Social Justice Here we go again: Killing of Rayshard Brooks by Atlanta police

[Jabberwocky]

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That's not justifying. Justifying is saying that it's right and okay for this reason.
verb

show or prove to be right or reasonable.
"the person appointed has fully justified our confidence"
Hey, why didn't you answer about the statistics? You got something to say?

 

[mal3volent]

So saying "once you do this - expect to be shot" is not attempting to "show to be reasonable" the actions of the cops?

 

[Deru]

I never claimed so, but neither did he. Seems like you made up what he justifies and what not just to get mad at him. Looks like you have some personal feelings for him and that's why you reacted this way. Even if he's baiting, you took the bait big time and made yourself look much worse than he did himself.

I didn't make myself look worse, and honestly, what is it you're attempting here?

 

[Deru]

@mal3volent I'm convinced those two are trolls, I mean, they obviously are not interested in civil, productive discussion. Especially @DeadManWalkin' , I've seen him troll other threads with the waste of time he does with nit picking threads to cause conflict. At least @JGrimez offers contributions to the actual content, somewhat.

It honestly makes it very difficult to have discussions and debates of substance with the mess and clutter it causes.

 

[Tubbs]

So did anyone ever see them frisk the guy.... who knows, including the cop, what he had on his person.... yeah he took the cops tazer... then ran, turns around and points a weapon at the officer.... assuming it's a tazer and not a gun he had in his waistband is how you die....

 

[Jabberwocky]

@mal3volent I'm convinced those two are trolls, I mean, they obviously are not interested in civil, productive discussion. Especially @DeadManWalkin' , I've seen him troll other threads with the waste of time he does with nit picking threads to cause conflict. At least @JGrimez offers contributions to the actual content, somewhat.

It honestly makes it very difficult to have discussions and debates of substance with the mess and clutter it causes.

I just pointed it out.
And exactly where have you seen me troll? Have read my actual posts?
Completely reasonable and backed up by evidence. If we don't have same opinions, maybe one of us spends time looking actual numbers and another one stares at TV screen. We not having same opinions is not trolling. Nitpicking threads? Sure man. Why are you so salty?
I find it to be trolling, that somebody doesn't actually read the evidence you ask for and then leaves the situation like it never happened, because he has shown to be in wrong. But hey, showing out facts is trolling

 

[Deru]

So did anyone ever see them frisk the guy

Yes, there are photographs of him up against the vehicle and being patted down - and it was heavily discussed as part of the reasoning the officer was terminated. It was blatantly obvious the police officer broke procedure for use of lethal force, which is why the decision to terminate him was able to be made so quickly.

 

[Deru]

I just pointed it out.
And exactly where have you seen me troll? Have read my actual posts?
Completely reasonable and backed up by evidence. If we don't have same opinions, maybe one of us spends time looking actual numbers and another one stares at TV screen. We not having same opinions is not trolling. Nitpicking threads? Sure man. Why are you so salty?
I find it to be trolling, that somebody doesn't actually read the evidence you ask for and then leaves the situation like it never happened, because he has shown to be in wrong. But hey, showing out facts is trolling

The only one who looks like a fool, and I can promise you, you're not as intelligent as your poorly worded hypothetical questions disguised as accusations portray you to be, is yourself. You are missing complete context of the message you decided to interject in with someone else, which was a continuation of a long conversation we had in another thread, and some of it was moved here.

I have no issue with having differences of opinions, and I welcome civil, intelligent discussion and debates.

My issue with @JGrimez is a lot of times, if you had any context with the thread we were talking in, is sometimes it seems he isn't very open to debate and just wants to convey his views and opinions, and sometimes they are very ignorant and borderline inflammatory and inciteful.

So now, shall we discuss your passive/aggressive accusations disguised as hypothetical questions? Because, again, I promise you, you're completely missing the mark when it comes to who I am and how I operate. It appears the only one here who is assuming is yourself, because, where is your evidence to back any of those accusations up?

