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Benzos Help to manage benzo usage/ tolerance/addiction/control over my refills

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Alright here goes,

The last 3 benzo pill fill I have done were disastrous. I get my valiums every 2 weeks, I asked for this when seeing my psychiatrist so I wouldn't end up 5-6 days without benzos when I'd have panic attacks. So he did that, and scripted me 15 .5mg xanax for the panic attacks, continuing to use valium (20mg a day, nothing noteworthy) as a background GAD medicine. I went through my last refill of 30 valiums 10mg in 4 days, trying to catch a high from suboxone, same when I got the 15 xanax, those were gone in 2 days. Then I saw my suboxone doctor, and thankfully they had records from my pharmacy showing my neurologist was also scripting me topamax (lol) and rivotril (clonaz) .5mg bid. When I started methadone last year, I was left with the choice of keeping one benzo out of two even if I "need" both. I gotta say the reason why I'm scripted clonazepam is a lot more sound and helpful for me. I'll get to that soon. Last detail, seeing that I had an appointment with my neurologist (who always renews me my scripts no question, I might be asking him for a rise to 1mg bid of clonazepam and get rid of the valium, keep in mind I haven't used clonaz as the background benzo since over a year). So she scripted me 15 .5mg clonaz and surprise surprise, 2 days later I was out of them. The mg dosage of each pill just isn't cutting it, I only feel it when I take 1.5mg minimum (I used to take 3mg a day until mid 2010 when I got sick of it and did a valium taper, but got stuck at 20mg).

I had forgotten how clonazepam was efficient for several of my health issues : clonazepam is used in neurology for seizures but also nerve pain and migraines, which I do get plenty since a decade, hence me getting to know the wonderful world of benzos 8) through a neurologist, not a shrink, that came later. It is very efficient at making the practical daily head pain go away and lift my mood magnitudes. I'm now on suboxone since a couple months and it finally stabilized my body...by that I mean...I'm now feeling normal again, no more opiate high and I've come to term with the fact that as long as I am on 10mg of suboxone a day and even if I was on less...I'll never be able to be high again. So here comes the real gist of the post, the first paragraph was background preemptive info.

When I get into one of those in-between-refills shit out of luck days my main symptoms are mild, because I've been in tolerance withdrawal for a long time now, getting into a lack of benzo for 5-6 days isn't as dramatic as it used to be for me. The worst symptoms are still nightmares and waking up feeling distressed for an hour at least, and if I have cigarettes I get my cool back. But I still am lacking sleep and getting terrible headaches again. But other than that, I don't feel constantly on the edge of losing my mind, which is WONDERFUL, I thought I'd never get out of that, it would drag on and on until I had my refill, but I imagine I have endured tolerance withdrawal (due to the methadone clinic cutting one of my 2 benzos back then), that I am now past that, is that possible even if I continue to use ?

About telling myself no, I have very reasonable reasons other than the beneficial neurological benefits benzo give me, to be using benzos, my life situation, mostly because of somebody else, is not awesome, I am in constant worrying, which is normal for me, I feel it is warranted. Which is why I eat them pills so fast, not only am I under-dosed, my life situation is incomprehensibly shitty (by lower middle-class standards ¬_¬).

I tried giving my pills to someone who will dispense them to me everyday at the correct dosage before, it worked, but then I felt like I didn't want to be on benzos everyday, I want benzos, and as many as possible/needed when panicking/waking up from a nightmare and going right back to sleep peacefully (those are my best moments in all honesty, waking up only to take 15-20mg of valium and go back to that hypnotic sleep while I am still feeling hypnopompia).

I just don't see how I can optimize my situation regarding my "minor" tranquilizers. Sometimes I think I should have NEVER told my psychiatrist I was sick of being on that much clonazepam (the 3mg a day I was on from 2007 to 2010), well no, I was on 2.5mg a day for a long time and it wasn't cutting it, 3mg was. And it did for several months then I remember watching some terrible news on tv and not giving a shit, thinking about my life and not giving a shit, and thinking how I was sick of feeling like a zombie. All of this might resolve itself when I'll visit my neurologist next month, who'll happily renew my scripts for a year and send me on my way, I feel like I'll have to force his hand to get more, but even then, it's been so long I've been taking .5mg bid (as far as he knows), a dosage increase is warranted.

I really missed clonazepam, it's massive muscle relaxant effect it has on me and slight drunkenness feeling...it's the only thing that eats away my constant background mini panic attack of a life.

Sorry if this was too wordy for you guys.
 
