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help needed ASAP - possible PMA powder? (Melbourne)

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Ok, need some opinions here.. I just got hold of what's supposed to be MDMA powder, from what has been a reliable source in the past, which has been heralded as "the best MDMA I've ever had!"
Here's the problem though - I didn't have a tester with me when I bought it, and unfortunately the only tester I have access to at home is very old and the fluid has turned pale brown. I'd go and grab another one, but it's past 6pm and everywhere's shut
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Anyway, I last used this tester a few weeks ago on a white dove (the fluid was brown at the time, too) and it gave a purple reaction, which indicates to me that even though it's old/dodgy, it still (kinda) works. I tested this "MDMA powder" a few minutes ago - it bubbled for a couple of seconds, but that was it.. no colour change at all (and I watched for at least a minute). The stuff _tastes_ right (ie bitter to start with, then VERY bitter after a few seconds), but has a strong smell which I can't really explain accurately .. a bit like licorice is probably about the closest I can get, which is why I'm now suspicious that it could possibly be PMA.
So.. what do you guys think? Simply a case of a really dodgy tester that's not working right (ie the stuff _could_ be MDMA), or more likely PMA (meaning it's time to chase a refund!) ...? Help ASAP would be muchly appreciated!
thanks..
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Today a young man on acid realised that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration... that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively - there's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves.. here's Tom with the weather!
 
Sassfrass smells a bit like licorice, anisee smells almost exactly like what most people would call licorice.
Drug powders should not smell like the starting material unless the lab they were made in absolutely stink of it and they pick up the smell that way, by using smelly containers or such. NOT because of residule precursor, that can't happen.
 
What do we know:
1. There is PMA in Australia. Well look here - one guy just died in the last few days (allegedly) from ingesting PMA.
2. The caps that this fellow had smelt really really strongly of and aniseed type smell (more so that near identital caps containing MDMA).
3. Even older testers have some sort of reaction with MDMA, whilst no colourisation with PMA.
4. Its better off to be sure rather than dead. Get yourself a tester or ring around and find someone that does.
5. Don't consume unless you are sure in your own mind you are doing this as safe as possible.
 
2. The caps that this fellow had smelt really really strongly of and aniseed type smell (more so that near identital caps containing MDMA).
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Now did he say it smelled strongly? Or a smell he couldn't explain kind of like licorice.
Drug powders will smell, mdma will smell, all amphetamines can smell of different things, freebase has a spicy/chemical/amine smell. That's what the powders will smell like not like what they started out from three steps back in the synth.
And seems to me he said there was a brown reaction with the kit.
So why are you guys all so keen to cry pma?
Possible, but unlikely. The easiest way to tell is probally just to snort a line. You get strong butterflys, then *maybe* it's pma, otherwise...
 
"no colour change at all "
Even with the oldest darkest EZ Test, there would be some kind of reaction to purple.
"no colour change at all " indicates that we are very sure there is NO Ecstasy like substance in that sample.
Consider mailing it to pilltest.com
aj
 
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"So why are you guys all so keen to cry pma?"
One quick question there Quirks.. Are you from Australia?? Well just in case your answer is no, let me let you in on something.. Brown PMA powder has been floating around the Australia scene for at least five years now. How do I know, I personally know people there and have even seen the stuff. Many people from there do not take brown caps just for that reason. All the guy is doing is breaking down the information he has i.e. brown powder, smelling stronger than usual, no color change when tested, and trying to draw some kind of conclusion from it. I really don't think anyone has made a definite clam that it is PMA. Let's just assume it's not, even so with all the factors it seems very possible that PMA is in the cap.. Maybe you need to chill and ease up a bit; it's o.k. man. Yes, we are only speculating but until a real lab test is done, that brown cap does sound as if it just might contain the brown PMA powder that’s popular in Australia. It smells stronger than usual, tastes stronger, and yet no color change. Exactly the same reports of not speculated accounts but proven accounts of brown PMA powder.. So I advise my friend in Australia to be very careful until he tests the stuff in a lab.
 
