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Heroin HELP!!!!!! shot too hot!!!!!

Alikat

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I just shot a nice needle full of H.... Problem was it was really freshly cooked n still pretty hot:( had to pull out half way thru cuz of the burning pain.... No miss but now hand is slightly swollen, skin feels stiff almost, and is red and blotchy, almost welt looking blotches. My face instantly flushed but that subsided. Now my hand is throbbing! Any advice on how to treat it/ how serious this is , would be so greatly appreciated :)
Thanks n sorry if this is is hard to follow... I DID just do a phat H shot!
 
It's not the heat of the dope, you either hit a nerve or an artery! the swelling in your hand in the blotches will be gone by tomorrow....It happened as soon as you pushed the shot down, felt like your hand was on fire...sweating, racing heart...it's scary and can be dangerous, but if the swelling is going down and you feel alright, you're out of the woods...If the rash persists or gets bigger, then you may have problems!
 
I just shot a nice needle full of H.... Problem was it was really freshly cooked n still pretty hot:( had to pull out half way thru cuz of the burning pain.... No miss but now hand is slightly swollen, skin feels stiff almost, and is red and blotchy, almost welt looking blotches. My face instantly flushed but that subsided. Now my hand is throbbing! Any advice on how to treat it/ how serious this is , would be so greatly appreciated :)

lol have you ever shot up before? Like BH said, it's not the heat from the water you felt. It sounds like you missed. Doesn't sound like an artery, but I could be wrong.
 
lol have you ever shot up before? Like BH said, it's not the heat from the water you felt. It sounds like you missed. Doesn't sound like an artery, but I could be wrong.

Honestly, I'm not 100% percent sure...I think those symptoms can appear with an artery or a nerve...The first time it happened, it was so bad that I went to the ER and they told me it I probably hit a nerve, but I've had the same thing happen with the frothy light red blood 2 times after that, I didn't miss, I was in an artery...so I'm not really 100 percent on how to tell the difference...

but the instant burning sensation and the swelling all the way down to your hand doesn't happen from your usual miss AFAIK...
 
I was assuming OP was shooting up in their hand. If that's not the case, then I take back what I said.
 
^Well, you're still pretty young...It took me 8 years before what the OP is describing happened to me...

As soon as you shoot up, this pain just races down your arm and your hand feels like it's on fire...After that, your whole arm and hand swell up where you can't even make a fist and your heart races, you break out in a sweat...It must be really rare, a lot of people it never happens too...

As far as what it is, I wanna say it's hitting an artery, but the one time I went to the ER for it, they told me I hit a nerve..so...I'm sure someone like Tricomb or SD would know the exact answer to this...
 
Hmmm.... Ok, I've actually had this happen 2x,and always it was when the shot was still pretty hot. I've had my whole hand swell up before, def hit a nerve or artery that time. I've been shooting for a little over a year with prob 5 months clean all in all since I started.
Can u harm yourself with a hot shot?
 
Hey, why has it been 7 replies before somebody said NOT TO COOK YOUR DOPE?!

Dont heat that shit!

NEVER HEAT POWDER DOPE!

Heroin is water soluble. There is no reason whatsoever to heat it.

ANYTHING THAT DONT DISSOLVE IS CUT, Which you dont want to be booting anyways!

Mix it in cold water. if your shit aint coming out clear, youre gettin dope with a shitty cut or too much cut. Clean dope dissolves without you barely even needing to mix it, just squirt your water on it swirl it around a bit and youre good. If you want to, you can just pop the plunger out and mix with that which is what I always did but the point is sometimes that aint even necessary.

Once again.....Dont cook your dope. Please. Seriously. All it does is help THE CUT dissolve into the solution, whereas mixing it cold keeps the non soluble cut seperate. so tired of hearing people say "oh but I have to heat my dope to make it dissolve" no you dont! Youre just making your shot more full of garbage. Get out of the mindset that "anything left=bad." If you got a bunch of sludge left you do NOT want that dissolving into your shot becuz it aint dope. leave it alone.
 
