Help a 46 year old with anavar.

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OK my dad's looking to try gear but doesn't want to inject, primarily looking for fat loss and strength gains.
Anavar springs to mind

He's been training years now, decent diet although still has a bit of stubborn fat that won't move and has seen my results with gear.
He wants to try var for the first time.

Should I let him without test?
Would he see significant results?
What's the best cycle for someone niave to gear looking to try them for the first time? I've suggested anavar due to its low side effect profile and fitting his goals without much worry of side effects.

He at his age refuses to inject.

Any ideas?
 
Being a certain age isnt a reason not to inject,
He needs to strongly consider it. Any steroid you do will shut down what little test production he still has which will be counter productive to anything hes trying to accomplish

Has he tried to go see a doctor to get on testosterone therapy?
Anvar isnt very cost effective in men even more so if youre not taking test with it

A normal cycle cycle for a beginning is something simple like 250mg teste/wk. At his age he will see great results from something that simple

Taking a low dose amount of test right now should yield little to no negative side effects. Most side effects come from abuse for the most part.
The only thing to pay attention to is he currently obese or overweight in general? Becuase using gear when you are fairly overweight will cause a problem with estrogren build up which can yield what negative side effects you could get from low dose testosterone
 
nolys said:
OK my dad's looking to try gear but doesn't want to inject, primarily looking for fat loss and strength gains.
Anavar springs to mind

He's been training years now, decent diet although still has a bit of stubborn fat that won't move and has seen my results with gear.
He wants to try var for the first time.

Should I let him without test?
Would he see significant results?
What's the best cycle for someone niave to gear looking to try them for the first time? I've suggested anavar due to its low side effect profile and fitting his goals without much worry of side effects.

He at his age refuses to inject.

Any ideas?
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Anavar is all we had back in the stone age... Try your Dad on 25mg/day 4 weeks on 6 weeks off, see how he goes..
 
I don't know alot about anavar as in my opinion it is the most pointless steroid after Winstol on the planet, at least for my own goals. The reason I was suggesting it was for the reason it is very unsuppressive and can be run without test as it does not aromatise to any massive degree.

Gf, what sort of effects do you think he will notice from the anavar, as I mentioned he is looking for strength gains and cutting fat, he has a fairly decent diet and by no means overeats or eats crap, he has one bad meal a week on a Saturday which is normally a Chinese or Indian take away ect, he really doesn't eat that much.
He's probably sitting about 18-22% bf which is quite high but he has a good build under it
He does spin classes twice a week and high intensity resistance training 4x per week. Although at his age he isn't getting very far.

II don't want to reccomend a cutting agent like clen or eca due to the side effects and him being a bit overweight which could lead to heart complications.

Why do you suggest 25mg it seems a low dose and would you advise taper, pct or just full stop? And do you mean 6 on 4 off?
 
NeighborMike said:
Being a certain age isnt a reason not to inject,
He needs to strongly consider it. Any steroid you do will shut down what little test production he still has which will be counter productive to anything hes trying to accomplish

Has he tried to go see a doctor to get on testosterone therapy?
Anvar isnt very cost effective in men even more so if youre not taking test with it

A normal cycle cycle for a beginning is something simple like 250mg teste/wk. At his age he will see great results from something that simple

Taking a low dose amount of test right now should yield little to no negative side effects. Most side effects come from abuse for the most part.
The only thing to pay attention to is he currently obese or overweight in general? Becuase using gear when you are fairly overweight will cause a problem with estrogren build up which can yield what negative side effects you could get from low dose testosterone
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Hi thanks for your reply, he is actually sort of against the use of steroids in general, he's just sick of getting nowhere in the gym, and wants no side effects at all, I reccomended trt to him but he does not want to inject for the rest of his life and at his age it is more dangerous to run a cycle due to suppression and being harder to recover. Above all else he just does not want to inject. He never even considered steroids until he found out about my usage and started gaining an interest.
I'm fairly clued up on steroid usage I used to moderate this forum and in general am against oral only usage apart from anavar.
Reason I have suggested it is due to its low estrogenic side effects, little effect on testosterone suppression, fits his goals perfectly. I wouldn't suggest test for him at his age unless it was long term
 
At 46, especially if he's already stagnating on the gains, is there even very much going on to suppress?
 
nolys said:
I don't know alot about anavar as in my opinion it is the most pointless steroid after Winstol on the planet, at least for my own goals. The reason I was suggesting it was for the reason it is very unsuppressive and can be run without test as it does not aromatise to any massive degree.