Dont know how much this will help...but I've noticed when I use my subutex / alcohol sublingual, (2-4 mg's) -
If I hold it in my mouth (around 20 minutes, lying down seems to work better) then spit it out, I do not get the headache and anxiety / panic feeling it occasionally gave me when I use to swallow it. (I know, "that what she said")
Hope it helps.

I realize my answer isnt any help to your benzo' questions...I'm actually on a valium taper.
 
Oh my god I got this you guys

I can SHOOT NALOXONE to get past this Nasty Dirty withdrawal.

It's like the final puzzle piece ; killing off extra receptors faster.

Question: what will I report ? I have no idea. Your guess is as good as anyone's.

If I had to pick a side; the NALOXONE will do NOTHING. I might be wrong.
 
I've actually been not swallowing my spit since a while Fire&Ice, so since I'm new to suboxone, it's normal to feel stressed out and not get any of the methadone's pain relief right? I often wonder why they even bother using bupe for pain what with the BuTrans patches and the Buprenex and the Temgesic etc.

As for the naloxone, he might be on to something, I've read that some people might be particularly sensitive to naloxone. I know the naloxone is most likely reducing the horrible 4 meds-needing constipation that methadone was causing me to have. So I imagine that some might be absorbed to an effect, but I don't know if it's relevant to my benzo intake.

Thing is, I'm pretty sick of needing benzos, there's 2 ways for things to improve for me

a) get more benzos per pill from my doctors (neurologist might help out with that, not my shrink, he's an asshole, who's more often in congress that in practice)
b) Have my fucking step-dad get a job again so I stop worrying about my mother. That dipshit lost his business in 2010 has brought in 0$ since then and I have to send them money. He's too much of a lazy lifetime pothead to do anything about it and both of their families are of minimal help. Hell he caused my mom to have to declare bankruptcy last year, sure now she was "pardoned" but she gotta live with all the punishment banks and shit put on her, like not being able to have a credit card. Anyways, that guy ruined my life the day he showed up. My dad gave her financial security, she chose to divorce, which at some point made very much sense, but she's fucking irrational when it comes to men, and I have to pay for it by my existence alone and then his fucking existence.

Maybe that should have been posted in the mental health board. I sure sometimes am almost calling a certain person to get back into my old lifestyle to provide if you know what I mean. All the money I'm throwing at her so she keeps her house (which is a revenue making house too, 2 apartments on top of it she rents and it's still not enough prevents me from putting any money in a girl that was my girlfriend and who still is in theory but is slowly slipping away as I am unable to feel pleasure, constantly worrying and not really fun to be around. I understand, I barely endure myself lol.

We'll see, if I have to jump back in the clonazepam wagon (the med that has helped me the most in this life, it's anti-migraine powers are just too good to ignore and valium isn't cutting it, even at 55mg like I took tonight, I can still feel a background anxiety even if I walk around all jelly like....it has nothing on clonazepam, or nitrazepam for that matter. That's another often used in neurology benzo and I want to speak to the neurologist about it.

And hah, yeah the neurologist is still breathing, but I'm afraid he might die anytime. He's very old, certainly in his mid 70's. That guy dying would be awful as there is only 3 neurologists in this city of 150 000 people I'm in (and isolated).
 
Oh my god I got this you guys

I can SHOOT NALOXONE to get past this Nasty Dirty withdrawal.

It's like the final puzzle piece ; killing off extra receptors faster.

Question: what will I report ? I have no idea. Your guess is as good as anyone's.

If I had to pick a side; the NALOXONE will do NOTHING. I might be wrong.

I don't even think you read the OP's post.......thats really something else.....well I didn't either. How do they say TL;DR
 
Yeah...Buprenex works pretty good for intermediate pain if you use it once in a while and develop 0 dependance for it As much as I dislike methadone it works a helluva lot better for pain but it causes so many side effects (for me) I would only use it as a last option. Butrans for a new chronic pain patient is only going to work for so long and raise tolerance for a much more useful opiate / opioid before their even started on one.
 
In my state, if I have all of my meds and refills to get on one day, and it is the monday and my last refills were 4 weeks ago on the Friday, they'll fill them.

I take Lamictal, Klonopin, Ativan and Dexedrine IR. Your doctor may not be giving you all that much either. My doctor gives me 60 1 mg klonopin a month and 90 1 mg Ativan per month and I also get 240 Dexedrine tabs. I have been doing this for awhile and I know that because of that period there was an ADHD medication shortage and I have been on Dex since I was 5 years old (33 now), they may not see it as a big deal. I go to a mom and pop place though. When I had to go to rite aid for a dose increase they treated me like junkie and I had to settle for Ritalin because that was all I could find so I ripped their heads off... was mad... accusing me of scamming a drug I was reluctant to take.
 
