it doesnt matter how you use it.

And im on methadone so its obvious why im saying you shouldnt do that. I would personally rather be insane from meth than dead from heroin which is what likely woulld have happened if I wasnt on methadone, luckily im not as mentally fucked as my family(and i have done way more drugs) but these two drugs are really bad for you. I would personally rather hang around heroin addicts coz methheads annoy the shit out of me, I know how to not act like an idiot on the stuff but some people really just need to pull their head in and not do it coz it makes them look and act like scum.

 

[Aok]

Thanks smokeymcpot for the info. I never had the opportunity to ask those kind of questions. This place rocks!
I have another question:
My kids who got hooked on heroin told me that heroin is the "poor man's Oxycontin" Is that true? Anyone agree?

 

[moonyham]

Thanks smokeymcpot for the info. I never had the opportunity to ask those kind of questions. This place rocks!
I have another question:
My kids who got hooked on heroin told me that heroin is the "poor man's Oxycontin" Is that true? Anyone agree?

Pure heroin is generally what most opiate addicts would choose over any other opiate, but pure heroin is hard to come by. However, pure oxycontin isnt, it would be hard to come by cut stuff, so therefore alot of people will choose oxycontin > heroin.

Also, some people prefer oxy over heroin and vice versa because they simply like the feel of each more so than the other. Just like some people will choose cocaine over meth.. meth is 'stronger' and gives a longer buzz and generally is cheaper, but doesnt have the same 'feel' or effects as cocaine.. even though they are both stimulants.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Aok--- This is the rationalization I myself made and did'nt really regret untill one day I passed out and woke up hardly breathing, off of 15 dollars of dope that normally wouldn't even catch me a buzz.....the purity varies so much....

On one hand, yes it is a poor man's oxycontin---usually the progression of opiate use starts with vicodin/percocet than goes to oxycontin/morphine......The thing about pharmaceutical pills is they are hard to find and people overcharge the hell out of addicts for them.

For example an 80 mg pill of Oxycontin would cost 40-80 dollars, more towards 80 lately.

For 10 dollars you can get a bag of heroin that is probably equally strong to that same 80mg oxycontin......Your use to spending say 40 to 50 bucks a day just to stay healthy, and all of a sudden you can get high all day on 20 bucks again....its an amazing thing....but usually the users tolerance just raises accordingly and he ends up spending 40-50 if not more a day on H in no time......an amount that now to get through the day he would have to pay about 500 for oxycontins, thats simply not an option at this point and your stuck with heroin.


That is usually how it goes.

edit* Overall no I do not agree, its a better cheaper high.....I think you should consider suboxone for your son perhaps if he can not stay away from opiates, that way he is legal and can avoid being in the dope game (Likely chance of death or prison, lets face it)....actually the lifestyle he could avoid is the most harmful part of being addicted to opiates.....plus its pretty damn hard to OD on suboxone for most addicts.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

That's a far cry from your original post where you made all meth addicts out to be pathological liars and criminals who commit heinous crimes. Trust me, I know how bad meth can be - I've turned psychotic after using too much, my teeth are stained and rotten, my gums are receding severely, I've lost so much weight from not eating, and I've got organ and neurological damage which could stay with me for a very long time. Last time I tried IV'ing heroin (black tar), I got a nasty abscess and cotton fever. I also know heroin addicts who have lost the veins in their arms, and now inject into their neck (among other places)... very dangerous. To me, both drugs are equally nasty but in different ways.

I agree with you P, heroin, coke/crack, meth can all be just as bad as each other for the right person.

Not everyone gets as deep into it as some people do, but as long as you're still alive you can always walk away.

Sounds like you might have had bad meth... some cutting agents can make the experience horrible. I stand by everything I've said about meth being a nasty drug, but the initial rush is amazing. And while you're high you feel like you can conquer the world. That's what makes it even more evil. It seduces people.

d-methamphetamine is what P is and what P's talking about.

l-methamphetamine is surely a bad experience, like the l isomer of amphetamine.

Meth can be just as euphoric as heroin is for the right person. Some people don't find heroin to be euphoric (a shocker I know ).

Heroin seems safer then meth...just don't overdo it. Don't go the IV route if you can avoid it.

But why not try something like Mephedrone which seems to not be addictive but is quite enjoyable? Or Oxycontin, which reportedly has similar effects but is safer than Heroin (mainly because you can measure dose and not worry about purity) Not to mention those two likely don't have a prison sentence attached if you get caught.

I don't know anyone who recommends meth and I have friends who do everything else besides meth...I frankly don't get the appeal because it seems there are other substances that give the same benefits without the same negatives and it seems people only do meth because it is cheap and readily available.

Because mephedrone is highly addictive... 8)

I would do meth over meph. In fact I would never try meph.

