I totally get it......but the thing is when I drink, we all want to go out places don't we..........we have 1 or 2 beers or wines, and the next thing.....shall we go out for 1 drink, and before you know it its 3am in the morning. That's what I love about alcohol. 1 glass of wine can lead to 12 hours of fun and messiness and things you would never have dreamed of before drinking that 1 glass. Now im taking diazepam, yeh it calms the anxiety........but what about the going out? having fun? being spontaneous? Like just been proven at the wedding......7.5mg of diazepam and 1 flute of champagne, and im not 'high' or even feeling 'normal' still pretty anxious, racing thoughts and now a girlfriend with a temper. Its a Saturday night and ive took 10mg of diazepam.....and is this now it? cant go out for a few drinks, stay in and make a ready meal because of this 'anxiety killing wonder drug' that a lot of people say (not all on here by any means but on the net). I used alcohol for anxiety and to socialise......I thought diazepam was going to do the same feeling for me but without the dirty side effects. I obviously knew diazepam wasn't gunna make me drunk......but I would have atleast thought happy and comfortable to go to pub and socialise with an orange and still have that kind of relaxed buzz.
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Benzos Help needed quickly please....Benzos and alcohol....
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last time I combined valium with alcohol I crashed my car and almost got a dui, the AAA guys showed up before the cops and I didn't damage anything besides my car so I didn't have to make a statement, and the AAA guy knew what was going on and kinda rescued me and gave me a ride home before anything happened, so long story short if you go overboard you will probably do something you regret and you probably wont remember doing it...
Ok, I appreciate what your all saying .
But what I am trying to say is if I don't go 'overboard' is it actually harmful? if I go overboard that's my fault and I take full responsibility. But say if I litteraly had 2 beers and 10mg diazepam is it gunna make me poorly or actually just even more relaxed? Also what if I got that 2% bottled beer just to have as a nice beer on a evening with tv? I don't want any adverse side effects but my social life and just general sitting down and enjoying time spent with my g.f as we have both been drinking OJ for last 2 weeks have been suffering. and don't think she feels right drinking wine if im drinking pop.
So if I drank 2 bottles of 2% beer on 10mg diazepam does anyone think their would be any probs at all?
Im sure some people must laugh at what im saying as they will probs be doing 10X as much diazepam and probably having a bottle of wine or something.....but all this talk about benzo and alcohol being fatal is scarying me.........but I just don't know what extent it needs to be for that to be a probability?
Yaj , how much benzo and drink you honestly have before u crash?
But what I am trying to say is if I don't go 'overboard' is it actually harmful? if I go overboard that's my fault and I take full responsibility. But say if I litteraly had 2 beers and 10mg diazepam is it gunna make me poorly or actually just even more relaxed? Also what if I got that 2% bottled beer just to have as a nice beer on a evening with tv? I don't want any adverse side effects but my social life and just general sitting down and enjoying time spent with my g.f as we have both been drinking OJ for last 2 weeks have been suffering. and don't think she feels right drinking wine if im drinking pop.
So if I drank 2 bottles of 2% beer on 10mg diazepam does anyone think their would be any probs at all?
Im sure some people must laugh at what im saying as they will probs be doing 10X as much diazepam and probably having a bottle of wine or something.....but all this talk about benzo and alcohol being fatal is scarying me.........but I just don't know what extent it needs to be for that to be a probability?
Yaj , how much benzo and drink you honestly have before u crash?
I don't think anyone can say for sure how much is too much when mixing benzos with alcohol, it's kinda like russian roulette IME. You are probably safe just having a few beers with only 10mg of Valium, but a lot of that depends on your tolerance, and since you have only been taking it for 2 weeks, I am assuming that it is fairly low. It's not just acting a fool and doing stupid stuff that you have to worry about with mixing the two, it can be fatal, even though the chance of OD on benzos alone is pretty much non existent, but mixing any CNS depressant with benzos is just not safe and I don't think anyone advancing harm reduction can suggest you to mix them. You can be feeling great and totally fine and then one shot or another drink can make it a totally different experience, it's just way too risky, IMO. Benzos really lower your inhibitions and can cause retrograde amnesia and the chances of that happening increase greatly when adding alcohol in the mix. You may think you won't go overboard, but it WILL happen if you start doing it. I have been on benzos for almost 20 years now and I never thought it would happen to me and it did in a very bad way, at my sisters wedding of all places.
