Heroin help please

[Louieone3]

I have been highly in love with THAT BOY-- ive been to rehab and was clean for about 8 months. Long story short my mom passed a year ago this past april 14. This past week I was blackout drunk and let some information slip on my part.. the next thing I know is that her best friend and her boyfriend find my stash, call my boyfriend who has no tolerance for that whatsoever and my family. so its been four days clean and I slipped up again, not nearly as much like last time but I was wondering if WD's and detox are going to be just as bad as they were before? Please any help or advice would be much appreciated and I was also curious as to if there was any way to tapper down until nothing is left and then have just a small, less extreme detox.

thanks again,
SWIM

 

[sekio]

We don't SWIM here. Please read the BLUA (Bluelight User Agreement)

WD's and detox doesn't ever get any easier with continued use of opioids. Tapering can help if that's possible.

 

[Louieone3]

I apologize, I haven't been to this forum in years. my knowledge behind it was I last had, 3 days ago ,one buttom and a couple week vics. tonight I got a handful to get a taste again and then wants to use the rest to taper from there hoping it wouldn't be as intense or hellish as it has been in the past... I have gone to rehab and had a script for suboxone which I had to detox off that as well. ive researched it for weeks and weeks for over the counter remedies i.e. melatonin valerian root B vitamis Imodium along with some mucles relaxers and a few benzos. I was just hoping to get any adive or input really if this was(or could be ) a 'logical' way to try and do this .... I would love and appreciate any help at all or advice on how to make it less extreme. ive been though this several times and this time is by far the smallest/weakest amount I gotta get off again, not that that matters but I was just looking and hopeing someone would/could have the answer for me, I know that sounds naïve but anyone who has gone through what I has im sure understands.

thanks,

 

[The Doc.]

Wait why are you saying BLUA??? Haha he meant for you to read the Bluelight user agreement (BLUA) before posting so you would know we don't use sayings like swim or whatever it is here at BL we just refer to ourselves as ourselves so use I statements. The reasoning being is because it gets confusing to read and everyone knows when you say swim that you are referring to yourself so how do you think that protects you from anything? If a cop wanted to arrest you from reading this (which isn't likely as they have bigger things to worry about than guys online talking about their small time drug use and addiction problems) they wouldn't go oh dam we got no evidence to convict the perpetrator is obviously too smart for our own good he said someone who isn't me (swim) instead of using I statements so we are shit outta luck on convicting this guy better luck next time.
This isn't the way it works if a cop wants to charge you then they will find a way they always do.

Honest mistake just please say "I" instead of SWIM or my pet unicorn got totally smashed on this substance last night!!

 

[Louieone3]

definitely honest mistake., I just thought he said use BLUA instead of SWIM... sorry, again. do you have ay imput or advice or comments for me and my current situation?

 

[The Doc.]

Oh okay I just re read your second post I never got much info from the first. How much vicodan are you taking to get by now? And how many do you have to taper with

 

[Louieone3]

on and off now for 3 years, went to rehab November 12, that was when it was the worst- I couldn't get out of bed without blowing a line. I had everything symptom from chills sweats aches restless legs, the stomach issues, the feeling of wanting to crawl out of my skin, at that point in time in my life I was using about 20-30 buttons a day along with handfuls of pills, oxys to be exact, the 30mgs with no Tylenol. the really good shit that I loved. mind you im about 5'5 an weigh about 120lbs.
during rehab they put me on 24mgs of suboxone a day-- that lasted about 5 months and then withdrew off of that but wasn't too bad bc I was tapering myself. wn those five months my mom passed and I managed to stay clean still. june of 2013 I relapsed and it was too bad it wasn't really everyday thing again and I actually didn't fuck with it all until November--- that's when I started up again daily with my tolerance growing quickly.
I have some major legal problems with drinking and driving and just got my third dui and will be sarting drug/alcohol court soon and I MUST be clean.
this past weekend (mothers day) my bff found my stash and caked my bf and my dad. Monday day dad took me to ER and they gave me adavin and colondine to 'take the edge off' well I blew through those the first days and here I am now with a new bag, high, and looking for any help from anyone who has been though what im going through yet again.
my dad stayed with me the past 4 days and he left tonight thinking everything was good and guess what I go and do.....
what ive been doing lately doesn't compare to what I hVE done in the past so I was just wishful thiking and hoping I could make this easier one my part

 

[Louieone3]

went to rehab November of 2012

 

[Louieone3]

really I just want to know if anyone has been able to tapper down to a low low dose to when they quit all together the DTs weren't as bad. or if that doesn't work and no matter what its gonna be hell on earth experience,
I have no one to blame but myself but any advice or suggestions would really be appreciated. u would think one would learn bc of how much I hated WD and that alone would keep me from using ever again but here I am trying toget through DT for the third time in 2 years

 

[fizzymk]

Wait why are you saying BLUA??? Haha he meant for you to read the Bluelight user agreement (BLUA) before posting so you would know we don't use sayings like swim or whatever it is here at BL we just refer to ourselves as ourselves so use I statements. The reasoning being is because it gets confusing to read and everyone knows when you say swim that you are referring to yourself so how do you think that protects you from anything? If a cop wanted to arrest you from reading this (which isn't likely as they have bigger things to worry about than guys online talking about their small time drug use and addiction problems) they wouldn't go oh dam we got no evidence to convict the perpetrator is obviously too smart for our own good he said someone who isn't me (swim) instead of using I statements so we are shit outta luck on convicting this guy better luck next time.
This isn't the way it works if a cop wants to charge you then they will find a way they always do.

