Having a huge drug rotation to avoid tolerance?

[lolwhatzdrugs]

This is actually something I've been doing myself for years. The thing is, it does work extremely well for avoiding addiction (which is why I do it), but pragmatically it doesn't help much in the way of tolerance. It will at first, but if you do it for any prolonged amount of time (years for instance) tolerance will indeed creep up on you.

Its possible that it could just be me, but the body doesnt seem to forget substance use that easily. For instance, after a several year heroin addiction which I had before i started rotating drugs (and which took a very long time to develop) I quit using H about 2 years. Then I visited a few friends and partook in some recreational H use and my tolerance sky-rocketed within a week alone (and this has happened with a variety of substances as well). Lol so now instead of avoiding tolerance, it does seem as if i've developed some sort of permanent tolerance to almost all categories of recreational psychoactives. But yeah, I can't disparage this method too much, because I still have a lot of fun and engage in drug use on a near daily basis without any major issues (and I can thank my drug-rotation for that in a big way)...but as far as the specific issue of tolerance goes, it really doesn't help the situation at all.

The part about tolerance raising after being an addict is a well known effect.

You're not avoiding addiction btw, you're avoiding dependence. Two different things, one is physiological, and one is psychological. Yours is the latter. Don't kid yourself, you're a polydrug using addict who can stop without feeling withdrawals (if what you say is true).

Most people here are both, or formerly both.

 

[Viṣakaṇṭha]

I'd most certainly disagree. I have no issues physiologically or psychologically. Considering you dont know me, Im not sure what authority you have to comment on specific aspects of my life (particularly ones that I haven't discussed here).

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I'd most certainly disagree. I have no issues physiologically or psychologically. Considering you dont know me, Im not sure what authority you have to comment on specific aspects of my life (particularly ones that I haven't discussed here).

I don't think you understand.

If you take these things every week, and need to take them, and feel shitty, or yearn for one of them when you have none, you are psychologically addiction.

If you have cessation symptoms from a drug, then you were dependant on it, and physiologically addicted (like your former heroin addiction).

What drugs are you rotating with anyway?

"in drug use on a near daily basis without any major issues (and I can thank my drug-rotation for that in a big way)...but as far as the specific issue of tolerance goes, it really doesn't help the situation at all."

This sentence makes me think that you can't spend life without getting high on something. Hence my guess.

You're right, maybe I misunderstood or you misspoke, and it is true I don't know you. Just sounds very similar to psychological dependence, and it need not even be drugs " exercise addiction, food addiction, sexual addiction, computer addiction and gambling."

Though it could be argued that most of these addictions are merely the result of increases of dopamine, and therefore very similar to some drug addictions. The exercise addiction can be from endorphins (endodgenous opioids) "Exercise addiction is thought to be related to the euphoric feelings resulting from the rapid release of endorphins that occurs during intense bouts of exercise. Although the evidence in not conclusive, there is a high correlation between exercise addiction and endorphins. Endorphins work by activating opiate receptors in the brain causing pain relief and are also correlated with causing euphoric feelings."


Now there was a guy at the (psychiatric) hospital my father worked at who just couldn't stop running, constantly. Dunno if he was psychotic as well or just liked the euphoria of running. He died in his 30's there.

 

[Viṣakaṇṭha]

Idk, I believe I understand you quite well

If you take these things every week, and need to take them, and feel shitty, or yearn for one of them when you have none, you are psychologically addiction.

When did I say I experience anything even remotely resembling this?

If you have cessation symptoms from a drug, then you were dependant on it, and physiologically addicted (like your former heroin addiction).

I acknowledged my former heroin addiction...I also stated that it occurred before I began my routine of rotating substances. Since then I've had no issues.

What drugs are you rotating with anyway?

Pretty much the whole gamut....stimulants, opiates, dissociatives, alcohol, psychedelics, benzos, deliriants/poisons, cannabis, empathogens,, etc etc etc

"in drug use on a near daily basis without any major issues (and I can thank my drug-rotation for that in a big way)...but as far as the specific issue of tolerance goes, it really doesn't help the situation at all."

