Hello and an MDPV Question

mauka said:
Stuff...

Got my glassware, starting to cook tan now :)


What would you say is a starting dose for Ult Sextacy?
I think all these RC's would be much safer if they gave you some clue of how much you should "put in your bathwater."
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I'll PM you.....
 
mauka said:
Turns out the stuff I have must not be PV... the first packet was greyish in color and would not dissolve in water.

The second brand was white, but would also not dissolve after 10min. :X
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Bah! fucking worthless vendors... So irresponsible. Did you purchase purported 'pure' mdpv, or a branded powder suspected / claimed to be mdpv?

Either way, sheisty fucks! hope you find better luck next time.
 
Bullshit is neither here nor there. Peevee is piss easy for everybody on the planet to find. So are various other legal highs. Not meaning to be a dick but we can all get peevee - the thing we're all excited about is whether we can get the conversion to work and if not is that cos we fail miserably or does the process fail miserably. Plenty to discuss without needing to get into which vendors shitey product may or may not be slightly more or less shitey than the next vendor down the line. Actual discussion of the process and resulting products would be very welcome though :)
 
Shambles said:
Bullshit is neither here nor there. Peevee is piss easy for everybody on the planet to find. So are various other legal highs. Not meaning to be a dick but we can all get peevee - the thing we're all excited about is can we get the conversion to work and if not is that cos we fail miserably or does the process fail miserably. Plenty to discuss without needing to get into which vendors shitey product may or may not be slightly more or less shitey than the next vendor down the line.
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well said shammy :)
 
In case you haven't been following the news, peevee is not gonig to be legal in the US much longer.

Florida just instituted a temporary ban on MDPV (or MDVP if you believe the Miami Herald): http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/26/2035806/florida-ag-bans-drugs-labeled.html This article contains a great quote from Florida's AG:

"It makes you think you're seeing monsters and it also makes you think that you can fly and there are a lot of balconies out there,"​

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/26/2035806/florida-ag-bans-drugs-labeled.html##ixzz1CalqPzgnU.S. Sen. Charles Schumer of New York just introduced a bill to ban MDPV and mephadrone: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/30/us-drugs-bathsalts-idINTRE70T3PR20110130

Lots of mainstream media picking up on the "fake cocaine being sold as bath salts " stories...

The writing is on the wall...
 
Bwahahahaha! That article is pure gold. D'ya think they managed to get every "killer-drug gonna rape yo' mamma with its big scary black cock" kinda cliche in there or did they miss one? ;)

Bad news on the ban. But given it's not made in the US generally...
 
minging said:
In case you haven't been following the news, peevee is not gonig to be legal in the US much longer.

Florida just instituted a temporary ban on MDPV (or MDVP if you believe the Miami Herald): http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/26/2035806/florida-ag-bans-drugs-labeled.html This article contains a great quote from Florida's AG:

"It makes you think you're seeing monsters and it also makes you think that you can fly and there are a lot of balconies out there,"​

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/26/2035806/florida-ag-bans-drugs-labeled.html##ixzz1CalqPzgnU.S. Sen. Charles Schumer of New York just introduced a bill to ban MDPV and mephadrone: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/30/us-drugs-bathsalts-idINTRE70T3PR20110130

Lots of mainstream media picking up on the "fake cocaine being sold as bath salts " stories...

The writing is on the wall...
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It was just a matter of time.
 
I've tried the quick and dirty process a few times now and have got my pv to exactly the right colour. Whilst good, it's not OMG amazing like scruffmonger describes; nor is it as good as The Tan back in the day.

That's because I think I've simply purified the freebase mdpv and oxidised it through leaving it out in the open air. To that end, I'm pretty certain I could achieve the same result without having to spray water over it.

So, why is spraying water on it necessary for scruffmonger, and what is it about scruffmonger's particular conditions that makes such a difference?

I'd like to suggest that most cleaning fluids used specifically on lab surfaces are aromatic in behaviour, and certainly contain some pertinent compounds. Acetate being the most interesting. To that end, I think I start to see that scruffmonger is in fact creating an analogue of MDPV, quite which I don't know, and most of us home cooks are not likely to achieve the same result without adding a thing or two before/during/after the oxidisation stage (there's quite a few you could choose from actually).

Now without wanting to start a frenzy of people adding this that and the next thing, without the proper knowledge/experience, could some of the more senior chemists comment on what they actually believe is the chemical at the end of scruffmonger's process? Are we looking at a ketone analogue of MDPV here...
 