Honest mistake just please say "I" instead of SWIM or my pet unicorn got totally smashed on this substance last night!!

While it may be against the Bluelight rules to use SWIM, my brother is a lawyer, just asked him about using 'SWIM' in this regard, he said depending on the charge, it COULD help a person, whether or not police are dumb enough to believe its the person referring to themselves or not does not matter, what does matter though is if that person EVER admitted to anything online, and is there for anyone to print out and bring to a courtroom. He did say, if the situation was right, someone using SWIM in this manner COULD be beneficial to them, but Bluelight doesnt allow the type of discussion that someone could use the SWIM term in their benefit, so its kind of a moot point I guess.

I just thought it important to post this, as I always see people claiming that using SWIM does nothing to protect them, which is not entirely true all of the time, sometimes it DOES protect ones self.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Are you asking if you're going to be able to taper down on heroin..? Because if so, not likely. Get some bupe, and taper on that if you need to. That will help make the withdrawals as manageable as possible.

I'm finding it hard to suss out the information we need from you. How long were you using on your last run, after you got clean, and how much were you using? That is what is going to influence your withdrawals. Are you sure you're even physically dependent right now? Are you still using currently or did you stop and are already in withdrawal?

 

[crzydiamond]

^^ this. To OP: if you want help you are going to need to be more specific! What are you using, how much, and how long having you been using since you relapsed?

My first few relapses I didn't pick up a dependency right away. My last relapse I picked one up in 3 days.

If you explain more in detail, like mr scagnattie said, it would be easier for ppl to help you, rather than trying to decipher your vague post?

 

[The Doc.]

Don't be too hard on yourself I've done it too after going through a month of heroin withdrawal I've relapsed and put myself in a worse position than I was before detox. It happens its all part of the process as they say to me in detox.
Now tapering off heroin is next to impossible many have tried and failed. The reasoning being that if you could control your heroin use and use exact amounts tapering down each day then you wouldn't be in the position you are where you are hopelessly hooked on heroin and can't for the life of you stop doing it or get on a normal recreational drug user schedule its either nothing (recovery) or full blown heroin addiction doing whatever you can for your fix.
Now if you do have more will power than any human alive you could taper that heroin and have somebody else dispense exact amounts to you 2-3times a day but your best bet is to get back on sub's (no more than 4 mabye 6mgs )and taper with that.

If you can't get any bupe then try for some oxys or vicadon those pills are a little easier to taper with if you eat them not smoke or snort or inject them. If you can't do that I sugesst doing the last of your heroin and starting a taper on imodium (lopermide) this is the next best thing to tapering on sub's as imodium is a opiate. Find a dose that works for you say start with 20-30mgs that should be plenty then taper down each day by 2mgs then jump off just don't become addicted to the imodium like others I know try getting off it as fast as possible.

 

[The Doc.]

While it may be against the Bluelight rules to use SWIM, my brother is a lawyer, just asked him about using 'SWIM' in this regard, he said depending on the charge, it COULD help a person, whether or not police are dumb enough to believe its the person referring to themselves or not does not matter, what does matter though is if that person EVER admitted to anything online, and is there for anyone to print out and bring to a courtroom. He did say, if the situation was right, someone using SWIM in this manner COULD be beneficial to them, but Bluelight doesnt allow the type of discussion that someone could use the SWIM term in their benefit, so its kind of a moot point I guess.

I just thought it important to post this, as I always see people claiming that using SWIM does nothing to protect them, which is not entirely true all of the time, sometimes it DOES protect ones self.

If a cop wants to take you down they will that's all I'm saying.

 

[sekio]

If you've been using daily since November, you're gonna be pretty sick if you stop cold turkey.

Almost nobody can successfully taper on their own with heroin. It doesn't happen. People either maintain or escalate their usage. If you wanna get off you either need someone else to act as your pharmacist and control your dosage, or like Mr. Scag says, try getting back on bupe and taper with that if you have to.

I just thought it important to post this, as I always see people claiming that using SWIM does nothing to protect them, which is not entirely true all of the time, sometimes it DOES protect ones self.

SWIM will never protect you... the same way you can't just say "hey my uhh friend wants to buy a lot of cocaine!!" and escape all legal charges. "It wasn't me, it was my brother!"

At least in the US, most of the time you can get records from ISPs of which paying customer had what IP address when with a warrant anyway. Like trainspotter says, if the cops wanna get you, they will find something.