Help in understanding Dissociation

[1cheeselova]

Alright, so I'm trying to break through into trying some Dissociatives but, i'm having some struggles
I've had 3 high plateau DXM trips, one puke/shitfest, one decent trip/pukefest, and one pretty awesome trip.
MXE i have done once at 50mg, was pretty overwhelmed by Dopamine reuptake inhibiton, I figured I needed to learn about what I was doing more as I had no idea this did anything but agonize NMDA. Overall, I had fun but was in no mood for the stimulation.
What i'm asking is. Is there any dissassociative, that involves no stimulation? maybe even something i could sleep on :D

 

[Albion]

Sending this over to PD. Dissociatives are more their turf.

 

[alexvolume2]

Fuck, I typed a whole response and hit the wrong buttton. A quick summation of the dissociative state is that, subjectively of course, I am separated a bit from the darkness that I typically feel during my waking hours. I am primarily referring to dextromethorphan as its the dissociative I have the most experience with. N20 gives a quick, literally, insight into dissociation but it's also subtle and non-stimulating and if you use a lot it's really fun. Dissociatives are extremely powerful and dangerous mind tools that some can handle and see value in, oftentimes too much(e.g. psychotic states, grandiose delusions, manic episodes) and that others should just stay away from. I can say that they have personally helped and harmed me like no other drugs I've ever experienced. Nothing has ever made me gain and lose so much, on all fronts. I will elaborate if anyone is curious. I have used and abused dissociatives for nearly a decade and while I can ramble on and on, I will leave a little mystery to the post.

 

[psood0nym]

^If you're going to bother with typing out your story, you might as well pick whichever dissociative you've had the most experience with and submit your experience with it as a retrospective report on Erowid. It sounds like it could be a good read.

Regarding the OP's question: um.. ketamine? I'm guessing you don't have access to that, though, or you wouldn't be asking the question. I find 4-MeO-PCP less stimulating than MXE or the other 3-MeOs. Its expensive, but that might be worth a shot if you can't get ketamine. You might also try combining DXM and MXE. By taking smaller doses of both, you might reduce the intensity of the effects of each you don't want. There have been reports saying it's a bad combination, but it's never given me any trouble. I also recommend taking DXM in spaced out doses to lessen unwanted side effects.

 

[Bone14]

Ketamine is a much more calm than MXE and without any stimulation.

 

[1cheeselova]

Reading all the comments now but forgot to mention that i've done N20, I LOVED it, it felt amazingly good from 3 balloons. The hangover was depressingly bad enough to not want to do it again, at least for a while.


edit: well nope, can't get ket directly but i'm getting more connected so maybe in the future.
Just to get the picture, ketamine is not stimulating at all and possibly sedating? or is it just slightly stimulating? I'm talking about very sub-hole levels. I like sticking to keeping complete motor function unless im in a free setting.

Well i've done a little research and it appears Methoxetamine is definitely a DRI, NMDA agonist, PCP is a D2, DMDA agonist, and ketamine is a weak D2 agonist, DRI, and NMDA agonist? could anyone confirm?

 

[Biovail]

I don't have an answer to your question, but just to be sure everybody is clear, these are NMDA antagonists we're talking about, not NMDA agonists. Don't want to spread misinformation

 

[wildwendigo]

Reading all the comments now but forgot to mention that i've done N20, I LOVED it, it felt amazingly good from 3 balloons. The hangover was depressingly bad enough to not want to do it again, at least for a while.

Hangover from nitrous? Now that sounds weird.... Were you on something else also? Or did you just suffocate yourself with it?

 

[1cheeselova]

nope really didnt do a lot of it, i was smoking plenty of weed. I did hold maybe a little too long for a few hits if that makes a difference.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Ketamine is a much more calm than MXE and without any stimulation.

^ This. Some people report problems sleeping on Ketamine, but on the contrary it often knocked me out before I actually wanted it to, mid trip. Obviously this only happened when I was too tired and laying down, but it feels like a very sedating high, not so up and stimulating like most other dissociatives. YMMV of course, and I seem to remember one of the isomers was more sedating while the other was a little more manic.

 

[wayab]

ketamine from a vial + pure dxm powder + n2o
the ultimate dissociation and i could only imagine adding a floatation tank to the mix ! my gods that will be fracking insane
and about the stimulation ketamine is stimulating for me but not in the way mxe is. it can keep me awake but feeling quite calm and without the need to do stuff - just float arround my in my consiosness

 

[Warlok]

Try taking a low dose of DXM (350-500 mg) and smoke some weed as you begin to feel it kick in. It adds a lot to the experience and may help a bit with the nausea. It's definitely not stimulating. It sounds like Ketamine is going to be what you're looking for though. Also on a side note, does PCP even like, exist anymore? I've never even heard of anyone around here using it or seeing it for that matter.

 

[Crashing]

It seems to me that, out of 4 dissociative experiences, 2 weren't great and 1 was horrible. Wouldn't it be counterproductive to keep doing them? There isn't any dissociative that you can sleep on, but ketamine is a lot shorter in duration than DXM so that might result in getting to bed earlier. Dissociatives are stimulating but to me they generally feel depressive, but this could be the fact that you aren't dosing high enough to fully break into the other side.

 

[lightforce]

Ketamine for doesn't exactly put me to "sleep". My body will be very tired and I'll feel tired but my brain is till awake. I can lay there for a few hours just looking into darkness in my mind but yet I still can't sleep.