Heroin/Meth Users, I have a Question for You

[jewbyrd]

iHey there,i'ma 48 y/o man whose seen and used most all except Herion.When,back in the early 90's I was selling cars on a cheesy car lot off of hwy 44 in the heart of meth country(We were on A&E,with my dentist too.) I had lovely young lady as a customer 19-20 and she and Father had bought a few nice used Honda's from me..I got a call from her about a yr. later from Tx. saying she needed a car and would be back in town next day. she called and said she was @ a gas station 3 miles down the road broke down and could i Pleeeaaaassseee come and get her.I asked what about her Dad and mom could they give you a ride."No, we don't talk anymore". so later i went to get her. she said she would be by the pay phone. when i pulled up to the payphone all that was there was a bum sleeping and squirming on the ground with a sleeping bag covering up.Then i heard her ask my name.! It was the once young beautiful fresh faced teenage girl I had seen not a yr. ago.cept',see she was riddled with red sores on her face and stunk of body odor..I could go on but it reminds me of all the g-damn family and peeps this shit has fucked up.please for your families sake at least, you may have an under-lying addictive disorder and then you to will be done..And I posted this because well,I hope you don't do either one.ever.

 

[lazydullard]

So the person who's asking me is an 18 year old girl, right?

My reply would be... "Hell yes! I can get you a GOOD deal girl. Ectasy is almost always methamphetamine now a days anyway. Only put into a pill and doubled in price. Get yo' shit pure and from the source. You'll be "rolling" harder than ever and for less money than ever."

Anyone will find these drugs for an 18 year old girl. So, if someone else will get it for her, then it might as well be me first. Get 'em while they're young, before their tolerance gets too high for your wallet.

Nah but for real. That first month. Even a year if you're hella pimp. Anyway, she'll believe she's really in love. You can get anal from a girl who thinks she loves you. Bloody anal. I mean if that's your thing.

So your dude. He's only gonna let you snort the stuff. Then eventually you go to a party, and OMG wat?? they're smoking that shit. Smoking's bad. Addictive. But maybe if you just smoke at parties every now and then... You gotta promise your guy that you won't get addicted. Although you already are when he brings you to that party.

Frickin' this thread makes me wanna go get an fresh high school senior addicted to methamphetamine right now. But I'll just dream about it. 'Coz, you know, that sort of thing is evil. I'm not evil. I'm just a middleman.

 

[moonyham]

iHey there,i'ma 48 y/o man whose seen and used most all except Herion.When,back in the early 90's I was selling cars on a cheesy car lot off of hwy 44 in the heart of meth country(We were on A&E,with my dentist too.) I had lovely young lady as a customer 19-20 and she and Father had bought a few nice used Honda's from me..I got a call from her about a yr. later from Tx. saying she needed a car and would be back in town next day. she called and said she was @ a gas station 3 miles down the road broke down and could i Pleeeaaaassseee come and get her.I asked what about her Dad and mom could they give you a ride."No, we don't talk anymore". so later i went to get her. she said she would be by the pay phone. when i pulled up to the payphone all that was there was a bum sleeping and squirming on the ground with a sleeping bag covering up.Then i heard her ask my name.! It was the once young beautiful fresh faced teenage girl I had seen not a yr. ago.cept',see she was riddled with red sores on her face and stunk of body odor..I could go on but it reminds me of all the g-damn family and peeps this shit has fucked up.please for your families sake at least, you may have an under-lying addictive disorder and then you to will be done..And I posted this because well,I hope you don't do either one.ever.

So what did you do when you saw her? Start walking other way and boost it out of there pretending you never saw her? Haha.

 

[Aok]

Point me towards a single scientific study that demonstrates that opiates cause brain damage.