 

[Jabberwocky]

The only one who looks like a fool, and I can promise you, you're not as intelligent as your poorly worded hypothetical questions disguised as accusations portray you to be, is yourself. You are missing complete context of the message you decided to interject in with someone else, which was a continuation of a long conversation we had in another thread, and some of it was moved here.

Well, the way that your sentence was formed doesn't prove very high intelligence from your part neither. Poorly worded? English isn't my native language, but i can still tell that your first sentence is terrible.
Would you like to have conversation in my language?
Also, why are you so salty towards me? I just pointed out an error and you got super salty. Your promises or premises about my intelligence don't make sense and if i took them seriously i could consider myself an actual sub-human. Attacking intelligence is an argument fallacy. Well, all personal attacks are.
There could have been misunderstanding and if i acted based on that i have made a mistake.
Would you like to explain me the situation then, so i could maybe understand it better?

 

[Deru]

Poorly worded?

For this, I apologize. I didn't mean literally poorly worded, I meant the actual wording of accusations disguised as hypothetical questions. See how important context is though, because now that I know English isn't your first language, I have noticed others word sentences similarly - where it's not so much an accusation hidden as a question, it may just be the difference in languages.

Also, why are you so salty towards me? I just pointed out an error and you got super salty

But it wasn't an error though, and the way you approached it was not helpful. It was something you perceived incorrect, that does not make it incorrect. However, yes, my post did show my frustration with @JGrimez , but again it really needs to be assessed with the context of the previous thread and discussion in there. If you read through that thread, no one can deny, I tried my hardest to further civil discussion with him - and that ultimately wasn't what he was interested in. It seems these threads serve more of a system for him to just vent his frustrations, which is problematic for obvious reasons.

Would you like to explain me the situation then, so i could maybe understand it better?

I did, you may need to refresh the page because I think you're only seeing a portion of my post if that's all it showed (I expanded on the initial post)

 

[Jabberwocky]

For this, I apologize. I didn't mean literally poorly worded, I meant the actual wording of accusations disguised as hypothetical questions.



I did, you may need to refresh the page because I think you're only seeing a portion of my post if that's all it showed (I expanded on the initial post)

Point out the "accusations" you meant and we can clear them up. I have way of speaking very straightforward, so i don't really understand your point here. I meant what i said.
"I have no issue with having differences of opinions, and I welcome civil, intelligent discussion and debates."
Attacking my intelligence, calling me a troll and telling me i'm hiding something behind my writings. I wish you were telling the truth when you say that i'm missing the point but for now, it feels like i'm actually getting the point and this is just distraction from it. However, i'm open to changing my mind and i will read your posts with thought.
I actually read sources too if somebody sends them to me
"He isn't very open to debate and just wants to convey his views and opinions, and sometimes they are very ignorant and borderline inflammatory and inciteful." This might be true, i have never seen this guys other posts, but i just couldn't but start thinking about @mal3volent when i heard that.

 

[Deru]

Attacking my intelligence, calling me a troll and telling me i'm hiding something behind my writings

As I just mentioned, I don't think you were hiding accusations - I think it is a translation issue. Which also clears up the intelligence, I wasn't say you are not intelligent, I was saying you're not as intelligent/sneaky as you think - but again, I think it's just an issue with language differences.

That also somewhat clears up the trolling part too, there was a lack of context from not understanding the prior conversation nuances, and then I also had no context that English wasn't your first language, so I assumed some things I shouldn't have as well.

With all that said, I think we got off to a really bad start, and I apologize for any misunderstandings on my part.

 

[Jabberwocky]

As I just mentioned, I don't think you were hiding accusations - I think it is a translation issue. Which also clears up the intelligence, I wasn't say you are not intelligent, I was saying you're not as intelligent/sneaky as you think - but again, I think it's just an issue with language differences.

