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Heroin addiction....possible recreation?
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liquidocean
Bluelighter
yes i'm sure you can be a responsible user of _____________. I think it is totally irresponsible, though, to have the typical response of BANG METH! to people enquiring on things they have little idea of. SL55, i'm not bashing your experience, but there is a possibility that of any of us, we might try to convert others to follow our experiences and we might portray our experiences in an unfairly positive light so that we may avoid dissonance. I have justified behavior on my part before. It's like converting others to your dogmatic religion so that you can be assured that you're following the 'right path'.
Any open-minded serious drug user should keep themselves open to the idea that they may be over or close to the edge. Anything sounding like a vehement denial, should be taken with some concern.
The benefits from drugs are rather obvious. The buzz, the high; it usually does not take any work or skill to feel it. It's the potential pitfalls, dangers, and traps that should be discussed, and the tendency in this forum is a macho reflex reaction that hard drugs have been given a bad rap, and that if you can't take it, you were going to be weeded out by natural selection eventually, basically challenging someone to prove their manhood by their ingestion of dangerous substances, a very fratboy attitude.
Sure, meth & heroin get bad raps, and MJ is the favorite son. However, consider what you say and how it effects people. That's it, chill out.
Any open-minded serious drug user should keep themselves open to the idea that they may be over or close to the edge. Anything sounding like a vehement denial, should be taken with some concern.
The benefits from drugs are rather obvious. The buzz, the high; it usually does not take any work or skill to feel it. It's the potential pitfalls, dangers, and traps that should be discussed, and the tendency in this forum is a macho reflex reaction that hard drugs have been given a bad rap, and that if you can't take it, you were going to be weeded out by natural selection eventually, basically challenging someone to prove their manhood by their ingestion of dangerous substances, a very fratboy attitude.
Sure, meth & heroin get bad raps, and MJ is the favorite son. However, consider what you say and how it effects people. That's it, chill out.
my OPINION - its a crap-shoot! it takes a deliberate and steady course of action to become physically addicted to h. but some people just psychologically gravitate to it after trying it - like it "completes" them... they DELIBERATELY get physically addicted. many, like some of my friends, try it, whatever, or try it several times over a spread of time - never ever taking a dosage course that would get them physically addicted. personally, i find it a bit boring, like my friends that have tried it here and there...
but its a crap-shoot in my opinion, if your one of those people that i don't understand - (not out of no compassion or whatever - i mean i just don't get it! - the whole attraction to h - i don't have it - in many ways its more fun smokin' a bowl & i would never want to feel like that every week/much less every day)... but if your one of those that just can't stop yourself from doin' it everyday, 3-times a day, for a month or so.....until your physically addicted and probably have permanently changed brain chemistry????
not putting those people down, really??? ...
well.... i just don't get it - it IS a deliberate action.
no matter how good it is for YOU, u can make a decision to try it once and never again!
but....????????????????????
but its a crap-shoot in my opinion, if your one of those people that i don't understand - (not out of no compassion or whatever - i mean i just don't get it! - the whole attraction to h - i don't have it - in many ways its more fun smokin' a bowl & i would never want to feel like that every week/much less every day)... but if your one of those that just can't stop yourself from doin' it everyday, 3-times a day, for a month or so.....until your physically addicted and probably have permanently changed brain chemistry????
not putting those people down, really??? ...
well.... i just don't get it - it IS a deliberate action.
no matter how good it is for YOU, u can make a decision to try it once and never again!
but....????????????????????
my whole problem with is it or isnt it, is that you will not know if the drug will become addicting to you until its to late, i dont know any addict who went in thinking "why yes this drug will become the bain of my existance but hey why not"
i have only taken brown heroin, and always smoked it. i think there's a good way to keep it on a safe level and not become addicted to it. like all drugs the heroin is fun and nice when not used to often. taking it only on certain occasions would keep it on a nice level. abuse it to often and you will have to use shitloads of it, and will probably end up addicted.
//bTs
//bTs
SpeedLimit55
Bluelighter
Liquid - Point well taken...it seems no matter what we're going to continue to disagree on a few aspects...no need to beat a dead horse...however...
-Cold.Hard.Facts.-
Granted, this forum is well known to be the coldest of the forums, but our facts (our = moderators) are ALWAYS dead on. We have MORE than enough information to back up ANY and EVERY statement we make.
