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Help, still "outta it" after MDMA

you'll be fine don't worry about it. I didn't feel these symptoms until after abusing MDMA for months every weekend, but everybody is different. Even though 500 mgs is a large dose you should probably not take the substance again. Obviously something in your body doesn't mix well with MDMA. Good luck.
 
for me, i feel as if taking 5-htp and L-Theanine with GABA really, REALLY helps in regards to MDMA recovery. You will feel slightly "unimpressed" with life after rolling for about a week. My theory (and this is just my theory) is that you had such a good time that now sitting around and WORKING, or DOING CHORES, doesn't sound very fun/appealing/desirable to you.

Usually at about the end of the first week i can go back and do a rather decent job at work, and after 2 weeks i find my motivation is pretty much 90% back.

*edit* I also work out 3-4x a week for 1-2.5 hours a session, and eat healthy (DON'T skip breakfast, eat a balanced diet, etc)

basically if you exercise, take vitamins, bask in the sun when you can, and follow the food pyramid - people forget how right on the food pyramid really is, ask a dietician/nutritionist. I work in wellness (which is nutrition, fitness, smoking cessation, work life balance, etc)
 
hey casey im doing ok i mean i still get dizzy now and again and get tired easily i think i am feeling completely normal though its hard to tell its been so long

only real symptom that persists is staic vision but i have learnt to live with that

hope your doing better dude
 
Thanks Sammy, thanks for the update. Yeah dizziness is still very persistent in my case, esp when i'm active. Also I have noticed that when my symptoms are worse my vision seems to be worse as well. Anyways, good luck and let me know if you ever get to 100%. God speed.
 
No Chronic, no.

There is plenty of anecdotal and scientific data that support the claims of the OP.

The real question is why do you deflect the possibility that MDMA could do this?

MDMA causes long-lasting alterations in the 'brain-gut' circuitry - this is a FACT.
For some people, this has more severe consequences than others.
 
Whoa this thread actually helped me. I recently quit smoking weed, and have recently fallen back onto smoking it every now and then nothing more than a blunt or a joint though, got rid of all my glass. I used to smoke about a 1/2 Oz. a day and smoke concentrates such as wax and butter (wax takes a quarter ounce of trimmings to make a gram, and butter takes a pound of trimmings to make a gram). I had smoked like this everyday pretty much all day for the past 4 - 5 years of my life and I will say that i did get some crazy mental withdrawls, anxiety levels through the mo' fuckin roof to say the least, uber vivid dreams that I could remember for once this disturbed me, and my eating patterns I dropped almost ten pounds almost instantly upon quitting smoking. I have calmed down since but I am currently smoking usually before bed, just to get those dreams off my back. I started taking muscle milk due to its high protein and great multivitamin supplement and lack of creatine, it's really helped me so this makes me lead to think among other users responses that what i've been feeling is from mdma abuse. I think I'm going to invest in piracetam, everyone says 3 months in between rolls is key, that's rolling 4 times a year, that seems like big adjustment I'm going to have to try to start following to an extent. I usually have a quantity of mdma too I will also have to show some self control and do less consumption tests..
 
Fail to provide sources, eh?

You are only the second person on Bluelight to ever request such a thing from me.
I knew this day would come...:|

Let me explain: it took 4 months of constant searching/reading/digesting scientific data for me to come to my conclusions. It was a very slow and hard-earned accomplishment.

At the time, I knew that saving resources to cite would be beneficial, but I did not know while I was searching, which references would turn out to be most important. Saving all of them would have slowed down my progress considerably. To go back now, would likely take me weeks/months to establish my citations.

It would also involve a period of re-sharpening my 'opinions'.
This is not a minor task, by any means. Consider the fact that scientists still struggle to agree on all the details.
But I am considering it...

Have you ever tried to search Google Scholar or Pubmed?
The number of results on MDMA is astounding.
In the 90's there were about 30 papers per year on MDMA.
Since 2000, there have been 100 or more per year!

Luckily, I found some of the early research to be the most useful in establishing my basic knowledge of the 5-HT system. Later research is dominated by more advanced or simply subjective material.

The story put forth by the OP is pretty straight-forward.
MDMA is the cause.

Responses that look for alternative explanations, when MDMA has thousands of research papers pointing blame squarely at IT, are deserving of 'strong opinions'.
And contempt.

I do not go around claiming that all these foolish MDMA users on Bluelight are going to end up like me, Casey, CatintheHat, Somedud, Bben, Cyc....(the list goes on)

No, I simply state that science strongly suggests that they are making permanent alterations to the nerves that connect the intestines to the brain. There is NO opinion in this statement, sir. There is NO debate among scientists on this basic truth, either. It is the long-term implications that are at debate.

