Health risks and problems associated with smoking Oxycodone in the form of OC

[delta_9]

Before you guys continue bashing smoking oxycontin can you at least support your claims? Obviously none of you have smoked it before! But dont keep talking it down when you havent even tried it firsthand. I'm telling you from my personal firsthand experience it gets you high. I'm not advocating you try it but at least know what your talking about. Provide FACTS!!! not this "you know you only get 10% when you smoke it" horseshit without sourcing please.

^You realize those numbers dont add up right? It's physically impossible to get higher from smoking a 80 vs. eating an 160, the oral bioavailability of oxycodone is 60%-87%.

btw there are many many more ROAs than those.

source
For all your talk of sourcing where is YOUR source? Anecdotal reports dont count for shit. PROVE to me you can vaporize oxycodone effectively.

*EDIT* - I'm editing this post so as not to add more uneccesary posts to this already ravaged topic.

I dont think anyone can is my point, there haven't been any studies done, as i looked through 5 pages of google for each search, and i did like 5 different searches.

what about this fact: There are various dangers associated with smoking pills, most being related to inhaling insoluble pill fillers and binders such as talc(talc is an inactive ingredient in Oxycontin and can cause lung cancer, skin cancer, and a few other types of cancer),

Google is not the place to be looking for this. We're talking medical journals and the like here people.

 

[Jabberwocky]

keep this the fuck on topic, how else can it be said? i think half of you are braindead from smoking the shit. im cleaning this mess up

 

[itsbacardi151]

delta 9.....do you want me to capture a video of me smoking oxy. Then you can see my eyes pin in 30 secs. I'll even take a drug test and show you the results to prove oxy was delivered into my system.

EDIT: and your source only mentions BA for oral.....doesnt backup your claim that smoking would yeild less results. If I smoke it it is delivered in my system way faster than eating it making me 'feel' higher than if I ate them. I don't have actual sources thats why I am asking, along with hydro, for some actual hard data on this topic. I just tried to answer a persons Q whether or not you can actually get high. AND I clearly explained it was a personal experience not a SOURCE. take it for what it is.

 

[rath]

All the other risks that come with smoking I would guess. Pulmonary risk being the highest.

 

[Jabberwocky]

and i will do it more, cause its stupid.

and you're an ass for continuing to post in here. dont like it, get out. simple as that.

i feel this is a legitimate topic to bring up in OD because of the increase of people that i've witnessed who have claimed they smoke OC's. i want to hear from these people as well as other people who have factual statements of the problems associated if there has been reports.

 

[mmmCHRISx]

Before you guys continue bashing smoking oxycontin can you at least support your claims? Obviously none of you have smoked it before! But dont keep talking it down when you havent even tried it firsthand. I'm telling you from my personal firsthand experience it gets you high. I'm not advocating you try it but at least know what your talking about. Provide FACTS!!! not this "you know you only get 10% when you smoke it" horseshit without sourcing please.

you have no facts either. Honestly i would be willing to try and smoke it if i had some but i dont. Because you get high doesnt mean its effective in the least. I think your too blinded by the fact you think smoking is god for some reason.

Pharmecutical pills should not be smoked, thats all there is too it. Would you smoke a tylenol? Because besides the oxycontin in that pill, all the other garbage can be found elsewhere in other pills.

Honestly this is like smoking cigarretes, putting tons of harmful shit into your body.

And on another point, say smoking has a 60% BA, which it doesnt, but if it did, and 60mg really made you nod, snorting 160mg would literally send you into OD, or you would atleast have trouble staying awake, would be vomiting etc.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

Everyone told them that it is ridiculous and causes health problems in here and the thread before this! I think that is enough to believe that it is not good, but they still want scientific fact!

haha, yes, yes we do. and you can't provide it. thanks for your contributions up to this point though...

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-327011.html
^i think he would of been unable to determine if the effects were placebo or real even if he licked that spoon.

 

[mmmCHRISx]

haha, yes, yes we do. and you can't provide it..