Why the hell were you applying heat to begin with????

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...armaceutical-opioids-or-North-American-heroin

Copied and pasted from my thread on this exact topic. Use the search engine.

This has been an issue for a long time now and it's about time we consolidated all of our information into one thread. As I find them (there are many), I'll add links to other relevant threads on this topic, and if you feel you have something to add, please do so we can put something together and save some people from themselves! =D

I'm copying and pasting what I wrote in the beginners guide to heroin. This is written for BTH but applies to all pharmaceutical opiates, however the "cut" is referring to the inactive ingredients added to commonly abused prescription opioids such as oxycodone (OxyContin, Roxicodone, OxyNorm, Oxy IR, etc), hydromorphone (Dilaudid, Exalgo, HydromorphContin), oxymorphone (Opana, Numorphan, Numorphone), Methadone (Methadose), Morphine (Morphine, MSContin, Roxanol, MS IR, Kadian, Avinza) and various others.

NONE OF THESE SHOULD BE HEATED WHEN PREPARING FOR PARENTERAL INJECTION.

Black Tar Heroin:

  • Black Tar Heroin is prevalent on the West Coast of the United States
HR note to all as the issue of applying heat to opiates has been a very hot topic (no pun intended) as of late.

According to the experience of many, and the science that back's it up, under most circumstances in the USA you do not heat heroin. Especially not powder heroin, but not tar either.

The reason you don't ever apply heat is, when you do apply heat tar, you introduce all the contaminates, cuts, and probably degrade the active ingredient a little bit while allowing all the precipitate matter to join the solution. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LEFT WITH VISIBLE "TAR" IN YOUR SPOON, ALL THE HEROIN HAS GONE INTO THE WATER. THE VISIBLE "TAR" IS INACTIVE INGREDIENT, LIKELY THE SUBSTANCE THAT YOUR HEROIN HAS BEEN CUT WITH. This is only difference between a hot shot and cold shot of heroin, hot shots DO NOT get you higher.

Don't be fooled by what you see, your eyes cannot see milligrams, but all the heroin has all gone into the cold water. Many people's eyes play tricks on them when they heat the solution and no longer cannot see the particulate matter, but it's is still there, but melted in with solution.

When you run a solution that was heated/cooked and not allowed to completely cool down in time, when you run it through the filter, the adulterants/contaminates/inactive ingredients slip right through the filter and into your syringe. Even though it may look clear to you, it is almost as dangerous as IVing without a filter, since the filter couldn't effectively filter out the particulate matter from the cooked/hot solution of heroin/water/melted cut.


Another common myth is that cooking your shots kills all bacteria eliminating risk of bacterial infection. This is false because bacteria thrive in wet, warm/hot environments, and if you actually applied enough heat to kill all bacteria, you would have degraded the active ingredient, heroin, significantly. So another reason to do cold shots: No added degradation of heroin. To minimize risk of bacterial infection, practice proper injection technique, absolutely EVERYTHING that comes in contact with the drug, your solution, your rigs, etc, must be sterile. When mashing the heroin with a plunger in cold water in your cooker or spoon, be EXTRA sure that you've sterilized the plunger, and have washed your hands with isopropyl alcohol, or even better use non-latex gloves. There are more germs on your fingers than most other parts of your body so it is VITAL that you maintain a sterile environment every step of the preparation and injection procedure.
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With pharmaceuticals it's important to remember that when you're prepping a shot of, for example, oxymorphone IR, there is up to 10mg of active ingredient hidden amongst hundreds to thousands of milligrams of inactive ingredients, and it's important to filter out as much of this as you can, using clean water.

