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TheSheExperiment

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Hi there,

After reading the forum guidelines for posting an introduction, I'm a little conflicted on how to introduce myself and how to explain why I'm here...

I'm a twenty-seven year old female in California, and basically, I ended up inadvertently being raised as a test subject with regard to psychotropic drugs. At age seven I was diagnosed with childhood depression and put on Zoloft. At age nine, I was put on Ritalin. If only I had known at the time that Ritalin is almost molecularly identical to cocaine... By age twelve, I was being prescribed massive amounts of prescription amphetamines for the supposed purpose of treating my depression, counteracting fatigue from massive dosages of benzodiazepines, and for a supposed diagnosis of ADD. I was first put on Klonopin/clonazepam when I was only eleven years old. By age fifteen, I had been subjected to pretty much every type of prescribed psychotropic drug that existed. My family and myself had no idea that I was using legal, lab created versions of street drugs. Eventually I got into trouble for smoking pot and ended up being one of the "screwed up kids." Marijuana was in no way a gateway drug though - prescription Desoxyn (methamphetamine sulfate) and Dilaudid (hydromorphone) were, which were prescribed to me by doctors in my youngest of teen years as "last resort options," or "experiments" in getting a non-responsive mood disorder to "respond." Basically, they just wanted to see what sort of highs they could instigate in me - which ones might, "fix," me, which ones could keep me in a tranquilized stupor yet permitting me and stimulating me to function fully and normally in society - "success," was based on whichever/whoever doctor came up with the right, "cocktail." Hence, no one ever "succeeded." Eventually I ended up going through electro-convulsive therapy at age sixteen, (having six treatments - which I opted for because I was tired of taking their medications) and the had eight more maintenance treatments at twenty-two. Shortly after this time, I started seeing a psychiatrist who attempted to prescribe me intravenous amitol for sleep (a barbiturate and anesthetic) - I was given a liter of chloral hydrate (a sedative and anesthetic used by dentists in the late 1800s) instead as the pharmacist wouldn't dispense an IV drug. The same doctor soon put me on Suboxone as well, despite me not having had an opiate drug problem. It took a year to get off of it and recover... In the more recent years, I was a patient in "group b" at UC Davis' neuroscience and behavioral health FDA approval experiment for the current TMS machine (transcranial magnetic stimulation). I've been given thousands of different drugs in an attempt to cure my non-responsive major depression recurrent, generalized anxiety disorder and panic disorder. Essentially, I was guinea pigged by dozens of doctors eager to experiment with different psychiatric medications and procedures from the time I was a small child. There are many people I'd like to sue. I suffered from methamphetamine addiction at one point in my twenties and I entirely blame the doctors who predisposed me to stimulants in my early teen years. At this point, I am doing well in my life. I still take a lot of prescribed medication, but am no longer a victim of experimentation. Although this biography is probably disturbing, I felt that describing my background was necessary. With every prescription I ever received, I spent hours researching the substance and have ended up with a huge internal library of thorough information on psychotropic substances, including those that aren't prescribed (thanks mostly to the Erowid Vaults' extensive articles and collections of research).

I joined this forum because I have heard over the years, and have more recently been curious about, the manipulation of prescription drugs. I hear of people smoking and injecting prescription medication, which is entirely foreign to me. I've just developed a curiosity as to how the procedures work and why people would prefer to manipulate the intake of pills instead of just swallowing them. I have no intention of abusing any medication or doing anything illegal - I am just curious about the pharmokinetics and mechanisms of the drugs I was prescribed so often throughout my life with next to no knowledge of at all at first, and now excessive amounts of knowledge - yet no knowledge in regard to the possible methods of physical consumption and intake. At this point, I would say I understand all of the major psychotropic drug classes thoroughly - as well as having a thorough self-education on most all psychotropic drugs (thanks to hours and hours spent reading the DSM-IV, PDR, Wikipedia, and the Erowid Vaults). What I don't understand or know about is the concept of smoking or injecting pills, and I joined this forum because I want to broaden my self-education in pharmacology - specifically with interest in the usage of medications and drugs in a non-oral intake manner. I have heard of separating substances with filters, acetone and alcohol - how does this work? What is the procedure for this? These are my curiosities... I also decided to join this forum after reading a bunch of threads that interested me on a number of different topics that I found intriguing. I'd like to join in the conversation.

Thanks for having me,

--TheSheExperiment
 
Wow! Zoloft at 7 and benzos and amphetamines at 12! That's crazy.

Questions about benzos, amphs, and opioids belong in Other Drugs.
Check out Mental Health if you wanna discuss mental disorders.

Basically, people inject or smoke pills to get a stronger and/or faster and/or longer effect. It all depends on the drug's different bioavailabilities. Injected morphine for example is around 3 times stronger than oral morphine IIRC.

Filtrations and extractions are mainly used to get rid of unwanted substances.
 
Welcome to Bluelight!

