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HBWR seeds, a few questions

Peacepipepanda

Peacepipepanda

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I have moderate psychedelic drug experience and I’m planning to take HBWR seeds, 10 to be exact. This would be my first experience with HBWR but I have tried morning glory seeds in the past. Assuming they are good quality how similar is it to morning glory?

Second, I’m going to pop all 10 and let them sit in my mouth until soft and then chew until their complete mush. Let it sit for about a half hour then swallow, I have read it absorbs better. Should I scrape off the fuzzy stuff and remove the shell? I have found a lot of contradictory information about whether removing it will lessen the nausea.

Lastly, I took a moderate does of morning glory and the nausea was only bad during the come up and completely subsided after. Is the nausea comparable? I’m definitely expecting their to be some but I’m pretty good at dealing with nausea. But would popping a few benadrly before be worth it?

Thanks
 
I blush from saying it, but a long time ago, when HBWR seeds was all I was able to procure, I would have most profound experiences on them. I would trip on them several times a week.
But the nausea is absolutely excrutiating. I tried everything, any type of extraction would do very little to help. In the end, I found the only thing that really mattered was grinding them, and try to keep them on an empty stomach for 60 minutes, and then throw up, force yourself to throw up if necessary, then drink a lot of water and throw it up right away, because once you have completely thrown up, things get much MUCH better. The nausea completely dissipates and disappears, and the trip really starts. But you have to go through hell first. I even went as far as molding HBWR suppositories and plug that so that throwing up before the 60-minute mark wouldn't waste any material. I remember 10 to 16 seeds to be a rather hefty dose, although at the highest of my tolerance, I would plug as much as 40. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT try that without tolerance *and* experience. And frankly, what is the point of acquiring experience with that when you can simply order much more interesting compounds with no nausea involved?

To this day I gag from thinking about the taste of these seeds. It is not particularly bad (heck, I've eaten much more bitter and yucky powders), but I have irremediably associated it with that nausea.

As for the difference with MG seeds, I can't really say because I have never tried them, but I gather from other reports that they are fairly similar.
 
Thanks for the response, I'm pursuing HBWS because I really enjoyed morning glory seeds. Every psychedelic I have done, mushrooms and recently acid were great, but mushrooms was like throwing my soul through a washing machine of insanity and pretty colors. LSD was very different but also put me in a very manic state of mind, I thoroughly enjoyed both and would love to do them again and again :P. The effects I got from morning glory were differet, I got some interesting visuals but the euphoria and clarity of mind was awe-inspiring. The euphoria beat out any substance I had previously tried, coupled with a clear mind and intense visuals it was so awesome. I could sit down and focus on what I wanted to focus on and get all the crazy insight but on exactly what I wanted to gain insight into.

Maybe I'm just chasing a trip that was perfect but LSA definitely felt a lot different from both lsd and mushies.

I'm just going to throw em my mouth, wait until I can chew the buggers and swallow. Sounds like a good method.
 
I find Nutella works well for masking the taste of HBWR/morning glory. I hate them both now though. I ate 6 HBWR and they did nothing but make me feel sluggish and nauseous. No real trip.
 
Well tomorrow is the day, I'm really excited. I would be totally fine with it ripping my insides up as long as I tripped hard. I'm most worried they will be bunk! But, I guess we will see. I will post back tomorrow or Saturday and tell you guys how it went.
 
My friend soaked them in a lime juice tincture after he crushed them up and let them sit over night.
Then the next day we took it, seeds and everything.
The lime juice was supposed to help with the nausea, but I don't think it did anything haha I was in so much pain.
Your way is probably as good as any
 
LSA is a legit psychedelic if the seeds are decent, i've had some powerful trips on it. i wouldn't do it now because i can get the same or stronger experiences (though i've had some strong ones on LSA) from other substances without the nasty side-effects.
 
.:Holy::Toast:. said:
My friend soaked them in a lime juice tincture after he crushed them up and let them sit over night.
Then the next day we took it, seeds and everything.
The lime juice was supposed to help with the nausea, but I don't think it did anything haha I was in so much pain.
Your way is probably as good as any
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Does the acidity change anything about the chemicals present?
 