See the inactive ingredients in medications and Pill-Mass Ratios (take note that it's from 2010 and new formulation pills may not be accurate, so if you have the means to contribute to this thread please do)

Why?? Read the Case Studies

Tommyboy brought this to my attention and since it's highly relevant I'm just going to copy and paste it here with a link to the original thread:

Written for opiophile, but decided I'd post it here as well :)
Introduction & Context
I recently attended a pill injection workshop in Australia, among the people at this workshop, there was a man called Dr. Bruno Raimondo, him and his team are running research into opioid pills such as OxyContin, MSContin and Subutex and the effectiveness of filtering. In the morphine forum I already summarized a document he did, I managed to obtain a copy of the slides he used at the presentation, although he has not released the formal version (which I will link to when he has) of the research, the slides he has emailed me are sufficient for the information people need to know.
Too long didn't read:
Don't heat pills, 2-3ml of water soaking your finely powdered pill, with a 1ml rinse through your filter (SHOULD be using a wheel filter) will give you the best results. Wheel filters are necessity they don't retain any drug (95-99% is let through, cotton filters let through less). Expect health problems down the road if you shoot cotton filtered pills.
Harms of pill injection
Injecting pills (or anything) can result in contaminants entering your body such as insoluble particles or bacteria and fungi. These things can irritate and inflame tissue and veins, cause infections in skin/muscle (granuloma, abscess). They can also result in local and systemic infection from the bacteria/fungi.

Insoluble and undissolved particles can cause microcirculation capillaries (5-10um) to become blocked, they clog up in the heart and lungs. Granulomas in the lungs are caused by inflammation which leads to scar tissue (fibrosis). Congmomerate masses lead to restrictive lung disease and pulmonary hypertension. The particles also reach other organs (liver, kidney etc).

Key particles in pills (OxyContin, MSContin, Subutex)
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Other insoluble particles included are:
Magnesium stearate (5-30um)
Titanium dioxide (100um clumps) (ms, oxy)
Other particles that change form in heat are:
Stearyl alcohol MP is 59*C (ms, oxy)
Eudragit RS 30D clumps at >30*C (oxy)

All these particles cause problems in your heart, lungs and other organs, the chemicals that change form in heart are the reasons why pills should NOT be heated, and you will soon find out there is no advantage to heating.

Why pills shouldn't be heated
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As you can see, of these images under a microscope, heating pill solutions cause enourmous particles to dissolve in the mix. These particles will pass through the filter (wheel or cotton) and recongeal, precipitating out in your filtered mix or veins.

Ok so I shouldn't heat, what about Rollie cigarette filter filtering (or cotton).
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For comparison: MSContin rollies reduce particles >5um by 60%.

What about the drug retained?
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For subutex 97% of the drug is returned in this process.
Drug is not retained in the filter after this, even if the filter is wet.
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Wheel filters (and why they rock!)
Here is the solution of two pills under a microscope before and after wheel filtering
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But how many particles are removed by the wheel filters?
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But what about drug recovery
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For subutex drug recovery is 99%
*Note: One of the researches reminded me to say that when they first did these tests, their technique with wheel filters was poor, and that morphine recovery is more like 95-99%

So as you can see, using wheel filters removes all the particles that cause harm (basically), with a rinse of water after first filter, you can retain 95-99% of the drug (better then a cotton/rollie filter) while removing 99% of the particles that cause harm, and heating is generally a bad idea that does NOT help at all, and does more harm then good.
Note: Hand rolled cigarette filters filter to about 50um.

Another document for the national drug safety council, which focused mainly on morphine and wheel filters, also contains a lot of information. It is located here.

I also posted this in Australian drug discussion but was told to also post it here.


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STAY SAFE!
 
Ha, it's not from the solution being too hot. Even if you were to boil the shit out of it for whatever reason... it cools down way too fast to be an issue.

You either missed or injected into an artery. Check out the thread in my signature about IV complications and what to do.
 
I absolutely agree with not heating powder or pills or coke etc....and not using at least a cotton serves no purpose whatsoever...