My kids who got hooked on heroin told me that heroin is the "poor man's Oxycontin" Is that true? Anyone agree?

Oxycontin is severely overpriced, so in a sense yes.

Heroin is way better than OC's though.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Oxycontin is severely overpriced, so in a sense yes.

Heroin is way better than OC's though.

^Succinct and to the point, I like it.

 

[Sweet P]

d-methamphetamine is what P is and what P's talking about.

l-methamphetamine is surely a bad experience, like the l isomer of amphetamine.

Meth can be just as euphoric as heroin is for the right person. Some people don't find heroin to be euphoric (a shocker I know ).

Yep, methamphetamine is dextro-methampetamine. Here in NZ, the pure crystal form is known as "P" (hence my nickname).

Levo- and dextro-levo-methampetamine are not the recreational forms of methamphetamine.

 

[Aok]

Suboxone

SweetP suggested my kid might be better off on suboxone. Apparently he is according to his bro. Do you feel anything from those, like a high in anyway? And if it's supposed to block opiate effects, would he feel a Xanax? BTW, thanks to all who keep answering my questions. Like I said in an early post, I've tried lots if drugs in my lifetime, but heroin, oxycontins and suboxone are ones I know nothing about, but I sure have been learning a lot! I could Google all of this I guess, but I'd rather hear it from real people with real experiences.

 

[Sweet P]

^ I suggested what?

I've never done Suboxone, but from what I've heard you can get recreational effects from it. It's very potent, so you don't need to take much. Xanax is a benzo, not an opiate, so yes he would feel the effects of Xanax while on Suboxone.

 

[unsettled]

I haven't read all these posts, but from what I did read I would agree with the person who recommended you try ritalin and percocet instead of meth and heroin. I agree that in most cases meth and heroin are end of the line drugs, you work your way up to them, you usually don't start with heroin.

Ideally don't try either of them, but if you're anything like me you're gonna go for it anyway. I would suggest starting with vicodin and adderall or something similar. They'll give you an idea of the general feel of those kinds of drugs without killing you or seriously damaging your life right off the bat.

 

[Aok]

^ I suggested what?

I've never done Suboxone, but from what I've heard you can get recreational effects from it. It's very potent, so you don't need to take much. Xanax is a benzo, not an opiate, so yes he would feel the effects of Xanax while on Suboxone.

I'm so sorry! You didn't suggest the Subs.....my mistake, but thanks for answering my questions. I take .5 Xanax daily for panic attacks and one day he was begging me for some cuz he said the insurance co. said it was too soon to fill his script so he wanted some of mine (when we were on speaking terms). You answered my suspicions. I'm sure he was trying to catch a buzz since he used my symptoms one day and announced he suddenly has panic attacks "just like you get mama". He found 2 new legal ways to get high while on a second chance program that does random urine screenings. He detoxed in jail, so there was no need to start on Subs. Wow.... just when I thought I've heard every lie a person could muster up, he got me again.

I hope the OP will let us know her decision or if she did either drug or decided against them.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Aok-- I was the one who suggested suboxone for your son at the end of my post!!

First of All I want to say Im proud of you for trying to understand your sons problem and ask people who can relate....its BETTER than google, trust.

Suboxone is not just a cheap legal way to catch a buzz.....even if he did detox in jail if he was going to go back to opiates and couldn't help it he needs something obviously....and Suboxone actually BLOCKS THE BRAINS ABILITY TO FEEL OPIATES....

as far as catching a buzz...if he was completely clean he may catch a VERY SMALL, NOT LIKE HEROIN OR OXY, but still a buzz for the first week or so while on it....after that there is no buzz.

I myself went on suboxone, when I started it 1 year and 2 months ago I needed 4mg a day, I am now down to half of 1 mg a day....I believe this was the only way for me to get to where I am.

Most people need benzo's when quitting opiates, just make sure he doesnt get addicted to that too.

Please, I urge you not to shun suboxone, the problem may be the way your son is using the suboxone......What you need to do is this.

1. Make sure he is getting his suboxone prescribed to him from a legit doctor, not just buying it off the street.

2. He's your son, tell him in interest of his health you will hold them and give him his dose every day, you also want to watch him put it under his tongue and melt it so he does not have the choice of going on opiates.

3. I wouldnt worry about the benzo's right now, just don't encourage their use and only give them to him if he cant sleep or really is having a panic attack

 

[cr250owner]

I've insufflated crystal once. It was a fun experience, not quite what I expected. I would probably do it again but I'm not in any hurry. As far as heroin goes I had a previous slight addiction to oxy before I tried H. After smoking h (only roa I've tried) I wouldn't say I'm addicted due to my wanting to quit opiates in general. However I'd say h was a much better high and more habit forming because I also enjoy the act of smoking