IMO, If you want to be safe, you're just going to have to make some decisions. If you're going to go out and drink one night, you need to try and at least skip your Valium dose that day, and even better the prior day if possible. Valium has a fairly long half life as mentioned and stays around in your system a while. Your girlfriend knows about your anxiety issues and your medications, right? You need to be honest with her, especially if you are going to be mixing these two in any way, that way she is aware and can try and intervene or get you help if an emergency arises. If you're going to go out and not drink at all, you're probably going to just need to increase your valium dose, but do it slowly. Be forewarned though, in most cases, benzos should not be used for long term, generally 3-4 weeks iirc, except in certain/extreme circumstances. The drugs alone will not solve the problems, only mask them. You need to use the benzos as a tool to help you work through your problem(s). If you're not already, get in to see a counselor/therapist. You need to be working on your problems using some type of therapy like CBT along with taking the medications or you're just going to make your problems worse in the long term.
Good luck and I hope my post was somewhat helpful and not condescending in any way. I have had anxiety disorders for two decades now and have learned a lot on the way through my own mistakes and through the mistakes of others. I am now dependent on different benzos just so I can leave my house due to my Panic Disorder with Agoraphobia. I put off doing the right thing, relying solely on meds to deal with my problems, and now I am more of a mess than ever it seems. Things can and do get better and a good support system is vital to overcoming and/or coping with anxiety.
IMO, If you want to be safe, you're just going to have to make some decisions. If you're going to go out and drink one night, you need to try and at least skip your Valium dose that day, and even better the prior day if possible. Valium has a fairly long half life as mentioned and stays around in your system a while. Your girlfriend knows about your anxiety issues and your medications, right? You need to be honest with her, especially if you are going to be mixing these two in any way, that way she is aware and can try and intervene or get you help if an emergency arises. If you're going to go out and not drink at all, you're probably going to just need to increase your valium dose, but do it slowly. Be forewarned though, in most cases, benzos should not be used for long term, generally 3-4 weeks iirc, except in certain/extreme circumstances. The drugs alone will not solve the problems, only mask them. You need to use the benzos as a tool to help you work through your problem(s). If you're not already, get in to see a counselor/therapist. You need to be working on your problems using some type of therapy like CBT along with taking the medications or you're just going to make your problems worse in the long term.
Good luck and I hope my post was somewhat helpful and not condescending in any way. I have had anxiety disorders for two decades now and have learned a lot on the way through my own mistakes and through the mistakes of others. I am now dependent on different benzos just so I can leave my house due to my Panic Disorder with Agoraphobia. I put off doing the right thing, relying solely on meds to deal with my problems, and now I am more of a mess than ever it seems. Things can and do get better and a good support system is vital to overcoming and/or coping with anxiety.
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Rybee
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You may be better off taking a SSRI or something similar for safe long-term use for anxiety. Pop back to your doc and just say that you're not having much fun on the Diazepam and want to look at alternative options.
I've never really considered Diazepam & Alcohol an issue tbh? I always mix the both and it's never crossed my mind as being 'lethal'. Worst that happens is I just get tired and snuggle up in the corner somewhere 8)
I've never really considered Diazepam & Alcohol an issue tbh? I always mix the both and it's never crossed my mind as being 'lethal'. Worst that happens is I just get tired and snuggle up in the corner somewhere 8)
brooklynbuRniNg5
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Bottom line is that you need to be careful, IMO ur over thinking it, but maybe that's you trying to tell yourself you shouldn't mix the two cause I don't know for sure but I'm pretty sure ahol and benzos of any kind shouldn't be mixed. With that said I understand that at the end of the day you will make your own decision and we (your fellow bluelighters) can just do our best to urge you to be safe and conscious of the consequences of using/abusing ANY drug or controlled substance.