I dont
think anyone can is my point, there haven't been any studies done, as i looked through 5 pages of google for each search, and i did like 5 different searches.

what about this fact: There are various dangers associated with smoking pills, most being related to inhaling insoluble pill fillers and binders such as talc(talc is an inactive ingredient in Oxycontin and can cause lung cancer, skin cancer, and a few other types of cancer),

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

what about this fact: There are various dangers associated with smoking pills, most being related to inhaling insoluble pill fillers and binders such as talc(talc is an inactive ingredient in Oxycontin and can cause lung cancer, skin cancer, and a few other types of cancer)

insoluble pill fillers are a danger also present with other ROAs. we have already identified that risk.

i dont think anyone can is my point, there haven't been any studies done, as i looked through 5 pages of google for each search, and i did like 5 different searches.

then why assume?

 

[leftovers]

Excuse me if this is not appropriate, but I just started taking the pill the one to stop pregnancy ;-) and I have some mdma here and wondered if being on the pill Levlen ED would in any way stop the effects or be dangerous, my brain says no as its a hormone but if anyone out there can just give me some peace of mind before I take this lovely powder ? thanks

 

[Tchort]

I'd like to throw in my 2 cents.

First I will plug my Guide To Smoking/Chasing Opioids:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=436379&highlight=guide+chasing+opioids

Questions that I think are more relevant:

1) Do the chemicals contained as binders, fillers, inactives in Oxycodone tablets inhibit/prevent or induce/aid volatilization of Oxycodone into available vapour that can be absorbed by the body in the various nasal/buccal membranes and lungs?

2) What is the available Oxycodone for absorption when chased? Studies have been done on Heroin chasing, and how much Heroin is vaporized and able to be absorbed by a chasing user. There is an example of one of these studies in the link to the guide I wrote. Is any such data available for Oxycodone?

I think the answer to these 2 questions are required before health concerns. If it is completely ridiculous to do something, meaning it will destroy or degrade almost all of the active drug, or it doesn't become available for absorption due to chemical qualities or other ingredients in pills, why don't we try to squash this trend? If it is a viable method for using Oxycodone, then concentrate on HR questions like side products and degredation of pill inactives (in the thread linked above I recommened an easy water extraction of OC and evaporation before chasing- if you use a micron filter to do this, you should be left with a much purer product to chase than a crushed pill, if indeed it is practical or half way excusable to chase Oxycodone).

 

[muie]

What bacardi151 is trying to say is that the high is much stronger since when smoked, drugs in general are stronger by pretty much double compared to other ROA, such as oral, snorted, IV, etc.

Personally I have experience with oral as well as smoked Fentanyl, and a little experience with smoking Heroin. With fentanyl I could go through 5mg-10mg orally in a day with ease and it was very stimulating too (being synthethic) so I would nod out if and maybe 30min every dose. When smoking it, 5-10mg would last me twice as long (tolerence increases fast when u smoke though). I remeber that when exhaling the vapour I would get a huge rush and would be completley fucked up (nodding, sudden/instant high) that would last for about 2hrs maximum. Point of the story? Oral fentanyl (maybe due to the absorbtion rate) was most definatley weaker than smoking and also just as long lasting, IMO through I'm sure that its impossible for it to be longer than oral, though pretty close.

I wasn't even aware that you can smoke or vaporize oxycodone/oxycontin, however some friends that switched to heroin were telling me at one point that they had good results with the 40mg pills and even the 20mg pills. They smoke h now so I'm sure that they weren't very impressed by the effects.

 

[muie]

Good idea would be to *really* research the ingredients in narcotic pills, like Dilaudid and Oxycontin for example, note down the melting point for each ingredient and find a proper vaporizer that can go higher than the THC melting point, and adjust it in such a way as to get the most oxy/hydro and the least amount of toxic impurities.

 

[OverDriven]

OC contains a wax matrix binder to act as a time release. The wax will vaporize at high temperatures and will condense in the lungs. So yes...it is likely that you are clogging your bronchioles with wax. The long term result would likely be emphysema.