I was talking about Heroin and brain damage:
Here's one: Heroin Brain Damage Rising
http://www.medbook.md/news1045.html

Another study:
Heroin Causes Alzheimer-like Brain Damage

Researchers have found that young heroin users suffer a level of brain damage similar to that seen in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease.
The research team from the University of Edinburgh studied the autopsied brains of 34 drug users with a history of opiate abuse - mainly heroin and methadone. Most had died of a drug overdose, but all were HIV negative and had no history of head injuries.
They also looked at the autopsied brains of 16 people who had no history of drug
abuse or neurological impairment.
The average age in both groups was 26 and drug abusers as young as 17 were included.
The study found that young drug abusers were up to three times more likely to suffer brain damage, than those who did not use drugs. The drug abusers meanwhile sustained a level of brain damage normally only seen in much older people and similar to the early stages of Alzheimer's.
"Our study shows evidence of an increased risk of brain damage associated with heroin and methadone use, which may be highest in the young, when individuals are most likely to acquire the habit", said lead researcher, Professor Jeanne Bell.
Professor Bell said that in a previous study, the research team found that drug abuse causes low grade inflammation in the brain. Taken together, she explained, the two studies suggest that intravenous opiate abuse may be linked to premature ageing of the brain.
"This study shows that drug abuse can lead to a build up of proteins which cause severe nerve cell damage and death in essential parts of the brain. The drug users we looked at sadly died at a young age, but there are many others who don't realise the long-term effects that these drugs may be causing", Professor Bell said.
In Ireland, the vast majority of heroin users live in the eastern region. An estimated 13,000 heroin users currently live in Dublin.
Details of this study are published in the journal, Neuropathology and Applied Neurobiology.

Sorry for the long post, I couldn't get the link to work.

 

[daysonatrain]

So the person who's asking me is an 18 year old girl, right?

My reply would be... "Hell yes! I can get you a GOOD deal girl. Ectasy is almost always methamphetamine now a days anyway. Only put into a pill and doubled in price. Get yo' shit pure and from the source. You'll be "rolling" harder than ever and for less money than ever."

Anyone will find these drugs for an 18 year old girl. So, if someone else will get it for her, then it might as well be me first. Get 'em while they're young, before their tolerance gets too high for your wallet.

Nah but for real. That first month. Even a year if you're hella pimp. Anyway, she'll believe she's really in love. You can get anal from a girl who thinks she loves you. Bloody anal. I mean if that's your thing.

So your dude. He's only gonna let you snort the stuff. Then eventually you go to a party, and OMG wat?? they're smoking that shit. Smoking's bad. Addictive. But maybe if you just smoke at parties every now and then... You gotta promise your guy that you won't get addicted. Although you already are when he brings you to that party.

Frickin' this thread makes me wanna go get an fresh high school senior addicted to methamphetamine right now. But I'll just dream about it. 'Coz, you know, that sort of thing is evil. I'm not evil. I'm just a middleman.

you might not be evil but you sound pretty fucked up

 

[psychomimetic]

I was talking about Heroin and brain damage:
Here's one: Heroin Brain Damage Rising
http://www.medbook.md/news1045.html

Another study:
Heroin Causes Alzheimer-like Brain Damage

Researchers have found that young heroin users suffer a level of brain damage similar to that seen in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease.
The research team from the University of Edinburgh studied the autopsied brains of 34 drug users with a history of opiate abuse - mainly heroin and methadone. Most had died of a drug overdose, but all were HIV negative and had no history of head injuries.
They also looked at the autopsied brains of 16 people who had no history of drug
abuse or neurological impairment.
The average age in both groups was 26 and drug abusers as young as 17 were included.
The study found that young drug abusers were up to three times more likely to suffer brain damage, than those who did not use drugs. The drug abusers meanwhile sustained a level of brain damage normally only seen in much older people and similar to the early stages of Alzheimer's.
"Our study shows evidence of an increased risk of brain damage associated with heroin and methadone use, which may be highest in the young, when individuals are most likely to acquire the habit", said lead researcher, Professor Jeanne Bell.
Professor Bell said that in a previous study, the research team found that drug abuse causes low grade inflammation in the brain. Taken together, she explained, the two studies suggest that intravenous opiate abuse may be linked to premature ageing of the brain.
"This study shows that drug abuse can lead to a build up of proteins which cause severe nerve cell damage and death in essential parts of the brain. The drug users we looked at sadly died at a young age, but there are many others who don't realise the long-term effects that these drugs may be causing", Professor Bell said.
In Ireland, the vast majority of heroin users live in the eastern region. An estimated 13,000 heroin users currently live in Dublin.
Details of this study are published in the journal, Neuropathology and Applied Neurobiology.

