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I have no intrest in taking any anabolic steroids. However, I would like to learn about them. I have extensive knowlege about drugs of abuse that get you high in a traditional sense. I know nothing about steroids.

A) how they work
B) reasons for taking them
C) social "scenes"
D)dangers
E) random facts

If this is out of line for this forum thats fine. I am curious about steroids and want to learn. I imagine some super big dude giving himself and IM injection of roids and being all like "TIme to hit the gym bro! RAWWWRR!" I know that is just a stereotype but damn... i mean i would use the internet to do some research but i know so little about roids that i dont even know where to start to look! help please!!! =)
 
Google is probably your best bet here..

I'm no beefcake but ive used them a couple of times before.

Last time i did it was because I had gone through withdrawals from heroin, started getting fitter again and lost about 6kgs and just wanted to put the weight back on. I also started taking them because my shoulder had been dislocated before and it helps with synovial fluid in the joints. My shoulder was giving me grief and it did help a bit.

How it works is just hormonal interactions which help grow lean muscle without putting on fat - wikipedia for detailed info.

And you dont really 'feel' the testosterone until a few weeks into a cycle. All people are different, some people get aggressive, others - like me, dont. However I do feel like a V8 about to erupt if i needed to take on a physical task, just knowing I'd have the strength for it.

There are dangers, but it just depends on how much you take.. Bodybuilders who dont know what theyre doing are at risk.. People who actually get decent medical advice are okay.

Main risk would be gynocomastia - 'bitch tit' - or male breast growth.

I'll let google do the rest for you..
 
RavinRaphael said:
I have no intrest in taking any anabolic steroids. However, I would like to learn about them. I have extensive knowlege about drugs of abuse that get you high in a traditional sense. I know nothing about steroids.

A) how they work
B) reasons for taking them
C) social "scenes"
D)dangers
E) random facts

If this is out of line for this forum thats fine. I am curious about steroids and want to learn. I imagine some super big dude giving himself and IM injection of roids and being all like "TIme to hit the gym bro! RAWWWRR!" I know that is just a stereotype but damn... i mean i would use the internet to do some research but i know so little about roids that i dont even know where to start to look! help please!!! =)
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look for a movie/documentary called "Bigger, Stronger, Faster"...that will answer most of your questions
 
most work by increasing your testosterone. You either take testosterone in one form or another or you are taking a product that increases your uptake of testosterone.

Results can be seen in weeks instead of months and years. If you work out hard it is the most efficient way to get the most from your effort.

Dangers come from abuse or overuse. Taken properly they are extremely safe but everyone's body can react differently to them. Acne, irritability, mood swings, hair loss are all common side effects to the increase in testosterone.

google steroids. There are tons of steroid info boards out there. The more you understand about them the more you realize they are not the evil synthetic made out to be.
 
NickStokes said:
most work by increasing your testosterone. You either take testosterone in one form or another or you are taking a product that increases your uptake of testosterone.

Results can be seen in weeks instead of months and years. If you work out hard it is the most efficient way to get the most from your effort.

Dangers come from abuse or overuse. Taken properly they are extremely safe but everyone's body can react differently to them. Acne, irritability, mood swings, hair loss are all common side effects to the increase in testosterone.

google steroids. There are tons of steroid info boards out there. The more you understand about them the more you realize they are not the evil synthetic made out to be.
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First of all steroids are not magic solutions or pills and should not be used by anyone under the age of 21, but waiting until 24 or 25 is much more optimal...the most important factors in transforming your body is your diet and training...Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are nothing more than super supplements, so to speak. They should be used to supplement your diet and training and you have to have your diet and training on point to make the AAS work for you. The way they actually work is quite complicated, but basically they increase protein synthesis, increase nitrogen retention, and help shuttle nutrients to your muscles more efficiently. All of these things aid in the growth of muscle cells.

All AAS are either a derivative of testosterone or DHT.

The bold underlined part is a little misleading...taking exogenous hormones actually shuts down your natural production of testosterone as long as the exogenous hormone(s) is present and you aren't really taking something that increases your uptake of testosterone either. Your "uptake" is dependent on the number of receptors in your body and their availability and there isn't much that can be done to increase the uptake, but give them time to "clean off". Results are not always seen in weeks, and it usually takes 2-3 months to really see great results, but again this is dependent on diet and training plus a host of other factors like genetics and the types of AAS being used.

There are really very few dangers associated with the use of AAS. The average hospital visits per year directly related to AAS, in the US is around 5 and most of those typically end up being related to something else and AAS was just blamed. Watch that movie that I mentioned earlier and you'll get a better idea of this and how most of the rumors about their dangers got out and started. They also interview the Senator that was in charge of the committee that called for and voted to have steroids become a controlled substance in the US and he cannot answer any of the questions as to why and what led him to push for the ban.
 