When MDMA users claim with certainty that they are suffering severe consequences directly related to MDMA use, I support them with my advanced understanding. Casey is not the first.

Others on Bluelight that feel its necessary to respond with typical statements of denial, deserve to be corrected.

Moderators, such as yourself, are usually much more cautious about being too supportive of MDMA. Even you agree that, if abused, MDMA is fully capable of causing the damage described in this post. Right?

If not, I suggest you join me in hours upon hours of research.
You might be surprised by what you learn.

I'll let you know when my 'citations' are underway. :\
 
I personally would only recconmend taking the 5-htp an tyrosine for a few days after the roll.

Also, you don't wanna be taaking st johns wort everyday dude. It's legit an SSRI


Many will tell you I'm wrong but personally I just preffer eating healthy.
Why not grab foods with a high tyrosine andor 5htp content instead
 
Not saying that you're fucked, but taking MDMA changes you mate. I have never felt or looked at life in the same way and carry myself completley differently. You'll get back in touch with reality but you'll never quite be the same ;) And for the best....
 
heartofalion said:
I would stop the St Johns wort too, to much of that can fuck you up from my understanding.
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Yeah, St. Johns Wort is actually an experimental depression treatment, but I think some of the early returns is that it may have some serious negative effects on people. I'd stay off it.
 
I don't know what people have said so far and am not going to read through all the posts but I'm telling you without a doubt it's low cortisol. Really try and get hydrocortisone tablets. I have some, and they're amazing. All those memory problems, feeling out of it, I totally know how you feel and it's from low cortisol. You can help raise it naturally just by eating foods that are stressful on your body ie sugars, processed foods, sodas etc..

I think progesterone cream should help too though. Because your body uses progesterone to make cortisol. But seriously listen to me, and if you don't believe me, do your research on it. This is such a common problem and it has nothing at all to do with your serotonin or brain being messed up. Tell this to anyone who has this problem because it's super common with ecstasy and drug users in general and it's a fairly easy fix.
 
Seems to be a reoccurring theme with MDMA users, they get the dissociated feeling with things around them. This can lead to anxiety and other things, i know i got all of this with even moderate use. Smoking weed daily probably didn't help but what could i do, i always felt disconnected with things. You guys trying to say it is just in his head and saying he is thinking about it too much really need to pipe down and listen to people who have done research and experienced the same things. The damage with MDMA is very real, especially when comparing to other drugs and for how little time it takes. I really have to think long and hard about when i want to roll now, i know each dose i take can make me feel further from my self which takes ages to get back to a semi normal state.
 
hey casey just wondered if your better now its been quite a while i seem to of completely got over all the symtoms exept one which is static vision and i think its minor hppd where i had a bad trip but it can be really annoying and im hoping it goes away with time

hope your better dude
 
Hey Sammy, so glad to hear your doing allot better. Hope the static vision clears up for you soon as well, thinking that with time it probably will from all the reading I've done. I'm not completely over things quite yet. Still have a sense of confusion, bit trouble balancing, and some trouble concentrating. However when I compare this to how I was 3 months ago, I am getting much better. Every day I seem to improve ever so slightly, it is still however very frustrating. Sleep I have found seems to help almost more than anything. Also my Dr. put me on an SSRI to try to help, not sure if it is helping but it also doesn't seem to be hurting. Like I said just very very very slow progression.

Quick question, did you find your recovery gradual or was it more sudden? Glad to hear your doing better buddy, talk to you later.
 
caseyc4683 said:
Hey Sammy, so glad to hear your doing allot better. Hope the static vision clears up for you soon as well, thinking that with time it probably will from all the reading I've done. I'm not completely over things quite yet. Still have a sense of confusion, bit trouble balancing, and some trouble concentrating. However when I compare this to how I was 3 months ago, I am getting much better. Every day I seem to improve ever so slightly, it is still however very frustrating. Sleep I have found seems to help almost more than anything. Also my Dr. put me on an SSRI to try to help, not sure if it is helping but it also doesn't seem to be hurting. Like I said just very very very slow progression.

Quick question, did you find your recovery gradual or was it more sudden? Glad to hear your doing better buddy, talk to you later.
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it was definately more gradual man and im hoping that the static will gradually go away from what i have read it can take a couple of years but im just staying positve that it will although at this point i have just learnt to live with it good luck hope your a 100% soon
 
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