Sorry for the long post, I couldn't get the link to work.

Both of those studies are reffering to brain damage due to overdose, except that the link isn't actually to a scientific study, it's to a rather subjective article.

Could you point me to the actual study that the article is talking about? The terms they use are very vague and I'd like to actually read the study.

Overdosing on heroin can cause brain damage, but you can easily be a heroin user without ever ODing. Opiates are generally recognized as safe for medical purposes. It's no different with recreational use if use is responsible.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

^heroin and other opiates tend to lead to habitual use. the users are constantly under influence of the drug. too much of any psychoactive substance is bad. homeostasis and synaptic pruning exist.

if you want to find studies talking about effects of opiate abuse on the CNS, the keywords shouldn't be too hard to think of.

 

[kokaino]

Oh geez... here we go with the massive exaggerations. The kinda things prohibitionists like to spread. I agree that meth is a nasty drug (it's fucked me up big time), but come on. I can't recall doing heinous things to people. But I guess that depends on your definition of "heinous."

By the way, heroin is a nasty drug too. Just as nasty, and usually a lot more dirtier.

exaggerations in your opinion.
my experiences with meth have been horrific to say the least. i'm not going to go into any details, but as a tweaker yourself, you should have a good idea or a general understanding at least.
i was doing opiates, including IV heroin before i got into meth.
the year and a half i was heavily using meth was the lowest point of my entire life. many times i was like totally devoid of emotion, especially after several days of no sleep.
just everything about it felt wrong, looking back at those days now is just scary.

guess everyones experiences can vary depending on how much your using and your state of mind to begin with, but heroin has been a lot gentler in my experience.

 

[Aok]

^heroin and other opiates tend to lead to habitual use. the users are constantly under influence of the drug. too much of any psychoactive substance is bad. homeostasis and synaptic pruning exist.

if you want to find studies talking about effects of opiate abuse on the CNS, the keywords shouldn't be too hard to think of.

Thanks hydroazuanacaine for basically saying what I was going to say to psychomimetic. The last article is from the website Irishhealth.com from 2005, so you can pretty much double or triple the heroin users in Dublin now. The very last sentence of the article states that study was taken from the journal, Neuropathology and Applied Neurobiology. Google it or go to the library. I haven't searched other opiates and brain damage yet, because I don't really care about other opiates right now. Heroin has personally affected my family, and this forum is about an 18 year old girl wanting to know which drug should she try: meth or heroin. I'm advising her against heroin use.

 

[Crankinit]

Honestly, I'd say don't bother. Meth isn't MDMA or Acid, it isn't going to give you amazing experiences or life changing epiphanies. You feel really good, then you feel bad and want to feel good again. That's it. It's pure hedonism, and it's a lot of fun, but there are other ways to have fun, and you don't have to take the risk of ending up with your life revolving around that glass pipe. Nobody is a better person for smoking meth. I've had a lot of fun with it over the years and for the most part managed my useage ok (with the occasional periods of excess), but at the end of the day, that pointless search for pleasure just takes up time and energy you could spend on much better things.

Of course, chances are you've already made up your mind to try these drugs, and are just looking for some confirmation. Some people just crave that intensity, they get bored with the drab greyness of 9 - 5 and need something to make the world feel colorful and alive. And that's ok. Drugs probably aren't the best way to do it, but the urge to alter our state of consciousness has existed for as long as civilization has. Just don't let it consume you.

Often, addiction is a self fulfilling prophecy, people assume that they 'have' to become an addict just because they start using meth or H or whatever, and become some kind of caricature tweaker. It takes a bit of willpower and self control, but you 'can' take these drugs without letting them consume you. Just try to balance short term pleasure with long term goals, and remember that nobody can stay high forever. Use it as an occasional enhancement, not as an attempt to constantly mask whatever deficiency exists in your own life.