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Taken properly they are extremely safe
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ayo dis a harm reduction site and that's a bold asss statement.. HOW DA FUCK ARE STERIODS EXTREMELY SAFE WITH ANY PRECAUTIONS??? steroids and safe, let alone EXTREMELY SAFE should not be associated, especially with someone contemplating trying them... HERON's extremly safe as well granted you dont sniff erry day just erry other day ull be find u wont get addicted go for it(and thats actually somewhat true but im being sarcastic, I do however know people who snif a bag, wait liek a day or two snif more, etc, and are able to stop like nothing for good even, but that by no means makes it safe at any intervals, neither are steriods or any kind of drug u put in you, as they all have reprecussions wether minute or severe).
 
that would be a scam so stay away..I recognize that site from a few scammer lists I've seen
 
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ayo dis a harm reduction site and that's a bold asss statement.. HOW DA FUCK ARE STERIODS EXTREMELY SAFE WITH ANY PRECAUTIONS??? steroids and safe, let alone EXTREMELY SAFE should not be associated, especially with someone contemplating trying them... HERON's extremly safe as well granted you dont sniff erry day just erry other day ull be find u wont get addicted go for it(and thats actually somewhat true but im being sarcastic, I do however know people who snif a bag, wait liek a day or two snif more, etc, and are able to stop like nothing for good even, but that by no means makes it safe at any intervals, neither are steriods or any kind of drug u put in you, as they all have reprecussions wether minute or severe).
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what exactly do you know about steroids? from this post, it would seem not very much. Steroids are some of the safest things that you can put into your body. I'll put the 10 years of research that I've done on them and all of the personal experience I have with them on the statement "Taken properly they are EXTREMELY SAFE."
 
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I'll put the 10 years of research that I've done on them and all of the personal experience I have with them on the statement "Taken properly they are EXTREMELY SAFE."
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My 13 years of experience and checkups (blood work) would also agree. %)



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thank you all for your input.

on a final note, i know someone who is contemplating using dbol. He has been clean from all drugs for approx..6 months. Does that constitute a relapse? In his program any drug is a relapse but becase steroids don't get you "high" he doesn't think it counts. I don't know enough to make a judgement call. What is your guys opinions?
 
RavinRaphael said:
thank you all for your input.

on a final note, i know someone who is contemplating using dbol. He has been clean from all drugs for approx..6 months. Does that constitute a relapse? In his program any drug is a relapse but becase steroids don't get you "high" he doesn't think it counts. I don't know enough to make a judgement call. What is your guys opinions?
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Not knowing anything other than this about the situation of your friend it's hard to say, but this is my opinion.

I say yes because it seems that he's turning to another drug for a crutch possibly when he would be better off just focusing that into training and proper dieting or something else. Just because steroids don't get you high doesn't mean that they can't be abused. Steroids also aren't worthwhile unless you've been training consistently and properly for at least a year, eating properly, and done plenty of research on how to use them properly and their effects (good and bad).

Dbol alone would be stupid. You're friend needs to do a lot of research and rethink his decision, imo.
 
thanks so much for your replies. he decided against doing it becuase he told me he doesnt want to change his work out program which is something he holds dear. I learned a lot about aas which was really cool, because I generally dont even think of them as a drug of abuse.
 
The difference with steroids is that to be in a position to "take them safely", takes vastly more time, learning and understanding than other classes of recreational drugs. If anything does ever go wrong with steroids (and it frequently does), board users will then all claim that they weren't "taken safely", when there is no: international association for meathead boards' guide to safe steroid use and everyone is a Monday morning quarterback in hindsight. Everyone's body is different and with hormones there is a greater unknown quantity than with the catecholamine mimetics.

Also, just missing one caveat of information with the pharmacodynamics or pharmacokinetics of steroids could potentially lead to a permanent side effect after a single 10 week course. There isn't as great a potential with a newbie doing this with other recreational drugs in a mere 10 weeks of use.

My advice would be to read google scholar or pubmed articles, as meathead boards lose a lot of nuance to steroids' mechanisms of action and their effects. They also usually dogmatically repeat their diluted "learning". A common claim that you will hear is that: "ALL steroids are HPTA suppressive". When in fact mesterolone (proviron) has been used at dosages of up to 150mg per day for 6 months continuously to actually increase fertility in men. In fact I have been considering proviron as a great candidate for HRT, without the estrogenic imbalance and HPTA suppression that sustanon will give.

On steroid boards they will always advise in upping dosages, claiming that less than 500-600mg of AAS per week is a waste even as a first cycle. This is not true, many rely too greatly on AAS rather than training technique and once they are on the AAS track they cannot gain without it. Check out "hypertrophic specific training" in google, most steroid boards will laugh at it, but it works, I've done a few programs with it and the results were better than any other program I've done, it is based on scientific research.

