lol, some of you people are hilarious.
Clearly people should avoid contributing to ideas in this thread without a PhD in Organic Chemistry, despite being clearly tempted/encouraged to try such a synthesis, at home, without such knowledge. So yes, perhaps this thread should fuck off back to ADD, or better still, be closed as I suggested some time back. For a harm reduction site, I'm staggered that this farce has been allowed to continue, and again, I will derive my own conclusion from that.
I will not apologise for having 'a unique' insight. I'm a jack of all trades, master of none; so if my "crazy conspiracy theories" are offending people then just laugh it of or don't read them.
What I do have to my name though is:
- a lifelong interest in international politics and an understanding of what does and does not 'just happen' at a moment's notice. eg. China doing what they're told / The UK, followed by the US reacting in such a way and speed to a particular type of substance so as to actually put the legislation itself at risk of illegality. Strange that this in the US should happen at almost precisely the same time as the outcome of the chemical analysis in this thread was released.
- an 8 year career as a senior executive for a FTSE 100 listed company
- a lifelong proximity to drug related enterprises, without, of course, active involvement
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zero interest or understanding of chemistry until I read this thread, where upon I felt something new and monolithic in importance was brewing. Since then, I've just been on a bit of an exploration and appear to have reached conclusions that serious chemists are giving more and more weight to as their own curiosity is sparked. I've clearly made a small number of ludicrous misstatements, but unfortunately, this is often the product of working backwards, rather than forwards.
I'd encourage people to trust in my conclusions and take the chemistry out of my hands.
Look at the links in my previous post and try and follow my thinking.
Combine this with what you see happening on the international stage.
Also think if there's any correlation time-wise with the disappearance, and the re-emergence of MDMA over the previous few years.
Why is freebase MDPV described as 'extremely unstable'. What does this actually mean? What range of outcomes are possible when something (or a combination of things) described as 'extremely unstable' are combined. Whether this be 'on the fly' by vaporising / following injestion / or in controlled environments; surely there is a range of amazing outcomes that are not outside of the boundaries of reasonable probability.
Again, let me throw some other conjecture out there. Earlier in this thread (think it was sensored out, but feel free to search), someone suggested that the latter part of stuffmonger's reaction ("degradation") could be achieved via a much easier method. A lot of people have speculated as to bacteria + oxygen + whatever whatever. I just ask you to consider acetone. Why did stuffmonger's reaction not work in some of his own environments but did in others? Why does stuffmonger's reaction not seem to work in 'most' other people's environments? Are there not products available and used specifically to clean laboratory surfaces? Do these contain acetone or a related compound? Do these compounds have interesting properties like a very low surface tension, or a boiling point very close to (or slightly above) room temperature?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone
Why is stuffmonger so clued up on chemistry and declares himself as having zero chemistry knowledge. Why is he in central america? Why is it the southern US states banning this shit first? Who the fuck is this guy and why has he posted this thread? Was it really to get advice on a practical part of his synthesis? Amazing how threads develop isn't it?
I dunno. I'm done. Instinct which I've learned to trust my life with yelled that something BIG was going on here from the beginning. Believe me or not, I don't really give a fuck, but frankly, I'm amazed that such supposed 'experts' had to wait for a lab analysis before getting excited about this reaction and it's implications.