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Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seed, Yerba Mate - I think I poisoned myself by accident

phoenixrain88

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I ground up six Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Bush seeds in a coffee grinder and added them to a mug of yerba mate tea -- an MAOI, I now know. I only ended up swallowing two or so of the seeds, the rest of the residue clinging to the bottom of the mug, too fucking nasty to scrape up and eat. About an hour prior, I had taken an l-tryptophan capsule.

The come-up was thrilling. My head was utterly clear of thoughts and energy filled me. I put on music and did a dance-yoga combination. My pupils expanded to practically eclipse the irises. Intermittently I wrote the beginning of a story, about 1,000 words. The story, when read by the sober eye, has promise but was written pretty sloppily.

My heartrate began to increase and become irregular, but this happens with almost any drug I take, so I paid it no mind. Taking a drug is really just ingesting some quantity of poison, hopefully insufficient to kill, in order to change the subjective experience temporarily, the details of such change mostly being forgotten in the aftermath. Point being, I'm used to my heart going a little crazy when I drink or smoke weed or take any other kind of drug, so I paid my heart no mind.

I talked on the phone for about an hour after that first hour of come-up in which I did dance-yoga. My imagination was incredibly stimulated. I looked around and my mind saw patterns in the arrangement of everyday objects. Anyone's imagination is capable of uch flights at any time, but most people are too fucking boring and self-absorbed to bother having that sort of fun, including me some of the time. I was paranoid at times, but I focused on breathing slowly and deeply.

Part of the way through my phone conversation, my words began slurring and I began seeing double. However, I ignored these symptoms at first. Once I had gotten off the phone, I could barely even walk. My neck was swollen to the touch and my head was pounding. I couldn't see straight or think straight or speak. My heart pounded faster and faster. I kept on grinning, feeling little anxiety, but dimly aware that I was becoming really, really ill. My stomach was tying itself into knots.

I did not go to sleep because it dawned on me that I might not wake up. My heart had begun feeling as though needles were being driven into it over and over again.

Then I heard the TV come on upstairs and I went up to see who it was. It was my younger brother. I spoke to him with great enthusiasm and vigor, thoughts racing from my imagination. My brother offered me some headies weed but I declined. Fuck that. Weed and acid were what gave me my first panic attack, and weed and LSA were what first started me hearing voices, which recurred for months afterward whenever I smoked weed, and still happens sometimes. The voices are moody. They will sometimes engage me in conversation, and sometimes cause horrible physical distress.

Even though I didn't smoke the weed, about an hour after my brother had gone up, a horrible set of voices began talking to me in my head.

"Yemteddy," one of them said. This meant, All of your coping mechanisms will come to nothing. If you are dying, you are dying no matter how you breathe or how positively you try to think. I am going to kill you because you are throwing your life away.

"Welmskiddle," another of them said. I do not quite remember what that means. Yemteddy and welmskiddle, repeating over and over again, a feeling like a cheese grater in my brain, a feeling like too much blood was rushing to parts of my brain and not enough blood to others, the voices whispering in the most horrible and sneering and contemptful tones. Pings and whirs and hums in my head. A horrible song, the tune of which I cannot remember and which I hope I never hear again -- I am getting goosebumps as I type this -- engulfed my skull and pain began racing up and down my arms. I could not get up out of the bed. All I could do was grind and gnash my teeth.

And then the experience stopped. I cannot say how long it lasted. I have slept the entire day away and I still feel weak and toxic. I'm throwing away the rest of my seeds, throwing away my b. caapi vines (MAOI's have just too many potentially toxic interactions to be worth the risk). Fuck drugs, fuck hearing voices, fuck poisoning myself through unpredictable interactions of chemicals not meant to be present within the human body.

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Dude, sorry to hear that this happened to you. HBWR seeds always give me a pretty heavy, sick trip, but what your reporting is pretty bad. I'd relax and stay off of psychedelics for a while and take care of yourself.

If some of these issues continue, talk to people in the dark side forum, they can be very helpful.
 
Sounds shitty, hope you're feeling better.