I've done 3 cycles in my life, never more than 500mg per week total AAS, (first one was 275mg andropen per week and the results certainly got a reaction from people that knew me). The acquaintances that sourced the andropen for me, insisted that I take nandrolone with it as it "would be a waste without it". They were very impressed with my results on just the andropen. Even with a background in biology I found the amount of reading required to be fully informed before using them to be a large undertaking and I have doubts that ANYONE would ever do this (unless you are an endocrinologist). I generally advise against steroid use. Try the HST training. I got 5kg in 8 weeks without an increase in waistline.
 
ok why was my post tooken out??? THIS IS REAL BS.... ok if u were tight cause i proved u guys wrong I understand and if u were tight maybe I cursed a bit u cud of just took out profanity but taking out the whole post is rediculus cause i do not remember exactly what I wrote and it was good as far stating my point.. so everytime I make a mod appear a bit off they delete my post way to go guys...

and fyi my friend wen I was 14 and he was 14 aswell died of a heart attack or some shit due to steroids, granted he may have done a lot wrong as in used to much or da wrong shit or i d k because the details weren't all there(all I know is he died at fuckin 14 due to roids) and wen u say they are EXTREMELY SAFE, people may misinterpret it(especialy young people) and do as my friend ruben(RIP) did and die.... Yea granted u know exactly what to take, what to avoid, exact quantity, and all that it cud be safer, however, saying they are extremely safe is just wrong, as if someone reads that they will def be more willing to try that, and maybe where u are from there are more info and proper precautions on doing them, but here kids will take what ever they can get and probably take improper doses as my homie in the sky did, and then there is definete chance of death.. I am tight u guys took out my fuckin post as it shud not have been deleted that is stupid, i say something valid in which u dont like and makes u look bad so u take it out.. thats not being a mod, thats being a sore loser ok... . If u wanna delete me entirely for saying that it will just further my verdict as i was more so right and you were just biased and wrong... so it's w/e but those bold statements u say that roids are extremely safe is FUCKING STUPID, MY FRIEND RUBEN DIED 5 YEARS AGO APRIL 12 I BELIEVE DUE TO ROIDS.... Please dont delete that now cause that is a fact and may he rip and stopping others from abusing roids surely wont bring him back, but it is wild for me to see something like that not only being said but agreed with in a harm reduction forum in which some of my far from bold statements*a lot of which were light hearted even n not ment to be taken serious* were taken out in a lot of other threads yet stupid shit like that stays??? So wen someone makes u guys appear wrong or atleast make u think thru what you really said you delete it... fuckin awesome guys can I be a mod so I can make shit my way thru threads and always appear right???? CAUSE THAT ILL BE SWEEEETT
 
maakshif said:
look for a movie/documentary called "Bigger, Stronger, Faster"...that will answer most of your questions
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This.

Everyone who comes into this forum should watch this movie.
Saw it last night...really well done and food for thought.

:D
 
it was probably deleted because it was ignorant and wrong and not for the betterment of anybody, but questioning a mod on their judgment isn't very smart or rational, imo.

as for your story...first of all your friend taking steroids at 14 is only one of many problems as no one under the age of 21 should take them and ideally they should be 24-25 before starting. Teens taking steroids is only asking for disaster.

People come here asking for advice and it is given in the right circumstances and that is what constitutes harm reduction. Providing accurate information for the safety and betterment of individuals and the community. Just because you don't know anything other than what happened with your friend and he didn't know any better, doesn't mean that steroids are not extremely safe. What else was your friend doing? What kind of diet did he have? Was he a diabetic? Did he have a heart condition? Did he exercise? There are numerous things that could have led to his heart attack besides steroids, though like I mentioned teens and steroids is a recipe for disaster on many levels.

My question to you is this. Do you go to other sections of the site saying how dangerous it is to do any other drugs, because many many many more people die from them than they do from steroids? If you were to do some real research, you'd find that steroids are actually just as safe or safer than many things including vitamin C.

Depression, convulsions, anxiety, jaundice, myocardial infarction--which is heart attack--eczema, abscess, vaginal pain, vaginal discharge.
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Those are the side effects of Vitamin C. So should it never be used again and citrus fruits be banned?

I'm sorry for your loss, but there is quite a bit wrong with your friends' steroid use and it should be noted that he was 14 and no one here would recommend that a 14 year old use steroids and it is not safe for anyone under the age of 21 to use steroids. There is a wealth of information on the safety of and safe use of steroids for adults over the age of 21.
 
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I am fully aware of that, however, anyone being 14 or 30 who reads "steroids are extremely safe" may misinterpret that for more than it's worth.. As in in they may believe it is extremely safe in the sense weed could be extremley safe cause you cant OD from it and they may take more then they shud u kno. Im not saying with proper precautions, proper steroids, diet, etc,,,, they cant be safe but saying they are extremely safe is plain retarded imo... and anyway I aint neva need no type of roids, and am well built, and one thing is for sure roid strength aint seein natural strength so imo there dumb and for weak bodied people who can not acheive results naturally.. Y I wouldnt say that for every drug is because other drugs like dust or w/e give you alterd results u can not reach naturally, however steroids seem just to be for weak minded/bodied people who need instant fake stature instead of actually achieving real mass, so imo it is an uneneccesary form of endangerment which in no way should be concidered extremely safe, and once again I am not going against other drugs as they have affects in which you basically will only be able to achieve thru taking them(like you cant naturally get an mdma high right, but u can naturallly and by far healthier results as well as persistant results thru working out as opposed to imo the dumb quick fix roids) . So in a way Im not for them but to each is there own, however they shud not be considered extremely safe.
 
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