...and please don't advise to rack up lines of the stuff. PMA takes longer than MDMA to kick in.
Agree with above poster on all the things he said. Check this links and read the comments for why this is a more than reasonable chance he is dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight. http://www.pillreports.com/viewpill.php3?sub=-1&area=3&id=16612 http://www.pillreports.com/viewpill.php3?sub=-1&area=3&id=16405 http://www.pillreports.com/viewpill.php3?sub=-1&area=3&id=16018 http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000729.html?reload=51
 
Interesting responses.. quirks, I'm not an idiot - as others have said, PMA is known to be floating around in Australia at the moment, and given the factors I outlined in the original message, I thought I'd better play it safe.
Anyway - aj, you said what I thought, that is that even an old, brown E1 tester should still have _some_ reaction with MDMA. Well, here's the weird part - I went out today and bought two brand new testers (E1/E2), and the new E1 _does_ give a colour change. The reactions were as follows:
E1 - bubbled, purple within a second, shifted to "black" over the next 20-30 seconds.
E2 - again, bubbled, then instantly to a very rich purple->black.
So - it seems my old tester was well and truly fucked, to give no reaction whatsoever with this powder. It seems from the reactions with these fresh testers that it's hopefully v. nice MDMA powder - anyone wanna explain why there's no noticable "blue" anywhere in the E2 reaction? I was thinking maybe it's MDA, but there doesn't seem to be any red initially.. anyone?
(And would the more educated people here [ie I'm no expert!] say that from these reactions, this stuff should be 'safe' to consume?
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Today a young man on acid realised that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration... that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively - there's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves.. here's Tom with the weather!
 
The MDA red of E2 is not really a bright red, its just more of a redish side of purple than the blue side. Its actually quite hard to distinguish between the two unless you have two samples right next to each other.
If you really want to do a differencial of MDA/MDMA grab yourself a EZ-Supreme from the website www.ez-test.com.
As for safety... well... "no drugs are safe". Neither is driving.
 
Ok, I'm sorry I'm abrubt wiht my replies, I don't mean to be rude... And I actually read the original post too quickly, I thought he did get a color rxn.
Sill, the color test is very limited, particularly when it doesn't give a positive reaction. Whoever was talking about pma research, I have another suggestion. We do have a fairly sensitive intelligent and multi-dimension analytical tools - ourselves.
You say don't do a line to see what it's like because it takes long to kick in? Why not do a line then if it takes long to kick in you have another clue to what it could be. Better yet, you could have different people try the same thing record the results with a watch and make them available to other people. If you had a known sample you could do a similar thing with blood pressure and body tempeture, and tehn make the results available. Of course, never doing more then a safe amount in a controlled environment with freinds. You could even do a similar thing with other known drugs and have data for comparison. Maybe that sounds like a dangerous idea or thing to encourage, but it would be a more powerful method of finding pills with pma in them then the testing kit.
 
"I don't mean to be rude"
I don't think you are rude ;-) It is just good to be critical and ask questions.
As you pointed out, subjective reports should be taken with care but there MAY be some truth in it.
Your initial question; where do I get that number->50, in Europe alone.
That is a good question. That number appeared in several papers but I admit, I personally did not verify it but the numbers add up easily.
Here we go; A few in France, a few in Germany, a few in Denmark, I understand a few in Spain and Italy. A few in the UK. A whole bunch in Poland. All together it'll be around fifty, I forgot about Austria, Switserland and probably a few other countries. Give or take a few but 50 seems pretty accurate.
Now, what we need is a teskit that is able to test for _combinations_ of substances. Correct ?
Any scientific points of view ?
aj
 
i'd have to agree with that figure, if it's less than 50 people, it's not, by much. but as with all statistics there is plenty of room for doubt and this goes double with drug death statistics, as polydrug use is so common.
 
Same reason any stimulant would be bad. PMA = increase body temperature, heart rate yadda yadda.
 
You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals.
You are shitty because I beat you at counter-strike
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