Yerbe Mate is an MAOI? that's the first I've heard of that, but a quick Google search does seem to confirm this. I still would imagine that the bulk of effects of yerbe mate are from the caffeine content, but who knows.

The pins and needles feeling is common on LSA containing seeds, but it usually effects the extremities the most. This is due to the vasoconstrictive effect of some of the ergolines contained in the seeds. Stimulants, including caffeine, should never be taken in combination with vasoconstricters because of the risk of hypertension.

Part of the way through my phone conversation, my words began slurring and I began seeing double. However, I ignored these symptoms at first. Once I had gotten off the phone, I could barely even walk. My neck was swollen to the touch and my head was pounding. I couldn't see straight or think straight or speak. My heart pounded faster and faster. I kept on grinning, feeling little anxiety, but dimly aware that I was becoming really, really ill. My stomach was tying itself into knots.

This sounds pretty alarming, perhaps it was an allergic reaction. It could possibly be psychosomatic though, no one can really say.

I think most people experience some degree of unpleasantness on LSAs. I think they are worth trying for the curious, but they are not really the most desirable psychedelic out there.

be safe, and have fun.
 
you must be really sensitive to lsa. I've eaten 11 seeds all at once, the effects were far from desirable. I feel like Lsa looses all its good qualities after a few trips, 8 seeds gave me a crazy mental trip and intense ecstacy like euphoria, with definate ego loss and synthesia, it was a beautiful trip. I even had visuals. Lsd is so much better, lsa has ALOT of negative effects along with it. The nausua would be unbearable, and the leg cramps were so bad i had a difficult experience from 11 seeds. I curled up in a ball for 8 hours. Lsa feels dirty to me, and i would never take them again after tripping on acid.
 
I used to play around with Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds before I got involved in poppy tea. It usually felt like a cross between LSD and psilocybin to me, and I have eaten anywhere from 2 to 12 seeds. The first time I tried it I ate 12 seeds because all the seeds I had purchased in the past were bunk so foolishly I Started with a high dose. I definitely tripped but I also had stomach and muscle cramps, and also some dizzy lightheaded spells (which didn't last too long thankfully).

One time I wanted to combine Syrian Rue with 2 seeds, but I was only able to choke down maybe 2 spoonfulls of Syrian Rue. I was almost sure this wouldn't be enough to effect my trip, but I was very wrong. I went out with a friend of mine and ended up hanging out with some people I didn't know, I felt very weird and out of place. THe trip was actually too intense, I was seeing swirling visuals and my pupils were completely blown from just 2 seeds. I didn't have a bad experience per se, just a powerful one.
 
Even though I didn't smoke the weed, about an hour after my brother had gone up, a horrible set of voices began talking to me in my head.

"Yemteddy," one of them said. This meant, All of your coping mechanisms will come to nothing. If you are dying, you are dying no matter how you breathe or how positively you try to think. I am going to kill you because you are throwing your life away.

"Welmskiddle," another of them said. I do not quite remember what that means. Yemteddy and welmskiddle, repeating over and over again, a feeling like a cheese grater in my brain, a feeling like too much blood was rushing to parts of my brain and not enough blood to others, the voices whispering in the most horrible and sneering and contemptful tones. Pings and whirs and hums in my head. A horrible song, the tune of which I cannot remember and which I hope I never hear again -- I am getting goosebumps as I type this -- engulfed my skull and pain began racing up and down my arms. I could not get up out of the bed. All I could do was grind and gnash my teeth.
This sounds very similar to an experience of psychedelically induced glossolalia I've had in that a flood of multimodal sensations is fused together into irresistible words that are simultaneously felt to be compressed representations of the accompanying sensational content. For you, a tactile experience of having your brain grated along with auditory hallucinations of music gave voice to paranoia through the sinister perceptual alchemist's incantation, "yemteddy." My experience involved a torrent of images and textures flowing over my tongue and out of my mouth, sounding the words out in irresistible snaps, like a flag in a gust of wind. I wouldn't be surprised to find that similar processes traveling different pathways underlie both hallucinatory voice hearing (which I've never experienced) and hallucinatory voicing.

