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Heantos: What do people know about Heantos?

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I am looking for any and all information about a relatively new treatment that is purported to eliminate much of the withdrawal symptoms from opiates and I am curious to know what, if anything, people know about this new treatment. It is a compound created in Vietnam and it has thirteen herbal ingredients and is now marketed under the formulation Heantos 4, as in the fourth iteration or generation of this treatment. Unfortunately, from what I understand (and there is pitifully little information about this drug online) there is some proprietary agreement in place that precludes the release of the entire formula that comprises the thirteen ingredients, thus I cannot tell you what those are because I do not know myself. All I know is that it has been said to be very effective and safer than ibogaine, although ibogaine IMO is quite safe, although I will be posting something relating to ibogaine right after this that some of you may be able to help me with.

If anyone has any relevant information, anecdotal, personal, clinical, empirically based, or otherwise on this treatment, "heantos", I would be very appreciative of the sharing of that information.

Thank You
 
Sounds like some quackery to me. Reputable medicines disclose their compositions so people know what they are consuming and more importantly, so people can have reproducible drugs.

Nobody's disclosed any peer reviewed studies of its use in opioid "detoxification" either. So that doesn't really bode well for such a magic drug: at least ibogaine has references in the clinical literature.
 
The little I know about it, it is not quackery and somewhat effective. Much better than a cold turkey. There is very little research on it but I have been following some people working with it. The website is [...]. Personally I got clean using Ibogaine which is pretty damn effective. But not everyone can handle Ibogaine and Heantos is reported to be safe. I think not all the ingredients are published due to patents and things like that. I know someone who is using it for PAWS after suboxone detox. It is helping her a lot.
 
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Psychedelic muse said:
The little I know about it, it is not quackery and somewhat effective. Much better than a cold turkey. There is very little research on it but I have been following some people working with it. The website is [...]. Personally I got clean using Ibogaine which is pretty damn effective. But not everyone can handle Ibogaine and Heantos is reported to be safe. I think not all the ingredients are published due to patents and things like that. I know someone who is using it for PAWS after suboxone detox. It is helping her a lot.
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Heantos has apparently caused at least one death: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/heroin-cure-may-have-killed-six-1146810.html
That article also mentions the theory that it may contain kratom, but I haven't seen confirmation of that.

Here is one chemical analysis study: http://heantos.vn/en/TT/80/heantos-4-antidrug-medication-heantos-4vietnam-journal-of-chemistry.html
It contains salutaridine, which is very similar in structure to opiates. Also (-)-tetrahydropalmatine and a variety of aporphines, isoquinolines, and tetrahydroprotoberberines.
 
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Like I said, I've never used Heantos so can't speak from personal experience but I know UBC and Johns Hopkins has some pretty promising results. Apparently the first thing UBC tested was to see if it had kratom and it doesn't. But honestly, if it did and it worked, who cares. It is said that the person who died in the UK article was already very ill and the case was utilized so that the Vietnamese government could gain control over the production of the medicine. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/despatches/37032.stm

Anyways, I've been following the Heantos facebook group and providers are still figuring out how to utilize it best. Many of them actually add kratom to the treatment and benzo's are recommended. Here's the website that seems to have the most research but there is more and more appearing in google. I believe you can also purchase Heantos through this website though it is not my intention to advertise and if you do try it, I would be really curious of the results.
 
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^But kratom is a potentially addictive in the same way that opiates are, so if heantos contains it, I think its more replacement then treatment.
 
It might not contain the same active components as Kratom (mitragynine alkaloids), but it might contain other as-of-yet unknown compounds with opioid activity. I haven't seen anything to confirm that yet, but any time a new substance hits the market with the ability to alleviate opioid withdrawal you have to keep that possibility in mind.
 
People I know attended a conference at University of British Columbia which is one of the places they are doing extensive research on Heantos. First thing researchers looked for was any narcotic/opioid substance. They found none. Which is why a lot of providers recommend using kratom in addition to Heantos. And defiantly benzo's help. I've met two people who have used it. One detoxed relatively comfortably off heroin with it and is not addicted to Heantos, though its recommended using it for 2 months for PAWS. And the other tried to detox off suboxone with it. It didn't touch acute suboxone withdrawal but she tried it a few months later once she had detoxed off suboxone for nine days and it helped a lot. Now I'm not saying it was easy. They still had some withdrawal symptoms but substantially less. The manufactures report something like 50-75% reduction in withdrawal symptoms... Consensus from users in Heantos facebook group seems to be, Ibogaine is still best but Heantos is a hell of a lot better than cold turkey. Something I find really interesting is most people manage to sleep through a lot of their withdrawal symptoms when taking Heantos which is amazing! If I had to detox again and couldn't get Ibogaine, I would defiantly try it.
 