Like I said before, I'm not the most educated in this subject but I think you should do one or the other, at least take less of your meds if u plan on drinking, I'd say cut ur dose in half, at least. Pls be safe and I wish u the best bro
Like I said before, I'm not the most educated in this subject but I think you should do one or the other, at least take less of your meds if u plan on drinking, I'd say cut ur dose in half, at least. Pls be safe and I wish u the best bro
That's just it, exactly. No one can tell you what's going to happen or that if you take {this much of this} it's going to be fine.
If you're feeling frustrated and are determined to find a place where you feel good and confident, then perhaps try experimenting with stuff at home and see how it goes. The bottom line is that benzos and alcohol are a risky combination with a deservedly bad reputation.
Make a decision and act on it, and then take responsibility for it.
OR
Play it safe and and don't do anything.
more on this, lol to bump the thread again......but me and my girlfriend just went to shop and got 4 bottles of 2% fosters lager......anyone think having one bottle with my normal daily dose of 10mg of diazepam will even be able to create any side effects? such as death? lol
weekend addiction
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People mix benzos and alcohol all the time and I wish people would discuss the safe mixture of the two rather than act like its committing suicide. Harm reduction isn't about scaring the shit out of someone with exaggerations. There are people who combine these all the time without serious ill-effect. Which is worse 8 shots and a low dose of benzo everyday? Or 16 shots a day? Cuz for some people its one or the other and with the second one the blackouts are MUCH more common.
Weekend addiction....I coulkdnt agree more. Im so scared to death of having a 2% fucking beer because all I ever read is, benzos and alcohol = death. I can see this being very true if I was to go out drink 10 pints and take 100mg of vallium.... but literally, how to mix safely shud be such more of a topic........I mean Xanax is one of the most potent valliums their is and their is 40 MILLION subscriptions in the US I believe....now im sure people die from mixing the two......but probably on big nights out and large quantities of one or the other. But do I have to try and believe tht the 40 million prescribed patients.....not including the ones from street users.....don't touch any alcohol???
vallium used to be classed as the house-wifes drug in the 60's I believe because it calmed the down etc etc.....and im sure they still had glasses of wines and did not think about they might day in their sleep from one glass of wine?
I really appreciate all the comments, I really do......but you guys do scare the shot out of me with this......NEVER mix the two attitude.........I would much more appreciate some1 saying how it feels when u have 1 or two beers and to know your limits, rather then endless story's of people taking high doses of benzos and then having 10 beers and then they woke up not remembering a thing and they did stupid stuff story's.....surely this is common sense not to take drugs and get wasted?
hopefully again this doesn't sound like Im being un-grateful........just most the psts make me feel if I have a bottle of 2% beer im a gonner.....lol and to someone with anxiety that's bad it aint nice to be thinking when just wanting to relax.
vallium used to be classed as the house-wifes drug in the 60's I believe because it calmed the down etc etc.....and im sure they still had glasses of wines and did not think about they might day in their sleep from one glass of wine?
I really appreciate all the comments, I really do......but you guys do scare the shot out of me with this......NEVER mix the two attitude.........I would much more appreciate some1 saying how it feels when u have 1 or two beers and to know your limits, rather then endless story's of people taking high doses of benzos and then having 10 beers and then they woke up not remembering a thing and they did stupid stuff story's.....surely this is common sense not to take drugs and get wasted?
hopefully again this doesn't sound like Im being un-grateful........just most the psts make me feel if I have a bottle of 2% beer im a gonner.....lol and to someone with anxiety that's bad it aint nice to be thinking when just wanting to relax.
brooklynbuRniNg5
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All I'm saying is you seem smart enough to know what "might" happen and no I don't think it would kill u to mix the two unless you OD on your meds which you seem to NOT plan on doing which is good, I don't think u should be scared just CAREFUL, and like someone has said before, experiment w this in privacy, like your home, being surrounded by people whether they're family or not can definitely trigger anxiety which u seem to struggle w
Like I said u seem smart enough, asking questions about this is a good thing and I'm very sry if all this scares you, I don't think death is what you should worry about, just your ability to function at least semi-properly in every day life, I'm not aware of safe doses cause I haven't tried it but hopefully u can find someone who knows how to do this safely FROM EXPERIENCE
Like I said u seem smart enough, asking questions about this is a good thing and I'm very sry if all this scares you, I don't think death is what you should worry about, just your ability to function at least semi-properly in every day life, I'm not aware of safe doses cause I haven't tried it but hopefully u can find someone who knows how to do this safely FROM EXPERIENCE
moonmaster
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i know all to well the feeling of scanning through posts waiting for someone to say, "go ahead and do it you'll be fine"
this is never good advice. everyone is different and having an axiety disorder means that you can never be sure how you'll react. my girlfriend has taken a .5mg lorazepam with one beer and absolutely lost her mind.
