TRC042
Greenlighter
Me: not a drug user, just have known a lot of them. New here. I'm helping a family member (he lives with me) get off suboxone and get clean; he came to the decision to get clean on his own.
He was addicted to heroin about 4 years ago. Was put on subox by a clinic to stop heroin use; gradually got bumped to very high dose (which seems to happen with subox). The subox eventually had him feeling dope-sick half the day despite the very high dose he had. So he recently decided to get off everything. And made a plan to do so: use oxy (currently 90mg/day at day 10) to get the subox out of system, use Methoxetamine to control withdrawal symptoms when going cold turkey off oxy. Will have enough Methoxetamine for about 5-6 days. Then absolutely nothing.
I was with him when he relapsed a couple of months back; went off the subox and used heroin. Going back on the subox caused precipitated withdrawal: I literally held his hand for 2-3 days straight. He was in agony. (Kudos to the MD who started a subozone forum - we wouldn't have made it without their page on Precipitated Withdrawal). I assume the withdrawal from the oxy will not be much better. But at least it won't as bad as the precipitated withdrawal - that was hell. Came inches from calling 911.
I've read a lot of posts by longtime Suboxone users stating that getting off suboxone was 10X harder than getting off opiates - the withdrawal symptoms are claimed to be much more severe. There's no way he's going to 'taper down' from the oxy. He's honest enough with himself about that and I think he's right. He says he can tolerate puking his guts out and being hellishly sick for a few days, but will never make it through a gradual tapering.
The hope is the Ketamine analogue will work better than clonodine, immodium, and hot baths. But I need to know a lot more. Will post something on the B&D Methoxetamine thread as well.
Can clonodine and immodium be used safely with Methoxetamine? Is there anything else (such as Benadryl) that should be avoided? What are the warning signs that the Methoxetamine is causing life-threatening side effects? Can you become addicted to Methoxetamine in 5 days? Etc.
Would like to hear from anyone who has used Methoxetamine to deal with opiate withdrawal. PMs welcome.
He was addicted to heroin about 4 years ago. Was put on subox by a clinic to stop heroin use; gradually got bumped to very high dose (which seems to happen with subox). The subox eventually had him feeling dope-sick half the day despite the very high dose he had. So he recently decided to get off everything. And made a plan to do so: use oxy (currently 90mg/day at day 10) to get the subox out of system, use Methoxetamine to control withdrawal symptoms when going cold turkey off oxy. Will have enough Methoxetamine for about 5-6 days. Then absolutely nothing.
I was with him when he relapsed a couple of months back; went off the subox and used heroin. Going back on the subox caused precipitated withdrawal: I literally held his hand for 2-3 days straight. He was in agony. (Kudos to the MD who started a subozone forum - we wouldn't have made it without their page on Precipitated Withdrawal). I assume the withdrawal from the oxy will not be much better. But at least it won't as bad as the precipitated withdrawal - that was hell. Came inches from calling 911.
I've read a lot of posts by longtime Suboxone users stating that getting off suboxone was 10X harder than getting off opiates - the withdrawal symptoms are claimed to be much more severe. There's no way he's going to 'taper down' from the oxy. He's honest enough with himself about that and I think he's right. He says he can tolerate puking his guts out and being hellishly sick for a few days, but will never make it through a gradual tapering.
The hope is the Ketamine analogue will work better than clonodine, immodium, and hot baths. But I need to know a lot more. Will post something on the B&D Methoxetamine thread as well.
Can clonodine and immodium be used safely with Methoxetamine? Is there anything else (such as Benadryl) that should be avoided? What are the warning signs that the Methoxetamine is causing life-threatening side effects? Can you become addicted to Methoxetamine in 5 days? Etc.
Would like to hear from anyone who has used Methoxetamine to deal with opiate withdrawal. PMs welcome.
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