If you find that voice hearing starts to intrude into your life, there are groups that help people to cope with it. There may even be ways to use the voices to your advantage.

http://www.intervoiceonline.org/
 
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Thank you for the information about glossolalia and the intervoice link. Since the trip I have been taking GABA and niacin to control anxiety, which flared up viciously in the trip's wake. The problem is that I have this persistent feeling of mental blockage, like all of my thoughts are surrounded in padding and banging up against a wall. Lord, I've done just too many drugs, poisoning my body and fucking up my mind. I wish that I could at least glimpse how I would be, how I would be living now, if I had never tried drugs in the first place. Oh well.
 
Perhaps this was a really good way for you to grow. There's a growing body of therapeutic work in the UK (and I'm sure in many other places as well) where the voices are engaged with and the content of the voices seen as meaningful vis-a-vis insights into say, inner conflicts & etc.

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^Yes, I find that work fascinating. I've been very interested in the qualitatively unique intelligences of the unconscious and the degree to which its various facets are autonomous (and how to communicate effectively with it, if possible) for a long time now. I wish I had something as salient as a (benign) voice to work with, though. At the moment I'm dependent on psychedelic visions, dreams, hypnagogia, serendipitous introspection, and lots of deduction.

Queenscarlet88: it's unfortunate that the voices you hear are so malicious. You may be able to change that and, ultimately, engage in a deeply revealing dialectic with yourself. It's POTENTIALLY an extremely fertile gift.
 
Oh, I heard voices but just didn't realize it all through childhood. I wrote novel after novel, a voice dictating the novels to me. The novels sucked for a very long time, but I've already knocked out my "million words of crap" this lifetime, so they were of deep value.

Often the voices would repeat meaningless phrases, sometimes taunting me, sometimes telling me things I wouldn't have noticed. I never felt anxious or frightened or anything. I never experienced any physical symptoms. I was extremely antisocial and fearful, but also incredibly imaginative and able to hone in on a single focus with just incredible edge. An ability which pot destroyed. But it'll come back.

I had a vast array of nervous tics at varying points in my childhood and was incredibly socially oblivious. I mean //truly// oblivious, not only to what people thought of me, but also to the idea that other people might think anything of me at all. I would hum and squeak and blink and twitch and all the rest, but my social oblivion saved me: I didn't notice any scorn, I was never bullied. I was just alone, and I liked it.

Oh, and as an infant and young baby I would touch and count and arrange and place for hours and hours on end. I remember none of this, but my mother has told me about it.

It is only very very recently that I've started realizing that maybe my childhood was rather odd. Yet I wouldn't have traded it for any other. I have learned to pay attention to my surroundings and not just my thoughts, to socialize (albeit with great terror sometimes), and I yearn for being able to focus on single things at a time with manic intensity again. I think that by abstaining totally from weed, alcohol, and other mind-rotting drugs, I shall regain this ability, and I shall write beautiful fiction and live a beautiful life.

</delusions of ego-tripping grandeur>
 
Fuck drugs, fuck hearing voices, fuck poisoning myself through unpredictable interactions of chemicals not meant to be present within the human body.

I'm with you man. I'm sitting here worried as fuck about my brain now because of Meph + 2ce, and it's really making me re-think my fucking actions. Time to stop being a fucking junk box.

But will I really learn? I guess i'll find out.
 
Sounds like you should not smoke weed or do psychedelics - hearing voices?! I don't mean to be adick, but unless these voices are telling you positive things, then this is a bad thing...

If they're helping you to make yourself better than they're fine, but if you never heard voices before the combo of cannabis and LSD/LSA, then get some help with that.
But don't just settle for anyone, really find someone you feel you can be completely comfortable with, and who doesn't just think you're mentally ill, as in some cases it could just be that you have ESP or something that no one can really explain so would label you crazy.
 
LSA is dodgy, I have never had a really satisfactory experience on it. The last time I had very bad leg cramps and really blood shot eyes. If I were you I would stop all drugs and see if it gets better and if not get help, which from the sound of it you are already. Hearing voices unless you want to be a saint is not good; don't get into a magical way of thinking it's a road to madness.
 
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