But with tar, some of it just sits there as a chunk in the water for a long time...and if it's sitting there as a solid piece that the water is not penetrating into, it stands to reason that the heroin is not getting dissolved into the water...It will eventually break down, particularly(no pun intended) if you keep mashing it around...some tar is soft, but some is rocky and tacky to the touch....boiling it is not necessary...applying heat with a lighter is not necessary, but using hot water from the tap will break it down much more quickly, and I don't think hot tap water would be enough to melt anything into the shot....
 
yeah heating dope is bad. the only drug I heat before injecting is mxe, and that is because it is the only way I've found to get 50 or so mg to dissolve in less than an ml of water, and when I do that I always run the shot under cold water or dilute it with some room temp water to cool it down. but that's besides the point. if you're heating your dope and dissolving cuts and then injecting them into arteries you're not going to keep your arms for very long.

if you must heat your shot, make sure you let it cool down in a seperate cooker, then refilter, ensuring any dissolved cuts are given a chance to precipitate upon cooling.
 
I absolutely agree with not heating powder or pills or coke etc....and not using at least a cotton serves no purpose whatsoever...

But with tar, some of it just sits there as a chunk in the water for a long time...and if it's sitting there as a solid piece that the water is not penetrating into, it stands to reason that the heroin is not getting dissolved into the water...It will eventually break down, particularly(no pun intended) if you keep mashing it around...some tar is soft, but some is rocky and tacky to the touch....boiling it is not necessary...applying heat with a lighter is not necessary, but using hot water from the tap will break it down much more quickly, and I don't think hot tap water would be enough to melt anything into the shot....

I have reason to believe that hot tap water is one of the most bateria containing sources of water. If you mean using cold tap water, and then manually heating that prior to a higher temperature prior to dropping in your tar, by all means that's not applying heat to heroin in the way that I'm trying to get people to stop doing, which is actively heating heroin after it's in the water.

To be sure that all of the heroin is "penetrated" by the water, I still recommend mashing it with the sterile end of the plunger, the big flat surface that you push off with, over using any heated form of water, but I know you guy's see what's in the spoon and think you need to apply heat, I've seen the very same optical illusion a thousand times. Heat is unnecessary, all the heroin will be freed from it's contaminates: the literally "tar" leftover from the heroin everyone is hell-bent on melting down along with the heroin, which is already one of the most water soluble drugs out there.

So logically speaking, submersing it in water should extract 99.9% of the active ingredient, with COLD water.

IMO/IME $0.02

I've done enough hot shots for the benefit of the doubt, and enough cold shots to know the difference, or lack thereof, in efficacy between heated and cold shots.
Cold shots > heated 100/100 = 100% of the time with American heroin.
 
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Wow, thanks for the info! I had NO IDEA! WHere I'm from heroin was unheard of until last year or so. So we just kinda followed what everyone was doing n taught ourselves. Ill def never cook a shot again n will look into wheel filters( I've never heard of them)
Thanks again!
 
^That brings so much joy to my heart.

Please spread the word and educate as many drug users as you can! Harm reduction like this is something that EVERY drug addict should practice, and that's why this forum exists, to educate users on how to more safely use their drug of choice.

That's the distinction made when you see people saying "we aren't here to help you get as high as possible", we do not encourage or condone the use of illegal drugs, but we DO encourage the safe practices and taking every precaution known to man when abusing drugs illegally, since we all know that telling people "say no to drugs" is a highly ineffective means of "educating" the youth, usually through scare tactics.

Abstinence, for example with sexual intercourse, didn't work then, it doesn't work now, and so man made condoms, birth control, and things like planned parenthood. Prohibition didn't work, and isn't working with the current war on drugs, so educating yourself to the best of your ability through peer reviewed research, and working with other addicts on forums like this.... this is your best chance at making it out alive. Make it a priority!

Definitely look into micron/wheel filters, I highly recommend you use a "0.2um PVDF micron filter" with a "0.45um PVDF micron filter" as a prefilter, but you can use compressed sterile cotton if you can't afford micron filtration for your prefiltration. (0.2um micron filters have such a small pore size, they clog very easily if your heroin is adulterated/cut heavily, so you run the solution through a larger pre-filter to get rid of the bigger crap before pushing the solution through the 0.2um)

Hope this helps. God Bless.
 
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