Good luck

 

[jewbyrd]

So what did you do when you saw her? Start walking other way and boost it out of there pretending you never saw her? Haha.

I took out in the woods and stuffed my cock down her throat and left her for dead..haha..dumb-shit.

 

[ms.420]

im going to have to agree with everyone else that these are not good drugs to get addicted to however ive tried meth ONE time about a month ago and yes the come down is a bitch and you don't really gain anything from the experience except to satisfy your curiosity. Something that i noticed was the next few days after i came down i wanted to do it again really really bad but its a matter of self control to not get addicted. If you try it one time yes its hard on your body but nothing that bad is going to happen to you except maybe loose a few pounds and get a little funny right before you come down. the key is that after you try it DON'T do it again for at the very least 2-3 months i would say you have to treat those drugs like you don't need them in your life and do them occasionally not all the time this is where most people have problems. I personally have never done heroin so I cant comment on that but it really all is self control.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

I would tell you that your young and have a long time to travel these paths. Heroin and Meth are kind of the end of the drug road, theres lots more to experience in between.

I would tell you that instead of trying meth and heroin one time
maybe you could try percocet and ritalin one time?

Ritalin of course has a high somewhat similar to meth and percocet a high pretty damn similar to heroin. ( I can vouch for the percocet heroin comparison )

Meth is for people that have been addicted to ritalin, adderall, and dexedrine etc for years.

heroin is for people who have been addicted to vicodin, oxycontin, morphine etc for years.

Ive done about all opiates in all ROAs and THEY ALL FEEL PRETTY DAMN SIMILAR, BUT HEROIN IS MUCH MORE DANGEROUS.

IV heroin does have its own charm but you really really don't want to pick up a needle at 18.

 

[cmeloni81]

Yeah dude going straight to heroin with no other opiate experience is gonna either leave you throwing up for hours, knock you out, get you to a hospital, or get you dead. Meth might be the most overrated drug in the history of mankind, Its cheap, nasty, and the effect, well just not all that, except you just don't want the comedown so you will keep getting more. So then you are broke never got a good high and you can't sleep(uuugggghhh). Listen you are gonna get high me telling you this or not, but being a long time opiate addict, this is not a street you wanna cross. However, if you are gonna do it anyway start with some Percs or Vikes (and I would end there too) so you don't kill yourself.

 

[Sweet P]

I live in the US, so we might be in the same country. Heroin is cut as shit, for sure, but that's not really my point, and you often times don't know what's in your meth anymore then you know what's in your heroin (although heroin does admittedly have a higher tendency to be cut since meth is usually in large shards instead of powder).

I've known plenty of adicts who I considered responsible users. People who managed their use, kept their life functioning perfectly well, were happy and knew when to stop. Addiction (coming from an addict's perspective) does harm the ability to use responsibly, but it doesn't destroy it. Also becoming a junkie isn't neccesarily part of using heroin.

My point is that heroin causes no organic damage. Meth will fuck you up. If you are a heavy user or even a weekend warrior with meth it will take its toll after years. When I used meth I used about once per month (for a week straight usually) for about 8 months, and it took a very noticable toll on me. Heroin won't do that. Heroin won't give you pancreatic cancer, it won't harm your dopamine levels, in short it won't cause damage to your mind or body. So I don't think that heroin should be portrayed as "just as nasty" as meth, because that's very clearly not true.

Also the post you were responding to made some decent points in a not so eloquent fashion (and it also said some stuff that's unfounded bullshit). Meth does cause brain damage and a lot of physical problems to boot, although the physical problems generally surface in the long term instead of short. Heroin is a lot more merciful, once you quit heroin you don't have to worry about the problems that use gave you, you don't have to be concerned with terrible depression and mental problems, you don't have to worry about how your body has deteriorated in 2 years as much as it should have in 20.