We are assholes most of the time. But that doesn't change the fact that we always give SAFE and ACCURATE information...albeit a bit rude at times, but we do our jobs and do them well.
Besides you'd be a bit jaded too if you put up with the shit we do. Plus we're losers and have no life...we're taking our anger out on YOU!
So I apologize for jumping down yer throat, but your statements are without basis. There is no fratboy muscle flexing going on. People ask a question, we give the ACCURATE information, and we tack on our opinion on the end...we leave the final choice to the individual user.
I would much rather get ACCURATE information and be called a l4m3r, then have someone poetically kiss my ass and have it cost me my life.
You are a very well respected person on this board, and it's for good reason. However, no offense, but your sensitivity and poeticism is better suited for your forum...
It is these type of statements that get under my skin. What basis do you have for making this statement? The 'typical' response in this forum is and has always been the same:
-Cold.Hard.Facts.-
Granted, this forum is well known to be the coldest of the forums, but our facts (our = moderators) are ALWAYS dead on. We have MORE than enough information to back up ANY and EVERY statement we make.
We are assholes most of the time. But that doesn't change the fact that we always give SAFE and ACCURATE information...albeit a bit rude at times, but we do our jobs and do them well.
Besides you'd be a bit jaded too if you put up with the shit we do. Plus we're losers and have no life...we're taking our anger out on YOU!
So I apologize for jumping down yer throat, but your statements are without basis. There is no fratboy muscle flexing going on. People ask a question, we give the ACCURATE information, and we tack on our opinion on the end...we leave the final choice to the individual user.
I would much rather get ACCURATE information and be called a l4m3r, then have someone poetically kiss my ass and have it cost me my life.
You are a very well respected person on this board, and it's for good reason. However, no offense, but your sensitivity and poeticism is better suited for your forum...
SpeedLimit55
Bluelighter
Liquid - Point well taken...it seems no matter what we're going to continue to disagree on a few aspects...no need to beat a dead horse...however...
-Cold.Hard.Facts.-
Granted, this forum is well known to be the coldest of the forums, but our facts (our = moderators) are ALWAYS dead on. We have MORE than enough information to back up ANY and EVERY statement we make.
We are assholes most of the time. But that doesn't change the fact that we always give SAFE and ACCURATE information...albeit a bit rude at times, but we do our jobs and do them well.
Besides you'd be a bit jaded too if you put up with the shit we do. Plus we're losers and have no life...we're taking our anger out on YOU!
So I apologize for jumping down yer throat, but your statements are without basis. There is no fratboy muscle flexing going on. People ask a question, we give the ACCURATE information, and we tack on our opinion on the end...we leave the final choice to the individual user.
I would much rather get ACCURATE information and be called a l4m3r, then have someone poetically kiss my ass and have it cost me my life.
You are a very well respected person on this board, and it's for good reason. However, no offense, but your sensitivity and poeticism is better suited for your forum...
It is these type of statements that get under my skin. What basis do you have for making this statement? The 'typical' response in this forum is and has always been the same:
-Cold.Hard.Facts.-
Granted, this forum is well known to be the coldest of the forums, but our facts (our = moderators) are ALWAYS dead on. We have MORE than enough information to back up ANY and EVERY statement we make.
We are assholes most of the time. But that doesn't change the fact that we always give SAFE and ACCURATE information...albeit a bit rude at times, but we do our jobs and do them well.
Besides you'd be a bit jaded too if you put up with the shit we do. Plus we're losers and have no life...we're taking our anger out on YOU!
So I apologize for jumping down yer throat, but your statements are without basis. There is no fratboy muscle flexing going on. People ask a question, we give the ACCURATE information, and we tack on our opinion on the end...we leave the final choice to the individual user.
I would much rather get ACCURATE information and be called a l4m3r, then have someone poetically kiss my ass and have it cost me my life.