That is an incredible story, may I ask how all of this started to happen? Like inadvertently on these scripts, how does that happen? My only recommendation is watch out when it comes to different ROAs, some people say it opens up a lot of tricky doors once you know you can do things a different way with what you are able to do. But I am sure you know what you are doing, like you said you are just broadening your education and you've got things going good for ya. :) I can understand why you needed to open up in your thread and I am sure other people will like to get to know you!


Any questions or queries feel free to send me a PM :)
 
That is an incredible story, may I ask how all of this started to happen? Like inadvertently on these scripts, how does that happen?

Well, basically, I was born with some sort of serotonin reuptake inhibition syndrome that is genetic on my father's side of the family. By the time I was just three or four, I was making suicidal statements - my parents were Christian, and I'd say things like, "Mom, I want to go to heaven right right right RIGHT now! Why can't we go and leave this place?!" At the time, they didn't entirely recognize the nature of the statements. When I was about seven or eight, one day I told my mom through my excessive tearfulness that I needed to go to the doctor because I didn't want to live anymore and something was just, "wrong." I actually identified my depression that young in life. Basically, I cried all the time, had no friends, didn't engage normally in elementary school, and noticed that my mood and personhood was not like any of the other kids. Plus, at this point, I was plainly stating that I wanted to die.

So anyway, I was diagnosed with severe early childhood depression and that's when the pills and prescriptions started. I didn't reject the pills, and I remember my first day after the Zoloft took effect - I had never felt normal before at all and just hadn't even known it until I finally experienced, "normal," for the first time. It was amazing to say the least - the relief, the newfound pleasure in activities and so forth. But then the disorder started to develop further and I started dealing with insomnia. That's when the benzos came into the picture and then the amphetamines.

As for the shock therapy, I researched it myself when I was sixteen and elected for it on my own. I was at a place where no medications were working anymore and I felt that my quality of life was putting me into a life or death situation. At first I was looking for lobotomies - thank heavens they don't perform those anymore! Anyway, I ran across info on modern ECT treatment and happened to find out that my city in California has the best ECT doctors in the state. So I told my parents about it, met with the doctors and opted to do it.

So, that's pretty much how all this began. The escalation into the heavy and addicting prescription meds though was never a request nor something any of us (my family) were really even aware of - I put that on the doctors... They shouldn't have been prescribing stuff like that to a kid. They say just a little marijuana in your teens can mess up your brain, so why on god's green earth would they give amphetamines and benzos to a developing child/teen's mind? I'm sure my brain would show up shaped like an heirloom tomato on a scan :p

--TheSheExperiment

Wow that is an amazing story...you should write an autobiography.

I've wanted to for a long time, but I feel that there should be some sort of happy ending or outcome for the end of the book, and at this point, there really wouldn't be a conclusion just yet. I have thought about starting it though and working on it as time goes along. Someone once suggested that I write it in volumes and put from age zero up to my current age of twenty-seven as volume one, and then publish more volumes as I get older... It sounds like a lot of work though!

--TheSheExperiment

Wow! Zoloft at 7 and benzos and amphetamines at 12! That's crazy.

Questions about benzos, amphs, and opioids belong in Other Drugs.
Check out Mental Health if you wanna discuss mental disorders.

Basically, people inject or smoke pills to get a stronger and/or faster and/or longer effect. It all depends on the drug's different bioavailabilities. Injected morphine for example is around 3 times stronger than oral morphine IIRC.

Filtrations and extractions are mainly used to get rid of unwanted substances.

Thanks for the welcome and for rerouting me to the best areas of the forums for my particular issues :)

--TheSheExperiment
 
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Eventually I got into trouble for smoking pot and ended up being one of the "screwed up kids." Marijuana was in no way a gateway drug though - prescription Desoxyn (methamphetamine sulfate) and Dilaudid (hydromorphone) were
This really caught my attention.. it's so paradoxical and controversial to popular belief.

I'm fascinated by all the things you've gone through during the years, it's an absolutely incredible story. I'm sure you'll find what you search for around these eges.

Welcome!
 
Apparently, in earlier times, newborns, were treated as young adults, not kids or children.
 
I've wanted to for a long time, but I feel that there should be some sort of happy ending or outcome for the end of the book, and at this point, there really wouldn't be a conclusion just yet. I have thought about starting it though and working on it as time goes along. Someone once suggested that I write it in volumes and put from age zero up to my current age of twenty-seven as volume one, and then publish more volumes as I get older... It sounds like a lot of work though!