Giving your benzos to someone to dispense daily is known not to work well. If you really are an addict you will build a stack until you reach the required high dose and take it all at once. Having the pill dispenser look into your mouth to make sure you swallowed it is not that efficient either since addicts learn places in their mouth where they can hide it and spit back afterwards. It's usually in between the teeth and the upper lip where it's hard to spot. Then if you arrive at situations where the pill dispenser has to stick their fingers in your mouth...it becomes a very humiliating and embarassing experience for both you and the pill dispenser.

I believe that the things that happen in this life happen for a reason. If you get high on benzos you clearly haven't reached the point where the downside of getting high is overwhelming the positive effect so you are calculating and making your decisions according to the most positive outcome. It's very difficult with psychological addictions like that.

Panic attacks are a result of fear. What fear:

- Fear of ceasing to exist
- Fear of not being able to control when you will cease to exist
- Fear of being in excruciating pain
- Fear of insanity

The reason why these fears arise and overwhelm the body is because you have un-answered questions that no one bothered answering, not your parents/grand parents/friends, probably because they didn't know themselves. They thought it was more important for you to understand mathematics, physics, knowing how to write a check, drive a car etc. Humans, and in my opinion all intelligent life forms set themselves apart for asking the question "why?".

In my opinion, asking "why?" when it comes to life, death and the origin of the Universe is a dead end. Assume you find an answer for all your questions about the world somehow...in my opinion you will be very disappointed about what this whole thing really is. In fact, 1,000 human minds could not have the processing power to truly understand the full extend of the disappointment.

Biggest mistake that humanity makes is to be thankful for the big bang because without it there would be no life, we would not be here. Maybe our life is so shitty as a direct result of it. In my opinion, like all explosions, it was a catastrophic event that ended life for a very long time. There is no good explosion...you don't randomly go blowing things up in your apartment...nothing positive can come out of it...unless the explosion residue somehow benefits from it by sparking into existence.

The more you think about these things and try to wrap up your spiritual side, the less panic attacks you will have. If existence had a name it would be called "No Control". If you try to control everything you will get a panic attack. Your heart can stop at any moment or explode, just like everything else exploded in the big bang and there's nothing you, me or God can do about it. The "so what" approach is much more compatible with the true nature of existence.
 
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I tried the thing with having someone else hold your pills...doesn't work! I lied my ass off and threw a conniption till the person took em out and threw em at me lol <3

Question is, if you got your scripts increased, would you really stop abusing them?
 
I was on the benzo merry go round. I know exactly where you are, but I was worse; If I had no benzos I would be on the edge of psychosis. I have anxiety and as clique as it sounds man, meds aren't a permanet solution. You gotta get off eventually.... can you see yourself as 80 years old with a tolerance of about 1000mg of klonopin or something? No doctor is going to touch you after a while and you're gonna be stuck in tolerance withdrawal no matter what. You gotta jump off.... man the fuck up and hold on for the ride, because it will be the nuttiest and longest ride of your life.

I have anxiety and it's sooooo much better off of benzos and even before benzos.... I honestly think the shock of benzo withdrawal made me mental unafraid of anxiety anymore because nothing can be as bad as that, NOTHING.... I hate seeing people suffer with benzos because it is so close to my heart and I can relate, but man, you gotta jump.... you know you aren't in control of the situation and things will only get worse... sending loving vibes your way...
 
I was on the benzo merry go round. I know exactly where you are, but I was worse; If I had no benzos I would be on the edge of psychosis. I have anxiety and as clique as it sounds man, meds aren't a permanet solution. You gotta get off eventually.... can you see yourself as 80 years old with a tolerance of about 1000mg of klonopin or something? No doctor is going to touch you after a while and you're gonna be stuck in tolerance withdrawal no matter what. You gotta jump off.... man the fuck up and hold on for the ride, because it will be the nuttiest and longest ride of your life.

I have anxiety and it's sooooo much better off of benzos and even before benzos.... I honestly think the shock of benzo withdrawal made me mental unafraid of anxiety anymore because nothing can be as bad as that, NOTHING.... I hate seeing people suffer with benzos because it is so close to my heart and I can relate, but man, you gotta jump.... you know you aren't in control of the situation and things will only get worse... sending loving vibes your way...