You are a very well respected person on this board, and it's for good reason. However, no offense, but your sensitivity and poeticism is better suited for your forum...
well SPECIAL K:
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my whole problem with is
it or isnt it, is that
you will not know if the
drug will become addicting
to you until its to late,
i dont know any addict who
went in thinking "why yes
this drug will become the
bain of my existance but
hey why not"
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isn't that true of most drugs!!!?? many people do cocaine & E recreationally, and some try it and just lose it! the only difference with h is that if u PSYCOLOGICALLY lose it - the physiological harm & addiction is much worse (well narcotics are the only TRUE physically addictive drugs)so.... yes, i am stigmatizing psychological addition cuz it is a choice! even if u do h & it "completes" u and u want to do it all the time cuz it is the best thing that ever happened to u, at that point, u are not addicted - esp physically (no where near!) u will not have withdrawals, etc.... it is still a CONSCIOUS DECISION to continue to ingest this drug on a schedule that u KNOW will eventually make u addicted! maybe these people just can't help themselves???? at this early stage in experimentation i doubt it. they just don't care - it is a selfish reaction.... getting high is more important than your responsibilities - work, school, career, family, health, whatever.... now this is completely different than when u get to the point that u ARE truly addicted. it doesn't just happen, it takes work. that's why h and other hard drugs get a bad rap - its not the drug, its the person... i'm sorry if this offends anyone or seems harsh... i've just seen it... the differences in my various friends'/acquaintances attitudes and CHOICES. ok, i will admit this, u definitely take a chance that u will become psychologically addicted because u can't help yourself for whatever reason..by trying it & then the physical addiction sets in. but i believe that most people who are in tune with their mind and body & have goals in their life will know whether they are at risk or not. don't do it if u :exhibit psychological dependency issues with other drugs, exhibit addictive personality with other things like food or sex/etc, if u are not fully aware of your mind and body w/ full awareness of the risks of the drug, have no will control, binge party w/ guilt afterwards/etc/etc, if u are depressed!!; if u are a well-functioning, level-headed, goal-oriented, contributing member of society... i believe your risk is low.... i'm sorry to say this, another stereotype, but most who become addicted lets say even to like crack - don't have goals, don't have serious responsibilities that they intend to honor, they just party.
looking to fill a void not filled otherwise by a productive and satisfying life. crack is NOT addictive physically. i know people - crazy - that do it all the time recreationally and never miss a step in their busy lives.
well, this is my longwinded OPINION! from my personal and vicarious experience.
[This message has been edited by split_oak (edited 24 May 2001).]
quote:
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my whole problem with is
it or isnt it, is that
you will not know if the
drug will become addicting
to you until its to late,
i dont know any addict who
went in thinking "why yes
this drug will become the
bain of my existance but
hey why not"
-----------------------------------------
isn't that true of most drugs!!!?? many people do cocaine & E recreationally, and some try it and just lose it! the only difference with h is that if u PSYCOLOGICALLY lose it - the physiological harm & addiction is much worse (well narcotics are the only TRUE physically addictive drugs)so.... yes, i am stigmatizing psychological addition cuz it is a choice! even if u do h & it "completes" u and u want to do it all the time cuz it is the best thing that ever happened to u, at that point, u are not addicted - esp physically (no where near!) u will not have withdrawals, etc.... it is still a CONSCIOUS DECISION to continue to ingest this drug on a schedule that u KNOW will eventually make u addicted! maybe these people just can't help themselves???? at this early stage in experimentation i doubt it. they just don't care - it is a selfish reaction.... getting high is more important than your responsibilities - work, school, career, family, health, whatever.... now this is completely different than when u get to the point that u ARE truly addicted. it doesn't just happen, it takes work. that's why h and other hard drugs get a bad rap - its not the drug, its the person... i'm sorry if this offends anyone or seems harsh... i've just seen it... the differences in my various friends'/acquaintances attitudes and CHOICES. ok, i will admit this, u definitely take a chance that u will become psychologically addicted because u can't help yourself for whatever reason..by trying it & then the physical addiction sets in. but i believe that most people who are in tune with their mind and body & have goals in their life will know whether they are at risk or not. don't do it if u :exhibit psychological dependency issues with other drugs, exhibit addictive personality with other things like food or sex/etc, if u are not fully aware of your mind and body w/ full awareness of the risks of the drug, have no will control, binge party w/ guilt afterwards/etc/etc, if u are depressed!!; if u are a well-functioning, level-headed, goal-oriented, contributing member of society... i believe your risk is low.... i'm sorry to say this, another stereotype, but most who become addicted lets say even to like crack - don't have goals, don't have serious responsibilities that they intend to honor, they just party.
looking to fill a void not filled otherwise by a productive and satisfying life. crack is NOT addictive physically. i know people - crazy - that do it all the time recreationally and never miss a step in their busy lives.
well, this is my longwinded OPINION! from my personal and vicarious experience.
