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Help please - trying to fend off precipitated withdrawls

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dittybopmonster

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Some background - my habit works in so that I use approx 4-5 bags of fire dope daily (sniff and smoke). This is true 6 out of the 7 days a week, as usually every thursday I have to resort to suboxone. The thing is the switch over from using H the past 6 days to getting on a sub for the day is killing me. I know I am not using the sub correctly, but I have been in a better place in life than I am right now. I just want to try and learn the best means of taking the sub after days of usage because lately I have been getting crushed with debilitating precipitated withdrawals when I take my sub. What I was doing was doing 5 bags in a day and finishing the last at around midnight then waking up the next morning and dosing my sub at about 11/noon. Now what I am going to try and do tomorrow is take my sub around noon tomorrow while having finished my last bag tonight at exactly 8 oclock. Also instead of doing the reg 4-5 bags of high Q, Ive done only 3 today (feel absolutly no WD right now). Given that information, I would truly truly appreciate any advice as to how to take my sub tomorrow and diminish or completely ward off onset of precipitated withdrawal. You advice is greatly appreciated, I know a lot of you possess a lot of knowledge in the field.

P.S. cannot take the sub after 3 tomorrow afternoon as I have to work at 3:30 and if I do unfortunately go into precipitated withdrawl, would need the time to fight through it as it lasts usually an hour for me and I cannot go through that hell while in the work place. anyways, thanks again!
 
You will have to wait it out. There is no chance you can take enough dope to get over on the subs. Either you do subs or dope. Can't do both. It doesn't work that way.
 
I used to honestly have no problem what so ever switching back and forth. I was use dope, go to sleep, wake up and dose suboxone without a simple uncomfortable second. everything was always smooth sailing switching back and forth. As of lately, past few months, switching back to suboxone after a week of dope always brings about an hour of absolute hell. After that hour is over and Ive held on for dear life, the pain melts away and I enjoy a day long suboxone buzz with very very minimal opiate WD if any at all. More of moderate sub buzz. In order to attain this serene moment, I have to fight through an hour of absolute agony.
 
by finishing my last bag tnite at 8 and doing a sub tomorrow at noon lets say, that would be a 16 hour period of opiate cessation. would that allow for enough time? gimme some input here
 
Maybe you could use Suboxone all 7 days instead. Or you could try and obtain a pill of methadone each day and then on tuesdays you could take the 7 pills of methadone instead of suboxone. I'm suggesting just 1 pill of methadone a day as I'm sensing money could be a problem, but acquiring a single pill shouldn't be that hard. Then you just keep up that cykle obviously.

But as already said, you can't choose heroin and buprenorphine at the same time. It's not hassle free at least.

And I'd say 16 hours would be enough, but barely.
 
Did my sub at about noon, 16 hours after I last used, and went into another painful agonizing bout of precipitated withdrawal. I cannot seem to successfully use suboxone without going into the hour from hell (excessive kicking, dry heaving, diarrhea, anxiety, cold sweats, hot flashes ect.)

Anyways long story short, Ive decided to cut the 6 days use and one day suboxone use out and just maintain by using dope all 7 days a week - only cutting the amount i use daily down from 4-5 bags a day to 3 bags daily. I cannot afford to do 4-5 bags a day however can afford to do 3 bags everyday of the week. I honestly just cannot bear to go through precipitated withdrawals ever again. Knowing every week once a week that I have to go through it in order to make it until my next pay day is just horrible. Its no way to live to all week fear that thursday when your going to run out of dope and hafta use a sub thus inducing the worst hell known to man. Like i siad, ive seen better days. God help me.

Precipitated withdrawal has since ended and i am feeling significantly better on the sub
 
In order for the sub to work properly, you need to already be in withdrawal from your dope. Precipitated withdrawal occurs when you take sub before you are in withdrawal from your H . It's all about your timing . It might help if you can get subutex instead of suboxone, as subutex contain naltrexone, which is going to contribute to precipitated withdrawal . Subutex has no nalrexone. Here is a bit more in-depth information concerning precipitated withdrawal and how to avoid it . http://helpmegetoffdrugs.com/wst_page8.html
I will abmit that I have never taken sub after doing H, as my H days were long over before sub came around, so I cannot help you with the timing of your dosage after H. I took sub to get off norcos, only to find that withdrawing from sub is much worse than withdrawing from hydrocodone .
 
^ Suboxone contains naloxone, not naltraxone - both opioid antagonists but not the same thing, naltraxone is longer acting.

Either way, it makes no difference - buprenoprhine has a higher affinity for your opioid receptors than naloxone, so the naloxone plays no role at all in precipitated WDs. It's all down to the buprenorphine, ripping the heroin from your receptors and replacing it with itself. It is a partial agonist, so people can catch a buzz from it but when it's replacing a full agonist like diamorphine (heroin) it sends you into precipitated withdrawals.
 
yea, i know all about that stuff and have formed a few opinions on it for myself. for example, after going through precipitated withdrawals about 5-6 times now, i dont feel as if its the bupe in the receptor causing the precipitated withdrawals, but actually the act of pulling the receptor clean before attaching itself. The last few times ive dosed my bupe the following had happened - sniff 4 mgs bupe after 16 hour wait (already experiencing mild wd symptoms), 10 mins go by with no change, after 10 minutes all symptoms of withdrawal hit me at once simultaneously in one big freight train of horror. For 45 mins - 1 hour i wither and rock in my bed in utter debilitating pain. its insanity and pure evil. after that hour has passed, I usually get out of my bed feeling almost refreshed. I just cant keep putting myself through precipitated withdrawals once a week so that i can use freely for the rest of the week. The thought of it in my future haunts me and each time i go through it i feel like im chopping years off of my life. thanks for the feedback btw.
 
It really does sound horrible and exhausting.. I think you are defninitely right, you can't keep putting yourself through that all the time. I hope you manage to get things back on track. Maintaining yourself on dope all the time might remove the awful precipitated WDs once a week, but in the long term would it not be a lot easier to go the other way and get on Subs all the time instead? I know that's a big jump and you might not be at all ready to quit the dope, but it seems topsy-turvy to cut the Sub out and go for heroin all the time instead..

Good luck! <3
 
That's why I suggested the same as you Effie, going on Sub 7 days a week. Because first of all I don't think you could keep using only 3 bags a day in the long run when you are used to doing more, the buzz will disappear anyway if you keep using exactly the same amount so you might aswell take a substance that doesn't get you high but still keeps the w/ds at bay. But I still get you. I'm on Subutex right now, but sure, I still do dope from time to time. I know doing a small amount of heroin every day sounds appealing, but like I said, eventually you'll get annoyed by the fact that you don't get high no more and then you'll be much better off taking Subutex, perhaps even tapering the bupe. Then if you do decide to get back on dope, at least for some time 3 bags will be enough to make you high... more so than now I think.
 
Can't you wait longer before you take your bupe, thus avoiding the PW altogether ? Seems to me this would be the most obvious answer, although, as I said earlier, I have never done bupe after H . And s3xo has a point about your inevitable increasing tolerance to the H as well ..... ? I would have to warn you, though, after 18-20 months of prescribed daily bupe use that I would have rather gone through the more intense, but shorter H withdrawal than the extended bupe withdrawal . . If you are just trying to maintain your dose and high I can tell you that while you MIGHT be able to maintain the dose, the high is not going to be maintainable . You are really kind of pushing yourself into a corner with this. You can't stay in that corner forever .
 
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