benzos work to slow down mental activity and with alcohol the effect becomes exponentially more severe. gaping holes in your memory are almost guaranteed. im sorry, it sucks having to turn down a drink but you can cause some serious harm to yourself, others, and invariably your social life when these two meet.
in the end what happens during your black out will cause more anxiety later on and possibly irreversibly damage relationships.
you are not the same person in this state and having witnessed it firsthand i could not stress enough that missing out on a drink is not an issue at all compared to the true harm one can bring upon himself and those around him when blacked out and experiencing the horror of psychosis this medication can bring about when mixed with alcohol.
im sorry but if you're asking this the answer is, "don't ever fucking do it" and if you're gonna do it anyway, "your dumbass was warned"
sorry for being so blunt. i can be as reckless as the next guy, but these waters i shall never tread.
this is never good advice. everyone is different and having an axiety disorder means that you can never be sure how you'll react. my girlfriend has taken a .5mg lorazepam with one beer and absolutely lost her mind.
benzos work to slow down mental activity and with alcohol the effect becomes exponentially more severe. gaping holes in your memory are almost guaranteed. im sorry, it sucks having to turn down a drink but you can cause some serious harm to yourself, others, and invariably your social life when these two meet.
in the end what happens during your black out will cause more anxiety later on and possibly irreversibly damage relationships.
you are not the same person in this state and having witnessed it firsthand i could not stress enough that missing out on a drink is not an issue at all compared to the true harm one can bring upon himself and those around him when blacked out and experiencing the horror of psychosis this medication can bring about when mixed with alcohol.
im sorry but if you're asking this the answer is, "don't ever fucking do it" and if you're gonna do it anyway, "your dumbass was warned"
sorry for being so blunt. i can be as reckless as the next guy, but these waters i shall never tread.
If you haven't tried other anti-anxiety therapies I would.
tried cbt........ and waiting to start citalopram....but worried about the side effects to begin with , with the citalopram. worried about increased anxiety.....etc etc. I just truly cant believe that everyone is soooo against 10mg of diazepam through-out the day with 1 bottle of 2% beer in the evening..........it just seems like its the worst thing in the world. I mean im not buying the drugs illegally, im not doing them abusing them, and im drinking probably the equivalent of a shandy.....and I feel like I may OD now????
im not having a s go and I may seem naïve on this subject...... but to someone who has anxiety and just wants a low percentage lager with his girlfriend........ I feel like I have now drank the 1 bottle....along with a pint of water and had 7.5mg of diazepam today........I feel anxious now.....I know its all about harm reduction........but sometomes people ehre can make me feel like im doing the worst drug in the world ( some of u may think it is....but probably abused it) ........ but all im doing is taking what the doctor gave me and he said to me.....try not to drink on it, because if you do and you are sick from the drink , their is a chance that you will choke on your own vomit. This only suggests his main concern would be taking a ALOT of alcohol.......
again I don't mean to sound blunt or rude, and I know harm reduction......but maybe the scare tactics to someone with anxiety is not the best way to go about things.
im not having a s go and I may seem naïve on this subject...... but to someone who has anxiety and just wants a low percentage lager with his girlfriend........ I feel like I have now drank the 1 bottle....along with a pint of water and had 7.5mg of diazepam today........I feel anxious now.....I know its all about harm reduction........but sometomes people ehre can make me feel like im doing the worst drug in the world ( some of u may think it is....but probably abused it) ........ but all im doing is taking what the doctor gave me and he said to me.....try not to drink on it, because if you do and you are sick from the drink , their is a chance that you will choke on your own vomit. This only suggests his main concern would be taking a ALOT of alcohol.......
again I don't mean to sound blunt or rude, and I know harm reduction......but maybe the scare tactics to someone with anxiety is not the best way to go about things.
hey karate....