I was reading that you can use peppermint oil to turn LSA into LSH, although I'm not sure how much truth their is to that. Was just browsing a forum talking about it. Apparently LSH causes less nausea, he also stated it's much better and cleaner although again I have no idea how much truth their is to this.
 
Peacepipepanda said:
I was reading that you can use peppermint oil to turn LSA into LSH, although I'm not sure how much truth their is to that. Was just browsing a forum talking about it. Apparently LSH causes less nausea, he also stated it's much better and cleaner although again I have no idea how much truth their is to this.
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Its not the LSA that causes most of the nausea, its the seed matter itself.
 
Personally I have done stellar extractions and mixed the fine alkaloid extract ( yellow powder, looks very similar to DMT ) with Lactose and insufflated this and I had no nausea, and absolutely positive results :) !

However that is probably to big of a step for someone with limited experience, if you want to trip hard off of HBWR you will most likely puke, grind them up finely with a coffee grinder and do a cold water extraction. You can also make a tincture with vegetable glycerin however this takes 3 days, however has yielded fantastic results IME.

A Herbalist told me best locally, when your ready to puke, throw on some just nasty Metal or rock music and expel all the evil inside you and become reborn. This sounded kind of ridiculous to me until I ate a 20 seed glycerin tincture. Sure feels good after you puke.

A lot of folks really don't mind the nausea side effect, because the trip itself is awesome and safe IMO, As long as dosage and set and setting are practiced correctly :)
 
I tried MG (bought from stores) under 10 times out of which 3 were very good minus nausea, LSD also under 10 times always good highest was 400mcg-420mcg. I was interested in HBWR so I got 25 seeds. You DO scrape the outer coating, wash them and dry them by placing on paper towel. I always grinded mine up in a coffe grinder and ate the resulting powder.

Compared to MG I'd say its a whole lot more sedating and for me in doses of 3-4 seeds I would feel extremly euphoric and sedated, never ever had trouble falling asleep and always got good rest. It's not as colourfull as MG (for me) and it seems that anything over 6-8 seeds is a waste, i found 5-6 to be the most you can get out of HBWR. When taking more than 6 seeds the sedation overpowers the psychedelic euphoria. All it did for me was make colours brighter, made movies/music much better and it felt like an mdma-ish high. The nausea was easy to combat with weed and a pill of gravol/benadryl or ginger. 8 seeds made me go straight to sleep.
 
I wouldn't say over 8-10 seeds is a waste but the side effects including vasoconstriction (which is noticeble enough on 5-7), nausea and sedation would be increased. I wouldn't say its anything close to a replacement for LSD, as for MG I think MG is more stimulating than HBWR and possibly a bit more psychedelic. Also I didn't have intense mental confusion on HBWR as opposed to MG whilst putting on a shirt I got lost in it as well the mental confusion on MG to describe it better was very similar to that of LSD except with more sedation (though not as much as HBWR), on MG I once decided it was perfectly ok to go on a nice summer walk holding a house glass filled with water and sipping slowly during my walk (could well have grabbed a bottle). I didn't feel as much as a head high with HBWR as with MG.

HBWR in my opinion are a good alternative to shrooms or mdma but more psychedelic than mdma closer to mda visually and good for analysis/meditation with relatively moderate psychedelic propreties. In visual terms to me at least the highest doses felt like half hit of good lsd (around 100mcg-120mcg mark) but obviously with different effects. I always had it with weed and once with about 30 nitrous baloons (nothing special).

Vasoconstriction is noticable above 5-7 seeds and you get a 'noodle leg' sensation even when sitting so you may not want to walk around, in case you plan a stroll in the park.

Overall the high is euphoric and I have always liked it, it is psychedelic and sedating at the same time however I'd say its more sedating than psychedelic. For the record all my seeds were:

1. coating scraped 2. 1-2min wash white/scraped coating in a bowl with tap water 3. place seeds on paper towel for 2-3min till dry 4. place in coffe grinder and grind to powder

p.s. I tried to make LSH via the peppermint oil technique....either i didn't do it right or its not worth it.
 
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