Human life is a nut ride by itself don't you think? All I know is that I was having the fun of my life when I was 6 and then my parents said "that's enough, you go to school". So I had to put the fun on halt and focus on school until...I was 27. Then, when I thought I could resume the fun, here comes the job search/job, no fun. After you retire, you're too old to have fun, your tits are too big and you just wana die.

I wish I were a rabbit, playing in the grass all my life without being sucked dry by a progress oriented society...working countless hours to buy shit I don't need...sure taking drugs is nuts, but compared to what? What's the reference? Human life? Ahh...not nuts.
 
Dude, if I find a way to tune out of society the least bit comfortably and not engage in the rat race and chase dead presidents, you will be one of the first people I will tell....I agree.... it's all bullshit. I just need love.
 
My parents always tell me that I'm too busy with that goes on inside my body to properly focus on the real world, I meditate endless hours, I take too much interest in chemistry...always trying to find inner peace and be one with myself.

American people are so stressed and worked out...about what their wife is doing to them, what their kids are doing to them, what their boss is doing to them...that they need a drug to release all those problems in catastropy, they ejaculate their shit life away in a drug binge, giving them peace for a short moment. This is not life. We claim to be a civilized society and yet we offer a life standard far worst then in animal reign. A lion in the savana experiences 100x more peace, euphoria and pleasure than the average American.

Go on Google right now and try to find a research paper on developing euphoria-inducing stress-relieving drugs that are safe for usage. No one ever researches that. Euphoria is not a goal in American society, it is an abomination, like having anal sex in religious scriptures. TABOO.
 
My interests just moved to chemistry, as I am a first year med student. I think I am going to snap though. The idea of saving and helping people sounds good in thought, but the politics of it is dirty ie. shoving drugs down their throats because the drug reps fund the universities and make sure we know to overmedicate everyone.

I am also into meditation and yoga and psychedelics... and I don't know whether it helps me or hurts me because honestly, the more I know and become in tune with the earth and life and science, the more depressed I get if that makes sense. Knowing we are living in a shit hole.

I totally agreeeee... animals are so lucky!!! Always loved my dog and snake, and watched them and always wanted to know what they were thinking, but at the same time, I felt bad for having them in captivity.

I am googling that right now.... can't find anything as of yet.
 
Yeah I wish I was a dog on all four right now. Fuck this life. It's shouldn't be like this. A dogs life...where itz at.
 
My interests just moved to chemistry, as I am a first year med student. I think I am going to snap though. The idea of saving and helping people sounds good in thought, but the politics of it is dirty ie. shoving drugs down their throats because the drug reps fund the universities and make sure we know to overmedicate everyone.

I am also into meditation and yoga and psychedelics... and I don't know whether it helps me or hurts me because honestly, the more I know and become in tune with the earth and life and science, the more depressed I get if that makes sense. Knowing we are living in a shit hole.

I totally agreeeee... animals are so lucky!!! Always loved my dog and snake, and watched them and always wanted to know what they were thinking, but at the same time, I felt bad for having them in captivity.

I am googling that right now.... can't find anything as of yet.

That is a good thing. Anyone who wants to understand more about creation inevitably has to seek such experiences. Scientists built the Hubble telescope to try and see light that's millions of years old trying to understand creation...they're missing the entire point. The human body offers the most outstanding clues about creation because it works in the exact same way and it was created in the exact same way. Sure it was created through evolution but that's a trial and error process...something out of control and the universe was created through trial and error too:

If at the big bang, our cosmological constant was 10^-28 instead of about 10^-29, the repulsive force of dark energy wouldn't have allowed for solar systems to form, thus, there would be no way life as we know it could exist. It is statistically unlikely, 1 in trillions, that a universe is born with the right cosmological constant. There's probably trillions of failed universes out there, just like there were trillions of failed DNA chains before the first viruses and bacteria appeared on Earth.

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Brian Greene would explain this better, I understood what he's trying to prove, I felt it during meditation. If you understand how the body works, you understand how creation works.
 
Eventually you will be afraid and terrified of running out between refills. After paying the piper many times with withdrawals...you'll learn. I know I did. The withdrawals get worse each time. More frightening, longer, more physical. There is nothing like benzo withdrawal that I have experienced in any other realm of drugs.
 
theres no easy answer to this. everyone with a opiate or benzo script out there has had this happen. you have a few choices. in reality its pretty black and white, unfortunately. you can go against all odds, break the cycle, and gain superhuman will power, which is possible, but as you know, hard as all hell to say the least. you can up your dosage and dig yourself deeper into the benzo habit. or you can kick completely. get on something to detox from benzos, and stay on low doses of that for a loing time for PAWS

good luck
 
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