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Addiction Help with Managing Symptoms Two Months Off Heroin

Ljr

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I'm a girl I've just turned 18 and two months ago I came off herion after being dependant for a year

I was taking dfs to help the rattle (cold turkey) and became dependant on those aswell if your careful with dfs it does take some of the pain away and a little tiny minor cravings away

it also helps you sleep a bit as does clonidine that also takes palpitations and irritability away slightly so I went cold turkey after that and didn't even take valllies or anything to help with the horror of it all I'm now 100% clean which I did on my own while my 37 year old mum was dying in hospital

at the age of 17 I was smoking herion everyday about 3 bags a day and crack at least twice a week I remember getting hot and cold sweats for at least 6 weeks after my detox and feeling really lethargic

I seemed to exchange my habit for smoking weed everyday which is obviously nothing towards gear it just helps me forget but nothing's made me want to go back to gear as I'm scared of the w/d

is it abnormal for someone my age to have a dependency like this?

Plus I have dihydocodiene in my drawer which I've refrained from taking to avoid w/d it's been over two months now can I at least take a 60mg df? I'll be posting more on here
 
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I don't have any wisdom on the dihydocodiene etc. But I'll be reading your journal closely, and hopefully I can offer some legit help soon.

Best luck!
 
I don't have any experience with DHC but if you have been dependent on opioids before (which it sounds like you have) it will be incredibly difficult (right there next to impossible) to use them responsibly in any recreational way. Or what I meant to say is that, if you've already experienced dependency (i.e. developed tolerance; kicked and gone through acute withdrawal), it isn't realistic at all to think you will be able to use without the same kinds of consequences happening (or worse).

Anyways, enough of that.

It is not at all abnormal for someone your age to have a dependency like that. There are many, many other girls in your place OP. I have a number of friends who started using heroin well before you did for that matter; it's all relative.

What do you think is leading you to think about using DHC? For fun, to manage stress, mood disregulation, etc?

Are you concerned that if you take DHC once, since you were dependent before, that it will send you into withdrawal again? That won't happen. But what will happen is that you very well might end up feeling so good that the use triggers you to seek out future opioid use instead of addressing other, more important concerns in your young adult life.
 
First off welcome to Sober Living, and congratulations on 2 months clean from heroin.

You're very young but I hope you can take even 1 small bit of advice, and we'll have done some good here.

DHC didn't really do much for me, I had a good connect for oxy... this was back when I could get IR oxy without worrying about fentanyl / carfentanil. Keep in mind the cravings will likely stay for a long time -- it's up to you to replace them with more productive hobbies.

It's definitely better to be smoking weed than to do heroin + crack, both from a personal health and social stigma standpoint. I always feel the need to post what prolonged crack usage can do to your respiratory system:

http://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.274065144

To reiterate what toothpastedog said: "What do you think is leading you to think about using DHC? For fun, to manage stress, mood disregulation, etc?"

Also did your mother pass away in hospital? That would be a very tough thing for anyone to deal with. And have you graduated from high school?
 
Thankyou so much for the reply toothpastedog I appreciate the time and effort that has been put into the post I wish I would of gone on this website while I was using as it would of given me more support while trying to stop

i started using herion as I get anxiety, I remember smoking my first few lines of gear and it took my anxiety away within 4 seconds it was almost like everything was really good like everything in my life was ok I had no worries and it became a thing I did just 4 times a week

I also started using crack as you usually can buy the two of the same person can't say I've ever been dependant on crack tho and I'd really enjoy smoking the gear after the crack as it took that edgy awake feeling away but still got a buzz of the White anyways So I'd smoke even more gear to help with the after math of the white

one morning I woke up at my boyfriends house who had no idea at the time that I'd even smoked herion or crack feeling hot but cold and my pupils looked like I'd just taken acid my heart was beating out my chest I felt like spiders where crawling through my legs and immediately was sick in the bed the first thing I did was call my mum and my mum also had a habit..she's had the habit for ten years and paid for detox around 6 times she knew what was wrong with me strait away (my mums dad also had a habit but he's deceased now he died from an overdose) and I drove home feeling rough as fuck scored nd smoked a couple of bags and I was fine this was a year and a half ago now but my habit all started with anxiety

while I was using even though I was dependant and never felt the high that much as I built up a tolerance I still didn't feel as anxious while I was addicted but now I'm clean it's like I'm anxious about everything

I left college as I was a user and it was difficult for me to keep up with reality if that makes sense I'm from the uk and I'm currently living with my nana as me and my mum used to live together just the two of us as we both had the same habit but she tried to kill herself as she felt responsible for my addiction and she knew I'd get help if she wasn't around and we'd both go cold turkey at least once every two/three weeks but always relapse If it wasn't for my mum having the accident I don't think I'd be clean, she drove into a tree at high speed and it crushed her the ambulance found her unconscious and she was in a coma for 3 weeks the hospital basically told me to make her funeral plans this was when I knew I had to change now my mum still remains in hospital but she's alive but she has got an ABI (acquired brain injury) the last time I took gear was the 8th November 2016

sorry ive wrote and explained more than I thought it's just nice to speak to people that can relate as the only person I could speak to about it was my mum but i can't atm and to answer the question the reason why I'd take the dhc is because I can't afford to score ahah and I'm feeling really anxious and it's the only substance I've got that might take it away

I hope I haven't written too much and gone on too much
 
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Thankyou for your message starting_over I really do appreciate the time you guys put in and dhc didn't do much for me either gear would be a preferred option but I do want to stay sober there's nothing really that makes me want to go back to scoring apart from my mood regulations and anxiety, at the time of me doing my cold turkey I was told by the hospital that my mum was dying and she was put on a DNR (do not resuscitate) at the age of 37 my mum is such a beautiful women she used to be a model and has long blonde hair blue eyes and big lips, but after her car accident she remains brain damaged in hospital and won't be coming out till 2 years as she had such a bad accident and yeah I've graduated from high school I went to a boarding school and left when I was 16 I applied for a college after that and half way through college I left as I became dependant on herion I've never used iv but t very nearly got to that point I always think to myself tho "just getting one bag won't do any harm" but I always stop myself as it's not worth it, I'm trying to look into going back to college but I feel like I need to gain so much more confidence and social skills to do so
 
Hello again Ljr! We are happy to be here for you.