^Did they only look for known opioid chemicals or perform some sort of test that would identify new, previously unknown opioid agonists if they were present? It might help to link to some of their published research if you can.
 
Too bad there is not a lot of published research. But in this article on page 4 under medication "laboratory tests conducted in United States indicate Heantos is NOT a drug substitute". That's research from Johns Hopkins so...

International Scientific Development of the Anti-Drug Medication Heantos

Anyways, the first thing I assumed was that it was a drug substitute being that I live in the world of suboxone and methadone. It appears that it is not. Which leaves the other question, does it actually work? Apparently they have been using it successfully for decades in the villages of Vietnam... Anyways, here is other research around it... All this is on a previous link i sent.

Re-evaluation of the Safety and Efficacy of the Anti-Drug Medication Heantos


Pathways to Plausibility: When Herbs Become Pills


a good magazine article for this who don't want to deal with research articles.



Enjoy.
 
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That statement came from someone who attended a seminar hosted at Johns Hopkins, not necessarily from the mouth of a Johns Hopkins scientist. They also don't provide any citation for that claim, which should be available by now considering that conference was hosted in 1995.

I can't help but feeling a bit of deja-vu from the period when Kratom was first heavily marketed.
 
Except Heantos isn't heavily marketed... Actually seems like research and marketing has been suppressed. BigZip44, I'd say join the Heantos facebook page for the most current info. I'm starting to hear of anecdotal results from providers and clients there. I've yet to hear of anyone getting addicted to Heantos though.
 
This is the sketchiest thing I've ever seen. Take whatever you want to take, I guess, but this website is not inspiring confidence. As much as I'd love to not have to take bupe every day, no, I am not going to "call Richie for Heantos today". That's really how it's being sold? Not even an online shop? Just a (presumably home) phone number, a cell number and an (AOL, lol) email address? Start by telling us what the fuck is in your pills, dude.
 
And yes, that's pretty much how it's being sold Damonoxide. Unless you go to Vietnam which used to be the only way you could access it. I admit, Richie's website does not promote a lot of confidence but I'm not sure that marketing is his forte. You can probably get it off this site as well <snip> Though one thing I do know is "Richie" makes a lot more money off Ibogaine treatments.
 
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Hi, I’ll briefly explain my experience with Heantos. I had joint pain for years (it runs in my family) and it got really bad with heavy manual labor. I was maybe 28 at the time. I eventually started on some low dose of Vicodin. My dose kept going up for a while, so they switched me to oxycodone. The joint problems weren’t clearing up, maybe temporary relief, so I wanted to get off oxy. Cold turkey was horrible, and I didn’t want to taper off of 200mg/day. That would take forever. I started doing internet research. I tried detox enzymes, herbs, nothing worked. I found this Heantos Info support group on Facebook, and long story short, after much skepticism back and forth, I bought some. A coach designed my protocols and aftercare. Very attentive during my detox.


So, I take several pills the first night. Amazingly and to my surprise, my withdrawals improves 100 fold - I can go through my big detox weekend without ANY nausea and only minor restless legs. Then I began to notice improvement in my mood and energy level, and it really makes me believe that this remedy is so gentle and calming that it’ll work for anybody. I read that 9,000 people have used it in Vietnam, and so many have stayed clean!


I just turned 31. I took Heantos for at most 2 months for cravings and insomnia and stayed in tough with my coach. I still take Heantos on rare occasions if I’m having a bad day, wanting to use. However, normally I don’t. It seems that taking the few Heantos pills for those months helped my body to start balancing out on its own, because I simply don’t require Heantos often anymore.


I didn't buy through Richie, so I can't tell you about him - I will go on record for this stuff and really hope the scientific and medical community discover the use for this stuff, because it fully changed my life and I fully believe it can completely change other people’s lives too.
 
Oh, and my Heantos boxes came with a paper insert with the list of ingredients. Here ya go!


Each capsule contains 0.5g Heantos4 powder, equivalent to:
Radix Campanumoeae: 1.0g
Colla Corii Asini 0.133g
Radix Ophiopogonis japonici 0.333g
Radix Astragali membranacei 0.333g
Radix Glycyrrhizae 0.333g
Radix Angelicae sinensis 0.25g
Radix Rehmanniae glutinosae 0.25g
Tuber Stephaniae glabrae 0.25g
Rhizoma Zingiberis 0.25g
Ramulus Cinnamomi 0.25g
Fructus Ziziphi jujubae 0.25g
Semen Ziziphi mauritianae 0.166g
Talc 0.01g
 
By the way, for my joint pain, I'm finally taking Cymbalta, gabapentin and medical CBD capsules. This combo is way better for my particular pain than any opiate.
 
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