This sentence makes me think that you can't spend life without getting high on something. Hence my guess.

I think that might be a bit presumptuous on your part. And im usually very careful with my wording, and I notice I did use the word "near" ...as in to say there are times of course (for one reason or another) when I do refrain from said activities...and its certainly not an earth-shattering occurrence. In fact its happening at the moment...as I'm visiting family for the holidays (a place not particularly conducive to such activities) I haven't touched so much as a glass of wine or even a cigarette. And yet Im not on the floor, fetal position, begging for respite from my woeful abyss of sobriety

You're right, maybe I misunderstood or you misspoke, and it is true I don't know you. Just sounds very similar to psychological dependence, and it need not even be drugs " exercise addiction, food addiction, sexual addiction, computer addiction and gambling.

Oh yeah, I totally agree with you. And I do see how it could appear that way...but just bc someone partakes in activities that they enjoy on a frequent basis...that needn't necessitate that one is an addict. I just simply have a fascination in experimenting with consciousness, and enjoy partaking in the activity as frequently as possible. Lol I grew up quite found of the William Blake philosophy of, "The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom" But if there's periods where Im unable to live in such a manner, it's certainly not an existential crisis of any sorts :D

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I think that might be a bit presumptuous on your part. And im usually very careful with my wording, and I notice I did use the word "near" ...as in to say there are times of course (for one reason or another) when I do refrain from said activities...and its certainly not an earth-shattering occurrence. In fact its happening at the moment...as I'm visiting family for the holidays (a place not particularly conducive to such activities) I haven't touched so much as a glass of wine or even a cigarette. And yet Im not on the floor, fetal position, begging for respite from my woeful abyss of sobriety

Yup. I don't know you IRL.


I realize now that when I took opioids two weeks off, two weeks on with no physical discomfort, I was still an addict.

 

[Viṣakaṇṭha]

I realize now that when I took opioids two weeks off, two weeks on with no physical discomfort, I was still an addict.

Hmmm, that's a shame. I can generally find a way to usually keep myself happy (mentally and physically), with or without drugs. I just find a lot of validity in the philosophical concept of excess....as opposed to something more along the Buddhist lines of The Middle Way. But to each their own good sir....

 

[nbome in the dome]

The main reason that this is an unmaintainable endeavor...

It is simply too expensive to maintain. that is potentially about a couple of grand worth of drugs in 2 to three weeks...

Also, the comedown of those dissociatives are going to affect you for the next couple days or so..

You will go batshit crazy.

Yes I think going batshit crazy sums it up pretty well.

 

[Tryptamino]

It's a flawed concept, because if youre psychologically addicted to something, your just gonna break whatever rotation you'd set up, either all at once, or by making exceptions here and there, until you just go back to daily opiate use

 

[PotatoMan]

If you do manage to maintain a successful drug rotation, after some time you'd become PSYCHOTIC. And what will the days of the week turn to?
Day 1. Seroquel
Day 2. Seroquel
Day 3. Seroquel
Day 4. Seroquel
Day 5. Seroquel
Day 6. Seroquel
Day 7. Seroquel
Not to mention that you're serotonin levels will also be fucked in the ass without any lube. So I'm thinking maybe Wellbutrin to ad to your daily routine?

C'mon guys, there's no need to even want to attempt something like this. Get some ambition while you're bored. To the OP, you're asking for major issues in your life, both financial and health.

Drugs are not meant to take everyday. They will only create problems.

*Live free*

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Why is this open still? It's been rehashed. No it's a bad idea to try to use MANY different drugs to control your polydrug addiction (or not, whatever you say, I don't know for sure.....).

There are plenty of fucking stupid recommendations we could give, but this is a HR forum.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Why is this open still? It's been rehashed. No it's a bad idea to try to use MANY different drugs to control your polydrug addiction (or not, whatever you say, I don't know for sure.....).

There are plenty of fucking stupid recommendations we could give, but this is a HR forum.

Exactly...

Which is exactly why this is being closed.