I am on about drinking a 2% small bottle of beer. just 1. not going out or anything. Most people on here, seem to think that I (and others maybe) have no self control. I have had my 1 bottle. not had anymore, got a glass of water next to me and that's it. I cant understand why most people think I say 1 drink and they think im going to get batterd? lol ???? some of us do have some self control,,,,,,
I am on about drinking a 2% small bottle of beer. just 1. not going out or anything. Most people on here, seem to think that I (and others maybe) have no self control. I have had my 1 bottle. not had anymore, got a glass of water next to me and that's it. I cant understand why most people think I say 1 drink and they think im going to get batterd? lol ???? some of us do have some self control,,,,,,
brutus
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^ People say that because for a lot of people that abuse benzos, it's hard for them just to have one beer. I have no problem drinking a single beer and stopping, but I know that a lot of people that's not that fortunate that are on benzos.
It's not really a self control issue, people just associate benzos and alcohol with idiotic things that they have done. It's still not an advisable combination though especially due to increased CNS depression.
It's not really a self control issue, people just associate benzos and alcohol with idiotic things that they have done. It's still not an advisable combination though especially due to increased CNS depression.
Rybee
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Seems your question has gone unanswered! IMO, yes you'll be fine. I've got a day off tomorrow so just having a drink and a chillout. From 2 hours ago I've had 5 of them Stella Cidre 4.5% things which are in pint bottles, and will probs have another 2/3 more, along with 20mg of Diazepam, and 420mg Codeine when I go to bed later. I always drink and benzo, it just potentiates the feelings a bit more. To be honest I've never really heard of anyone having a problem which is why I'm surprised of this over reaction by users. As one member said it seems to have gone from harm reduction to scare mongering.
That said, everybody is different. I'm just sharing my own advice and my own experiences
For what it counts, I'd say I'm just under very tolerant to opioids, fairly tolerant to benzos and not very tolerant to alcohol. I very rarely drink. So yeah I guess my advice is coming from someone who's quite alcohol-naive and has zero issues with mixing with benzos
edit; you also mentioned Citalopram. I'm not sure where in the world you're from but I'd guess the UK since you said Fosters?
I used to take Citalopram at 60mg per day, which was the highest licensed limit in the UK about 12 months ago before NICE reduced this down to 40mg per day maximum. IIRC, there was found to be little benefit on Serotonin re-uptake after 40mg whilst the side effects heightened so that's what the decision was based on.
I now take 375mg Venlafaxine which is similar to Citalopram but also affects Norepinephrine and Dopamine. Again 375 is currently the highest licensed dose to be prescribed in the UK. Neither have ever affected my drinking, benzo or opioid use.
I'm just laying the facts down how they are in my case, it's great that you're seeking harm reduction advice from others. Just read it all and come to your own conclusions and then base your decisions on that. Never be afraid to double check or ask, just take it slowly
Play safe,
Rybee
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hey rybee
thanks for the post. Apart from a few others this seems like the reply I was looking for.......instead of scare tacting me, you told me that you do it, what your limits are and how you feel. That's what I was after.
My tolerance to benzos Is pretty low I guess after 2 and eweeks on them.
but I have drank a lot of alcohol..........
but thank you for what u admitted AND how u feel.
thanks for the post. Apart from a few others this seems like the reply I was looking for.......instead of scare tacting me, you told me that you do it, what your limits are and how you feel. That's what I was after.
My tolerance to benzos Is pretty low I guess after 2 and eweeks on them.
but I have drank a lot of alcohol..........
but thank you for what u admitted AND how u feel.
Drinking with benzos got me sent to detox wish i woulda known about that place getting off opiates haha you'll be fine though justbe careful 8 2 mg kpins and like half a bottle of vodka got me lost and stuck in the woods, got in plenty of fights and other dumb shit when i was on xanax but i took 10+ mgs and drank in excess,
10mg of valium will be fine
10mg of valium will be fine