[This message has been edited by split_oak (edited 24 May 2001).]
liquidocean
Bluelighter
points taken 55, i just hope that when people lean towards encouraging hard drug use or downplaying the potential dangers, they realize that this extends beyond the internet and this may drastically effect people's lives. One over enthusiastically positive opinion found on a message board by a potentially biased or bulletproof user may go against all real-world survival conditioning and common sense, not to mention the concern of friends and family.
I've seen enough people who have put forth opinions that express concern be shot down, and have seen risky behavior deified.
It's one thing to flex an ego, it's another thing to give a thumbs up to an activity that can potentially ruin someone's life. I think it's a good thing to err on the conservative side, even if you manage to be lucky and avoid major problems.
We may be able to escape the pitfalls of use, but consider in the midst of depression, joblessness, or times of stress, we can be more weak and prone to disaster.
just keeping our eyes open to both sides
I've seen enough people who have put forth opinions that express concern be shot down, and have seen risky behavior deified.
It's one thing to flex an ego, it's another thing to give a thumbs up to an activity that can potentially ruin someone's life. I think it's a good thing to err on the conservative side, even if you manage to be lucky and avoid major problems.
We may be able to escape the pitfalls of use, but consider in the midst of depression, joblessness, or times of stress, we can be more weak and prone to disaster.
just keeping our eyes open to both sides
SpeedLimit55
Bluelighter
Excellent. I couldn't agree with you more.
BTW- Thank you for responding in a mature fashion. It's nice to know there are members on this board who can handle a little confrontation without creating a new account and calling names...
BTW- Thank you for responding in a mature fashion. It's nice to know there are members on this board who can handle a little confrontation without creating a new account and calling names...
make no mistake.... i am NOT encouraging the use of h... it is very dangerous! i just want to get at the truth about it and not let people castigate others that have tried it successfully as idiots, or junkies...
it varies from person to person & IS a councious decision to play with it too much!
i would not encourage anyone to try it necessarily... just that it is the person, not the drug that gets u into trouble.... know the risks and the truth
sorry if i seemed pro-h.... i am NOT
it varies from person to person & IS a councious decision to play with it too much!
i would not encourage anyone to try it necessarily... just that it is the person, not the drug that gets u into trouble.... know the risks and the truth
sorry if i seemed pro-h.... i am NOT
make no mistake.... i am NOT encouraging the use of h... it is very dangerous! i just want to get at the truth about it and not let people castigate others that have tried it successfully as idiots, or junkies...
it varies from person to person & IS a concious decision to play with it too much!
i would not encourage anyone to try it necessarily... just that it is the person, not the drug that gets u into trouble.... know the risks and the truth
sorry if i seemed pro-h.... i am NOT
but "erring on the side of conservatism" is tempering the TRUTH which is what i though this board was about in the 1st place!
i am not for people trying heroin, but i'm not gonna put out some ant-drug bullshit propaganda about it to save a few people from THEIR CHOICE of addiction
no "thumbs up", but lets be honest and truthful.... if somebody uses the truth about h as an excuse to ignore the OBVIOUS dangers and horrible consequences, then that's their fault... i am not going to become bullshit propaganda agent & lie to save these fools... if we did that here... why don't we just turn this page into a anti-drug, government propaganda page.
h is dangerous and can ruin lives... but it does not happen the way the propaganda purports!
it varies from person to person & IS a concious decision to play with it too much!
i would not encourage anyone to try it necessarily... just that it is the person, not the drug that gets u into trouble.... know the risks and the truth
sorry if i seemed pro-h.... i am NOT
but "erring on the side of conservatism" is tempering the TRUTH which is what i though this board was about in the 1st place!
i am not for people trying heroin, but i'm not gonna put out some ant-drug bullshit propaganda about it to save a few people from THEIR CHOICE of addiction
no "thumbs up", but lets be honest and truthful.... if somebody uses the truth about h as an excuse to ignore the OBVIOUS dangers and horrible consequences, then that's their fault... i am not going to become bullshit propaganda agent & lie to save these fools... if we did that here... why don't we just turn this page into a anti-drug, government propaganda page.
h is dangerous and can ruin lives... but it does not happen the way the propaganda purports!
PhreeX
Bluelight Crew
Sorry, I gotta close this... we have a holy war here... no one is changing anyones mind, so have your views ... sorry..
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