First of all, wow, give yourself a pat on the back. You've been through some tough shit! Having a parent who struggles with their own issues with substance use is hard enough, but couple that with everything you must have suffered having to go through with your mother trying to take her own life and now having her in the hospital in such a serious condition cannot be easy. Parents are supposed to be there to look after and care for their children, not the other way around! It must be so hard :(

I am so glad you are with your grandmother. It is so important to have family support in this kind of stuff, ESPECIALLY at your age. What is your relationship like with your nana? Does she know anything about what you have been struggling with?

I hear yeah on using DHC instead of dope because it's all you can get. At least DHC will be a bit safer for you than heroin. Does it have any Tylenol/APAP or anything other than DHC in the tablets, or is it just straight DHC? If it has other ingredients make sure you learn how to safely take it using a CWE method or by taking low enough amounts of it so as not to damage your liver.

I also here you on the anxiety front - that is how I fell in love with opioids myself. The first opioid I ever did was methadone. I had no idea what I was taking, I was just like, "Gimme the pills man!" ;) A bit later I was hallucinating my eyes and ears off I was so high from just like 5mg of methadone, raising my fists in the air of my college's quad screaming, "I love methadone!" What a fool... (and thank god no one was around to hear/see me :\)

Opioids were awesome for me because they allowed me to function, particularly from the ages of 19-22, without having to deal with my challenges regarding anxiety. Like dirt swept under the rug, the anxiety was all still there though, merely masked. The opioids just held it down and made it manageable. The thing is, with something as demonized and criminalized as opioids in our cultures, sooner or later opioid use won't be manageable. Basically, if one keeps using heroin and opioids in a climate like the UK or US, at least (if not all) of the following will happen:

The stigma surrounding opioid use will cause you interpersonal or career problems;
There will be a very real possibility of getting involved with drug law enforcement, given the criminalized nature of what we choose to put in our bodies;
You will run into issues with biological health concerns, like assesses, HCV, vitamin deficiencies, and various other complications thanks to issues inherent using under the regime of drug prohibition;
You will develop mental health concerns, like PTSD, from the shit one must go through to be a part of that underground drug using scene;
And underlying mental health issues (such as your struggles with anxiety) will increase in severity if left unaddressed.

Basically, and I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you have a lot of hard work in front of you. I say this, because I can see something of myself in you. My 20's fucking sucked, but that is because they were entirely a struggle to get my head in the game of life after losing myself to the depravity of the war on drugs and substance use disorder. I didn't start working on myself until I was like 23, but it took a lot longer for me to really get my recovery under control - not until I was more like 27 or 28 - because I ended up seeking out help from people who had no business being allowed to help anyone.

I say this because you need to find yourself good, healthy supportive people to work with you. A mental health worker, a psychologist, a psychiatrist, a general practitioner, all these types of people can help you do a whole lot of good for yourself. Developing productive, meaningful relationships with such folks isn't easy, but it can be done if you area careful and have other people helping to give you feedback (whether on BL or elsewhere) who have been through that kind of thing before.

At the end of the day, getting back into the things you love is what is going to help you create the kind of life you want for yourself. It's all about where we place our attention, how we spend out time, energy and resources. If we spend all our time, money and efforts on getting the drugs we need to get high, instead of challenging ourselves and putting our resources into healthier pursuits (like community groups, hobbies, dance, art, music, schools, anything related to what brings you joy), we are just going to end up better at using drugs.

But if we focus our energy on healthier things (and frankly, you already know what some of these are - anything that is not unhealthy is health!), doesn't matter what the fuck they are or what anyone else fucking says about them, as long as they are healthy for us, we will end up healthier, more fulfilled and happier ourselves.

Next time you notice yourself getting really anxious and feel that impulse to use opioids to deal with the difficulties of that kind of uncomfortable mood state, try and remember that the anxiety is only temporary. It will pass. It always will pass. The thing is, that is just like how drug use works - it will feel really good if we use to cope with our anxiety, but those blissed out feelings will also always pass - and then we will just be left with our anxiety again, plus whatever damage we caused ourselves and others along the way.

Now, the good news is that people tend to age our of harmful patterns of drug use. When one is young, it is really difficult to give up momentary bliss and instant gratification when we're stressed out. Growing up (particularly for folks like us who struggle with anxious feelings), becoming an adult, is very much the process of learn to let go of needing to change thing now, of needing to run away from our present just because it makes us feel uncomfortable. The thing is, we don't need to feel alright. We can be alright even when we don't feel good, we can be safe even when we are sad; sometimes the best thing to do is nothing at all.

Have you ever heard of mindfulness? Or mindfulness based stress reduction? You would be an IDEAL candidate. I highly recommend you read Tara Broch's book Radical Acceptance and check out my MBHR thread.

Have you ever thought about getting on some kind of opioid replacement therapy outpatient program like buprenorphine or methadone? It could really benefit someone in your position, though it will still be a lot of work. Wishing you the best!

Today,
May you be safe and protected from harm,
May you be happy and content with what is,
May you be healthy and free from illness and disease,
May you be peaceful and live with ease;
May you love yourself,
Forever and always.

Keep your head up OP!
 
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