I NUK3D U said:
That's because I think I've simply purified the freebase mdpv and oxidised it through leaving it out in the open air. To that end, I'm pretty certain I could achieve the same result without having to spray water over it.
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I'm lacking the insight as to what it might be, although I have speculated before, but I can tell you that any oxidation will be catalysed by the moisture (think about how rust needs water as a crude example), so that's why it's necessary, whether chemical or enzymatic.
 
Can you post a pic? Did the dark yellow, heavier than water oil appear on the bottom during heating or did it stay light green and remain on top?

I NUK3D U said:
I've tried the quick and dirty process a few times now and have got my pv to exactly the right colour. Whilst good, it's not OMG amazing like scruffmonger describes; nor is it as good as The Tan back in the day.

That's because I think I've simply purified the freebase mdpv and oxidised it through leaving it out in the open air. To that end, I'm pretty certain I could achieve the same result without having to spray water over it.

So, why is spraying water on it necessary for scruffmonger, and what is it about scruffmonger's particular conditions that makes such a difference?

I'd like to suggest that most cleaning fluids used specifically on lab surfaces are aromatic in behaviour, and certainly contain some pertinent compounds. Acetate being the most interesting. To that end, I think I start to see that scruffmonger is in fact creating an analogue of MDPV, quite which I don't know, and most of us home cooks are not likely to achieve the same result without adding a thing or two before/during/after the oxidisation stage (there's quite a few you could choose from actually).

Now without wanting to start a frenzy of people adding this that and the next thing, without the proper knowledge/experience, could some of the more senior chemists comment on what they actually believe is the chemical at the end of scruffmonger's process? Are we looking at a ketone analogue of MDPV here...
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Yet another substance

Zamzams has been experimenting with pv as well as myself and recently PM'd me about a discovery he made. Seems that if you toast pv hcl at 200 degrees C for a while it oxidizes into a tan colored substance. This substance is totaly different from the Tan we've been discussing and also totally different from pv. It's active at around 10 mg which is about twice the pv average activation. It has a nice euphoria but virtually no prosexual qualities. The high lasts four and a half to five and a half hours, which is about double pv. The comedown is not too bad - better than pv but not as nice as the tan. The jittery, edgy feeling of pv is totally absent. I believe this is yet another substance having pv as a precursor.

Zamzams makes his by heating in a spoon (I believe it was a spoon), but his technique requires a talent that I lack, since I was unable to create it using his instructions. I was successful with a stove however. I'm a control freak and like to control temperature.

You folks should check it out. It's dead easy. I'll post instructions for how I do it a bit later.t
 
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Shambles said:
Intrigued again... not as much as with "proper" tan but still intrigued. Timings would be a boon cos even I can toast summat. And am more than familiar with spoon-based cookery...
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Here's Zamzams' instructions:

"also i thought this was worth mentioning, whilst vaping the white i noticed if you heat slowly the hcl until it vapours slightly (and no melting occurs turning to orange/ brown) it slowly becomes a light tan colour hard and crystaline in texture - almost glass like. and if repeating this until you have a suitable amount of it (almost tan crystals) and then crushing and bumping it - it is sooo much better than just bumping white pv with a lovely euphoria i don't get with the white and longer lasting effect."

I tried heating it with a flame and a spoon to no good effect (it vaped every time), but the stove worked wonders. I just dissolved the pv in a small amount of water, put it in the stove at 250 degrees C and when the water bubbled completely off I opened the stove door. Immediately oxidation began and a bluish smoke was emitted. There were still some white clumps left so I re-dissolved and did it a few more times until I saw no more white. After experimenting I set the stove to 200 degrees. It's less than the melting point of pv (238 degrees) and so doesn't have to be watched so closely, and still hot enough to do the job. The substance is medium tan in color and looks like glass when scraped up. You can't bump it unless you grind it really well. It is water soluble, but less soluble than pv.

I can verify Zamzam's report: It does not feel like pv. There is a marked euphoria and the high as at least twice as long as with pv. There is none of the edginess that always comes on with pv and in fact, for the first two or three hours, feels almost like opium mixed with speed - a very calm feeling state with high alertness and energy. very odd substance. There is little or no pro-sexual effect however, which is too bad, since it's so easy to make.

One note: It's really hard to get all of the pv to turn. Nothing happens until oxygen hits, as you can verify yourself by watching through the glass of the stove door - the gasses from the oven flame prevent any change in color until the door is opened, then the change is immediate. But only the surface of the batch turns. Everything underneath is still white. If you mix it up at this stage it looks tan but feels mostly like pv. That's why I repeatedly dissolve in water until I feel confident it's all turned.
 
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dare I say.. SM have you considered using this aproach on any of the other analogues to see what the results mite be? MDPPP, aPPP etc?

Mite create some very interesting compounds..
 
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