That also somewhat clears up the trolling part too, there was a lack of context from not understanding the prior conversation nuances, and then I also had no context that English wasn't your first language, so I assumed some things I shouldn't have as well.

With all that said, I think we got off to a really bad start, and I apologize for any misunderstandings on my part.

I apologize too.
Best regards.

 

[mal3volent]

Let's all just take a breath guys. We have to remember this is a forum where tons of different views are expressed from all walks of life. I come here for fun and to blow off steam, I assume it's the same for others as well.

 

[Deru]

After watching this footage of him and the officer having a civil, non aggressive conversation, this makes his killing even more completely pointless, and regardless of how one may feel about complying with an officers (unjustified or otherwise) commands, this man did not deserve to be shot in the back and murdered by the police officer.

 

[JGrimez]

Probably but what needs to be admitted is that his actions directly led to his own death. Worth noting how many police are murdered by suspects. What I feel is that a lot of liberals literally value the life of a criminal over that of a policeman. I don't like police but most of the laws they enforce are there for a reason and overall they keep our society safer. We don't reform the police by elevating criminals.

I was debating with someone and she actually said "I think that we should consider that this guy was at a much higher risk of getting a longer jail sentence than a white person, which may explain why he acted so erratically and tried to get away, whereas a person with no priors and money for a lawyer would just go to court, he realistically could be facing jail time."

So it's the fault of white supremacy that this guy drove drunk and then tried to tase a cop.

 

[LadyAlkaline]

Has anyone stopped to consider that the fellow who was shot may have been heavily under the influence of drugs and was in fight or flight mode due to fear caused by George Floyd’s death?

I fought the police once because I was fucking terrified of them. There were 6 of them and one of me in the middle of the night on a dark street. I had to be sedated and wrestled onto a stretcher.

Fight or flight knows no logic. It is a primitive state that keeps us alive.

Edit: and for those of you saying, "oh the white girl didn't get shot!"

I almost got shot. A weapon was unholstered. It was traumatic and that's as far as I'll get into it.

 

[JessFR]

It looks like (based on the recording) when brooks tried to shoot the officer with the taser, the taser partially missed. One barb hit the officer the other didn't. As a result the officer felt the barb hit him but was otherwise unaffected.

This also means that when he opened fire, brooks posed zero threat to him. He was running away, he knew the other officer was behind him as support, he knew the taser had been discharged and had missed.

Now I understand that it's a lot to expect someone to process all that and make a split second decision, but when you get down to it, the officer shot a feeding suspect who had no ability to further harm him at that time.

That's not lawful self defense. I suspect any good lawyer would rip him to shreds.

 

[JessFR]

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Edit: and for those of you saying, "oh the white girl didn't get shot!"

I almost got shot. A weapon was unholstered. It was traumatic and that's as far as I'll get into it.

As an example.

Killing of Justine Damond - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Has anyone stopped to consider that the fellow who was shot may have been heavily under the influence of drugs and was in fight or flight mode due to fear caused by George Floyd’s death?

Unfortunately that excuse only works when it's the cops making it.

The argument being that the cops have dangerous jobs and so it makes more sense for them to always be hypervigilant.

Whereas the regular citizen doesn't have any reason to be so afraid around the cops....

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[JGrimez]

Has anyone stopped to consider that the fellow who was shot may have been heavily under the influence of drugs and was in fight or flight mode due to fear caused by George Floyd’s death?

He was drunk and that possibly led to his stupid decision-making (he was drink driving after all) but let's be honest - by now, everyone knows what to do and how not to act to get yourself killed.
He fucked up (put innocent public life at risk by drink driving), deserved to be arrested and then refused to take responsibility for his actions.
Running away is one thing, but taking an officer's weapon and firing it at him is grounds to be shot.

Now I understand that it's a lot to expect someone to process all that and make a split second decision,

Exactly. It's the suspect's fault for putting the cop in that situation.