Gf, what sort of effects do you think he will notice from the anavar, as I mentioned he is looking for strength gains and cutting fat, he has a fairly decent diet and by no means overeats or eats crap, he has one bad meal a week on a Saturday which is normally a Chinese or Indian take away ect, he really doesn't eat that much.
He's probably sitting about 18-22% bf which is quite high but he has a good build under it
He does spin classes twice a week and high intensity resistance training 4x per week. Although at his age he isn't getting very far.

II don't want to reccomend a cutting agent like clen or eca due to the side effects and him being a bit overweight which could lead to heart complications.

Why do you suggest 25mg it seems a low dose and would you advise taper, pct or just full stop? And do you mean 6 on 4 off?
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25mg/day 4 on 6 off was me being conservative with his health... he could stretch to 4 on 4 off...

I did fine on 25mg back when I was a lad, so don't see any reason to suggest a higher dose for a youngster of 46...

Any steroid could potentially lead to heart complications..

He should notice all the things we do, but somewhat reduced..
 
nolys said:
Hi thanks for your reply, he is actually sort of against the use of steroids in general, he's just sick of getting nowhere in the gym, and wants no side effects at all, I reccomended trt to him but he does not want to inject for the rest of his life and at his age it is more dangerous to run a cycle due to suppression and being harder to recover. Above all else he just does not want to inject. He never even considered steroids until he found out about my usage and started gaining an interest.
I'm fairly clued up on steroid usage I used to moderate this forum and in general am against oral only usage apart from anavar.
Reason I have suggested it is due to its low estrogenic side effects, little effect on testosterone suppression, fits his goals perfectly. I wouldn't suggest test for him at his age unless it was long term
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Like the other guys says youre trying to avoid problems that dont really pertain to your dads situation or are also unavoidable regardless of what he uses
I would really get him to just go the trt rout, its easy to sit there feeling slugish not making gains talking about what you wont do, but im sure if you can convince him and he starts feeling 25 again he will chain his toon

I have a long history of turning girls i mess with fathers over to the dark side
 
trozzle said:
At 46, especially if he's already stagnating on the gains, is there even very much going on to suppress?
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Not really but I don't want him ending up with very little test production at all he would find it much more difficult to recover

Genetic Freak said:
25mg/day 4 on 6 off was me being conservative with his health... he could stretch to 4 on 4 off...

I did fine on 25mg back when I was a lad, so don't see any reason to suggest a higher dose for a youngster of 46...

Any steroid could potentially lead to heart complications..

He should notice all the things we do, but somewhat reduced..
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Thanks gf I think I would start him on 30 mg per day and see how he goes he's relatively healthy much more so than I am, he just has that weight you gain as you get a bit older and your hormones turn to shit.
Would you reccomend a pct of any sort? A taper? Or with that low dosage should be be fine to just stop dead?


NeighborMike said:
Like the other guys says youre trying to avoid problems that dont really pertain to your dads situation or are also unavoidable regardless of what he uses
I would really get him to just go the trt rout, its easy to sit there feeling slugish not making gains talking about what you wont do, but im sure if you can convince him and he starts feeling 25 again he will chain his toon

I have a long history of turning girls i mess with fathers over to the dark side
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I have tried, he gets pretty defensive when I bring up that he's older and his hormones have turned to shit. Because I'm young and a bit of a know it all he doesn't really listen to me with things like this he thinks I'm just acting like I know everything if you get me. I've advised trt but he doesn't like the idea of injecting himself for the rest of his life but I know If I convinced him he wouldn't look back.

He does pretty well for his age his cardiovascular is pretty good and decent strength for never using gear he can bench 100kg about 3-4 times which isn't bad at all in my book. Obviously he has nothing on me whilst on cycle but for his age and natty it's not bad
 
nolys said:
Not really but I don't want him ending up with very little test production at all he would find it much more difficult to recover

Thanks gf I think I would start him on 30 mg per day and see how he goes he's relatively healthy much more so than I am, he just has that weight you gain as you get a bit older and your hormones turn to shit.
Would you recommend a pct of any sort? A taper? Or with that low dosage should be be fine to just stop dead?
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20mg might have been more prudent... lol

He could taper 20mg, then 10mg over the last week....

Remember the average male only produces about 7mg/day, my intention was a little perk-up, nothing else..
 
Did anyone else notice GF said "a youngster of 46" lol. Should change user name to "grandpa freak" if 46 is young :P
I'm in on this. Let's see them ol man gains!
 
Genetic Freak said:
20mg might have been more prudent... lol

He could taper 20mg, then 10mg over the last week....

Remember the average male only produces about 7mg/day, my intention was a little perk-up, nothing else..
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I think it's actually less on average than 7mg, how does anavar correlate to Nat test production though?
Yes me too that's the intention so he starts moving a bit again then maybe once he's convinced I can get him on trt
 
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