--TheSheExperiment

It is a lot of work, but will raise awareness and help many people. And you'll make some money as well ;)
 
It is really disturbing that they give kids prescriptions for really addictive, controlled substances. It's really becoming less and less unusual though, unfortunately. I remember when I was a teenager and I used to get in trouble for cutting myself - they'd put me in the mental hospital. Granted, it was a nice hospital though... More like a five star hotel - unlimited little containers of ice cream all day, two big, flatscreen TVs - one with DVDs and the other with surround sound for football games and news, thickly carpeted floors, (no tile), and real beds, not hospital beds nor jail cots. But anyway, I spent enough time in there to see that they were giving out medications like peppermint candies to kids - if you can even call some of that stuff medicine. I straight up saw them just junk out kids or hype them up... Just so they'd fit into society better, get better grades, be too sedated to get into fights with other kids, etc. etc. They seemed to think they were going to fix the world's behaviorally challenged children with pills... Of those kids I still know to this day, most ended up in jail and/or on meth. It's really... Negligent, honestly. It's just easier for them to prescribe pills than to do any therapy with the kids which would be real work for said type of doctor - God forbid anyone lift a finger though...
 
Welcome to Bluelight!

What an interesting addition to the site we are happy to have you.

I have to say i wish i could say this wasnt true but i know how screwed up our world is.

Its unfortunate you had to go through all this but your here with us today and that must feel good.

SSRIs are not for everybody i wish for eventually living a medicine free life and going totally natural i know this isnt feasible for everyone bjt i think we should all at least strive for this, medicine should be the last resort.
 
It is really disturbing that they give kids prescriptions for really addictive, controlled substances. It's really becoming less and less unusual though, unfortunately. I remember when I was a teenager and I used to get in trouble for cutting myself - they'd put me in the mental hospital. Granted, it was a nice hospital though... More like a five star hotel - unlimited little containers of ice cream all day, two big, flatscreen TVs - one with DVDs and the other with surround sound for football games and news, thickly carpeted floors, (no tile), and real beds, not hospital beds nor jail cots. But anyway, I spent enough time in there to see that they were giving out medications like peppermint candies to kids - if you can even call some of that stuff medicine. I straight up saw them just junk out kids or hype them up... Just so they'd fit into society better, get better grades, be too sedated to get into fights with other kids, etc. etc. They seemed to think they were going to fix the world's behaviorally challenged children with pills... Of those kids I still know to this day, most ended up in jail and/or on meth. It's really... Negligent, honestly. It's just easier for them to prescribe pills than to do any therapy with the kids which would be real work for said type of doctor - God forbid anyone lift a finger though...
I wish this was not true but every ounce of that post is 100% truthful. Where as my situation is not as severe as yours, I was put on Ritalin as a 9 year old for supposed ADHD. I even told the doctor when she asked me if I felt like I was able to concentrate in class and if I felt different than other kids, I told her I was completely fine(granted this was in a one-on-one visit without my parents present) and I really didn't think I needed any medication as I was a straight A student. But, when we left the room she had written a prescription for Ritalin and gave it to my parents and told them that I had ADHD (which after my further research, a doctor is supposed to administer a behavioral test before prescribing any scheduled amphetamines). I then took that till I was about 15 bumping up the dosage not fairly often. But, around my freshman year of high school I started experiencing severe depression (attempted suicide and such) for no reason. I was a varsity lacrosse player my first year of high school, had a great girlfriend, and a 4.0 gpa. I just felt like there was nothing to live for. Me and my parents started to look for possible reason and found nothing until he stumbled upon a study about the effects of amphetamines on a growing childs brain and the study basically concluded that people who take any ADD or ADHD stimulant before their brain is fully developed may lead to severe depression. Luckily, after years of SSRI's i have been able to ween completely off the 80mg prozac and am now a happy functioning adult. It still just disgusts me that doctors will give away such brain-altering chemicals to children of such a young age. I am very glad that you are still here today and are doing better it sounds like.
 
Thank you :)
And yeah, I don't know why they do that with the Ritalin. My mom's a second grade teacher and half of her class takes Ritalin. I think it's actually a CNS stimulant though, not an amphetamine - in the technical sense. That doesn't really matter though because it acts in the same way. What's really disturbing is that Ritalin/methylphenidate is almost molecularly identical to cocaine... It certainly has a lot of the same properties and the same onset, peak, duration and come down times. And yes, those things totally damage kids' brains! They've found that the frontal lobe will not grow correctly, which is the part of your brain that controls judgment, consequences and mood. I saw an article recently on how marijuana does that to people who use it in their teen years and they were making a big fuss about it... C'mon! Let's address a WAY more serious problem that's totally being overlooked! I'm sure my brain must be shaped like an heirloom tomato :-/ Those Adderall prescriptions are even worse because those are amphetamines in the same technical class as meth! And they're just handing those out as well. Supposedly they now have Provigil, Nuvigil and Strattera, which they call non-stimulants, but that's only a half truth... They don't act on the brain as a stimulant but they cause the brain to produce the neurotransmitter that's the precursor to getting stimulated - so you still get all cracked out and stuff, there's just a technicality that it isn't EXACTLY the same stimulant in the way that Ritalin or Adderall are. As for me, yes I've been doing much better for many years now. Ironically though, I do have to take Ritalin these days. I have such bad lethargy in the mornings that I can't wake up without it. Then again, I'm an adult, not a kid with a developing brain...
 
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