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Help - difficulty getting desired results from psyhcs

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Hey guys, hoping someone can help me out... Over the last few months I've started experimenting with various psychs, and while I've had fun and enjoyed it, i've had neither OEV's nor any ego shattering or insightful experiences.

I've tried (in date order):

Mushrooms - 3g dried. Got a light buzz and a bit of happy feeling, slight visual alteration i.e. things just looked strange, nothing major, quite dissapointing really, was like i'd had about 1/4 of a joint. My GF had half as much as me and was getting mild OEV's, trails and a picture of buildings came to life with people walking by etc. the same picture did nothing for me, except it seemed to be moving back and forth a bit

2c-i and 2c-e - around 60mg over the course of a day, i think i started with 15mg 2ce, then two doses of 20mg 2ci, then another 15mg of 2ce (over about 8 hours). Had a wild fun time, laughing and talking shit with 3 friends who were doing the same thing. They all reported crazy visuals, at one point I apparently turned into the cheshire cat and my mate turned into the devil according to my GF who only had about half as much as me, and only 2ci. I got some mild hallucinations, my hands seemed to change size and some lines in my house were all wonky, but at no point did I see anything that wasnt there. Did get some serious CEV's, repeating patterns and space-invader like computer generated images

Various other low dose experiences i.e. 10mg of 2ce, very mild trails but thats about it.

And most recently, this weekend, after being frustrated with never getting OEV's I decided to go (what I thought was) balls to the wall with 30mg 2ce. Amazing music appreciation and high feeling, no OEV's at all apart from a feeling that everything looked subtly different. No real CEV's either except when closing my eyes and listening to music I seemed to have some crazy imagination visuals. I wasn't actually seeing anything just my "minds eye" as one might say. As far as I know these arent CEV's just imaginatory? Not sure if they are the same thing.

I consider myself a very stable person, no issues within myself, I have a great and very happy life, just seem to never be able to get OEV's. Especially with 30mg 2ce I was expecing anything from melting walls, pretty colours, to full on alien encouters but nothing at all except feeling massivaly high and music was incredible.

Do I have the wrong attitude or approach? I also seem to have a massive tolerance to mdma (Always take twice as many pills as my GF to get to the same level as her, despite only done if a handful of times, less than 10). Is it possible to have a general tolerance for everything? Should I try 2ce again but with an even higher dose? I'm eager to experience either some sort of ego death or at least self-introspection, or proper OEV's but it just doesn't seem seem to happen!

I'm 26, male and about 85kg... thanks
 
My first question for you, are you on any medications?

Anti-psychotics, pain pills, and some anti-depressants can mute or complete kill a trip.

Also, if you drink heavily, that could also be the problem. Alcohol and psychedelics don't mix well for most people.

I also think you are approaching it with the wrong attitude. The trip should not just be about seeing 'crazy shit' like visuals. It should be exploring yourself as a person and how you interact with your family, friends, environment, etc. If you approach the trip with an attitude of exploration, rather than wanting to trip balls, you'll probably have a much better time. Just my 2 cents.

EDIT: Also, forgot my second question. What was the time frame on you trips? How closely were they spaced? Most pyschs have a cross tolerance, meaning if you take 3 grams of mushrooms one night, and the next night take 20 mg 2ce, your 2ce trip could be very muted.
 
Thanks for the reply. No meds, drink maybe once a week, maybe 6-8 drinks in a week. In other words yes I drink but no more than average :)

And as far as attitude goes, maybe you're right, but at the moment all I want is a strong experience - whether it be crazy visuals or self discovery. I'd be happy with either, I'd love to take something, lie down and think about life, the universe, and everything. I'd love to consider my place in the world, my interactions with family and friends etc, I think I have a completely open mind to whatever the drug wants to give me, it's just that none of the ones i've tried seem to want to give me anything other than feeling fucked up - which is nice, but I want something deeper.

Timing is about once every 2 weeks. Always spaced out by at least 1 week... Is it possible that I'm too "grounded" or heavily attached to the real world? Is that even a real thing? :)
 
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i think you should try mushrooms at a higher dose. i know a guy who doesn't feel a thing unless he eats around 7g... and even then he only gets mild visuals... i dont think you have the wrong attitude or approach at all, whats wrong with wanting to see some shit move..
 