That said, it really isn't worth the risk. Smoking OC may acually vaporize a small amount of the oxycodone, but the majority of it is destroyed by the heat. You are literally burning your drugs away. Oral bioavailability of oxycodone is higher than 90%. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to take it any other way than the oral route. Injecting will not get you better results, and smoking will just waste the drug.

 

[Eagleman]

When you smoke ANYTHING, you are releasing pyroclastic by-products that result from combustion. Some of these by-products are only harmful in massive amounts, some of them may be carcinogenic. The point is, smoking anything is bad for you, and smoking PILLS is even worse because of all the polymers, talc, binders and whatever that weren't meant to be burned and inhaled. Look at the mess on your foil or glass when you smoke it. Is it a pile of burnt black shit? Or did the drug vaporize away like clean meth, leaving virtually nothing behind? Sorry, but I know it didn't vaporize away. Even though I've never smoked a pill and never intend to, I know that it left a pile of burnt crap.
I also swore in another related thread that if anybody recommended smoking pills I was gonna scream.

 

[Tchort]

What bacardi151 is trying to say is that the high is much stronger since when smoked, drugs in general are stronger by pretty much double compared to other ROA, such as oral, snorted, IV, etc.

That's not accurate. Drugs that are chased do have a faster onset than every ROA, except IV. The tradeoff is that drugs that are chased have a much lower availibility. If you don't use needles, chasing is a good method for certain drugs. But, IV is the fastest, strongest ROA every time.

 

[Cface]

I thought oxycodone had to be metabolized in the liver to work. If you can smoke oxycodone couldn't you smoke hydrocodone?

 

[Sturnam]

OC contains a wax matrix binder to act as a time release. The wax will vaporize at high temperatures and will condense in the lungs. So yes...it is likely that you are clogging your bronchioles with wax. The long term result would likely be emphysema.

That said, it really isn't worth the risk. Smoking OC may acually vaporize a small amount of the oxycodone, but the majority of it is destroyed by the heat. You are literally burning your drugs away. Oral bioavailability of oxycodone is higher than 90%. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to take it any other way than the oral route. Injecting will not get you better results, and smoking will just waste the drug.

Oral BA is 90%? Really? Source please

Most of the OC is burned away? How do you know this? Cause you think it's a dumb idea, or because you actually have the melting temperature and point of vaporization for OC?

That's not accurate. Drugs that are chased do have a faster onset than every ROA, except IV. The tradeoff is that drugs that are chased have a much lower availibility. If you don't use needles, chasing is a good method for certain drugs. But, IV is the fastest, strongest ROA every time.

I actually think that smoking is the fastest, at least with crack. Another interesting thing is crack is generally preferred over IV cocaine in addicts, even though plasma levels are the same. Although I think it might be the exception in that regard.

Everyone seems to be caught in their own little opinions without offering anything of value. Yes smoking anything is bad for you, no one denied that. Yes there is some black shit left behind, but have any of you actually seen one of those "smoking dolls" that shows the collected tar after one cigarette? Besides, based on available evidence, there is no reason to think that anything except the polymethyl acrylate will have negative efffects while smoking.

And I have to lol. Eagleman said he'd scream if anyone recommended smoking pills, but here it looks like he's recommending smoking meth. Good trade-off. Proven neurotoxicity instead of possible lung damage (certainly no worse than cigarettes).

 

[Eagleman]

I didn't recommend smoking meth. I was using the results of smoking something that CAN be smoked versus something that SHOULDN'T be smoked. Did I say, "Don't smoke pills. Smoke crank instead." Nope, I didn't.

 

[StaffWriter]

The question remains...does it make you high? What is it's duration? That would be all I'd be concerned about (since we've talked about the fact that its carcinogenic...). I'm no longer into the scene (SMT for me) and I've never tried oxycontin thru inhalation or plugging, but it would be interesting to get some info on it just out of curiousity. I did smoke fent and the high was nothing to write home about.