Also how is that guy's post the kind of stuff prohibitionists spread? I've never heard a prohibitionist recomend heroin over meth, and a lot of the concerns he put forth are realistic ones to expect due to meth. If you have to choose between the two, choose heroin, because they aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of nastyness if that's a word.

No, I'm a New Zealander. And unless you've got good sources, heroin is usually cut to shit. Meth in New Zealand is commonly known as "P" - which stands for pure, because much of it is very potent and uncut (or at least, cut very little). Hence the massive price for it; many times greater than what you'd pay for meth in the US. I used to help a biker gang cook meth, in the past when I was smoking/IV'ing a couple of grams a day, and they didn't cut the final product at all. (I'll just reinforce that was in the past, if any authorities happen to be reading this!)

Heroin does cause damage to the body, but yes, I agree not to the same extent of meth (I've now got kidney, liver and neurological damage from my years of heavy use). Heroin use can lead to collapsed veins and abscesses, chronic constipation, anorexia from lack of appetite (severe weight loss - not to be confused with anorexia nervosa, the eating disorder), poisoning and decreased organ functioning from contaminants, respiratory depression from an overdose, and of course, a physical dependence much greater than meth.

I compared the guy's post to prohibitionist propaganda because of all the things he said about meth - much of which was exaggerated or plain untrue.

 

[Sweet P]

exaggerations in your opinion.
my experiences with meth have been horrific to say the least. i'm not going to go into any details, but as a tweaker yourself, you should have a good idea or a general understanding at least.
i was doing opiates, including IV heroin before i got into meth.
the year and a half i was heavily using meth was the lowest point of my entire life. many times i was like totally devoid of emotion, especially after several days of no sleep.
just everything about it felt wrong, looking back at those days now is just scary.

guess everyones experiences can vary depending on how much your using and your state of mind to begin with, but heroin has been a lot gentler in my experience.

That's a far cry from your original post where you made all meth addicts out to be pathological liars and criminals who commit heinous crimes. Trust me, I know how bad meth can be - I've turned psychotic after using too much, my teeth are stained and rotten, my gums are receding severely, I've lost so much weight from not eating, and I've got organ and neurological damage which could stay with me for a very long time. Last time I tried IV'ing heroin (black tar), I got a nasty abscess and cotton fever. I also know heroin addicts who have lost the veins in their arms, and now inject into their neck (among other places)... very dangerous. To me, both drugs are equally nasty but in different ways.

 

[Aok]

I would tell you that your young and have a long time to travel these paths. Heroin and Meth are kind of the end of the drug road, theres lots more to experience in between.

Ritalin of course has a high somewhat similar to meth and percocet a high pretty damn similar to heroin. ( I can vouch for the percocet heroin comparison)

I completely agree with that statement about those two drugs.
~What I'm curious about now is Ritalin. One of my sons is doing time because of heroin addiction. He was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and mild OCD since he was 4. He hated taking Ritalin. When the nurse at school used to make him take it, she would have to inspect his mouth to make sure he swallowed it. He said he couldn't stand the way it made him feel, like a walking zombie. So why would he want to use oxy's and heroin if he spent years fighting the Ritalin? He also told me once that smoking crack made him feel calm. I told him how crazy that sounded. When my ex begged me to do it with him 25 years ago, the last thing I felt was calm! I wonder if that really happens to people with ADD? Anyone else out there experience that too? I'm very interested in finding that out.

 

[sleeping pains]

Idk if I agree w/ what I said actually – drunken self-righteous, sry. I gotta say ho that stims don’t cause physical w/d, but Ime they destroy your life much more than opiates, that's the one thing.

also, I’ve tried heroin just a little bit, and only very recently – but again Ime so far it hasn’t been much more than a really really strong opiate.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Meth and heroin have great euphoria. Don't use them unless you know you don't have an addictive personality, please.

 

[Violenza666]

Meth is just a yucky yucky feeling and you're better off not even messing with it. Heroin is great, however like the captain said if you have an addictive personality don't mess with either. Use a drug, don't let a drug use you. Good luck!