Thanks, I did try plugging but i must have done it wrong (not very experienced sticking things up there!) and it all just dribbled out (was in liquid form) so I then had the 30mg orally (not the stuff that had previously dripped out my bum :) ). So theres even a chance that I had more than 30mg if some of the rectal dose did happen to get absorbed, but I don't think that happened at all

Maybe next time i'll try rectal again and get it right... I'm not expecting pink elephants but from reading a lot of reports on erowid I was certainly expecting something more than everything just looking a bit unusual. Maybe i'll try no music and staring at one spot so I have nothing to divert my attention from the inward journey... we'll see.

I just hate this tolerance I seem to have... makes everything very expensive and underwhelming... oh well, guess it's just something I have to come to terms with. Should be getting some 4-aco-dmt very soon so maybe that will get some results, though i still have some doubts because of my previous shrooms experience... only time will tell though!
 
For me, OEVs always tend to follow CEVs, so I like to close my eyes and listen to music.
 
It used to be a very rare occasion that I would get OEV effects beyond visual static in low light areas and trails, but the more I tripped the more prone to have visual effects I became. I dont really enjoy overwhelmingly visual trips these days anyway sice it tends to detract from the mental effects which are my primary reason for using psychedelics. Claritin seems to abate to a large extent visuals, so keep that in mind if you have allergies like me...
 
Look into meditation!

It's not something you have to believe in or anything, think of it as opening yourself up to experience everything more intensely - pay very clear attention to nothing in particular, that should do the trick.
If you meditate long enough while sober you can get visuals as well, which goes to show that it should help your situation as well if you put in some effort.
 
2c-e really isn't the most visual of the drugs...

A pretty decent dose of 2c-i combined with MDMA was one of the most visually intense experiences i have had (except for salvia and my doing a nitrous balloon on 500ug of LSD and 250mg molly) in which case all visual touch with reality is lost.... the world exist soley in the form of fractals with the nitrous candyflip.....

2c-i is a rather visual psych, if your going to go "balls to the wall" and do a heroic dose to try and get visuals, 2c-i is probably one of the better 2c's for the job.... You could fuck around with T-7, but watch your dosing and have a sober friend should you go into a delerium and get violent or whatnot (its happened to some, and there have been a couple of fatal overdoses from snorting) but its supposed to be rediculously visual....

You could go for DMT, if that doesn't cause any visuals, i would be suprised....

Try some nitrous the next time your tripping... Be sure to be sitting though, i can walk around huffing nitrous without any psychs in my system, but tripping i lose all touch with reality....
 
^I could not disagree with your "2c-e really isn't the most visual of the drugs" assertion more. It is easily the most visual phen I tried, and it blows many indoles (psilocin, 4-ho-dipt, 4-ho-dpt, 5-meo dmt,etc) out of the water as well.
 
it seems like you've tried all these with your gf... do you find yourself acting or feeling differently around her than you do around other people or when you're alone?
 
^I could not disagree with your "2c-e really isn't the most visual of the drugs" assertion more. It is easily the most visual phen I tried, and it blows many indoles (psilocin, 4-ho-dipt, 4-ho-dpt, 5-meo dmt,etc) out of the water as well.

It made things pretty, im not saying its not a visual drug, i very nicely lost myself in tree fractals for quite some time alone in the woods...

2c-i i found to be considerably more visual, but its all opinion....
2c-b is a lot of pleasant morphing for me, very colorful as well...

DOM has been the only drug to give me legitament synesthesia, awesome to see bass lines send ripples through the air like shock waves....

As far as morphing and whatnot goes, i found mushrooms to be pretty visual at low to moderate doses, i have never tripped as hard as i would like to on shrooms...

LSD is a lot of fractals for me...

Im not knocking the 2c's at all, fucking love them, a wonderful family of chemicals. But out of visual to mental i have to say 2c-i, 2c-b, 2c-e out of the ones i have tried... c and d are on the to do list....
 
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