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Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

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Have you investigated GnosticChristianity?

The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it caneven be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity andCatholicism. If the old GnosticChristians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to theoriginal Orthodox Catholic Church or its various offshoots in Protestantism andIslam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quitedisappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

Please suffer through a bit of boring history.

The main differences that moved the oldChristians to decimate Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures wasliteralism in reading scriptures. They were also more patriarchal and were notabout to grant equality to women. Much later, gays would also lose the equalitythat theyenjoyed. These were Jewsdon’t forget. The Gnostic version of Jesus and his Father was that they were Universalist.That communistic view of the demographics of heaven did not go over well withthose who had a more pyramidal view of what they wanted God to be. War wasdeclared and my side lost.

That is why we think literalism to be quiteevil. Proof is shown by the fact that it led to the Dark Ages, the Inquisitionand all the other affronts to humanity that the Abrahamic cults havecollectively done and continue to civilized society. Not too civilized but weAbrahamic cultists are what we are. If we were not sinners we would not beseeking a God to forgive us.

The Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the GnosticChristians of that flavor, see a spark of God in all people including women andgays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirabledenomination of Christianity than all the rest. After all, if a religion cannotaccept equality of humans as a starting place, then it cannot be a goodreligion. All souls are equal. That is scripture. That is why we connectequality to righteousness. If a religion cannot abide with equality of thesexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of thesupport of moral people.

Inequality is an immoral position and most ofthe Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion. They take, --- he shallrule over you, --- to an immoral institutionalized position.

As the superior Catholic theology, it is myhope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually absorb the non-egalitarian andimmoral Christian cults. I hope their members recognize that equality is theright moral system for all to live under, and that as religionists, to notactively support equality for all, would make any denomination of the Abrahamiccults more of a satanic cult than a God loving one.

Regards
DL
 
You've done this one before GB :D

For starters, here: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/727061-Have-you-investigated-Gnostic-Christianity

And here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.863352-Have-you-investigated-Gnostic-Christianity
And here: http://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?1328-Have-you-investigated-Gnostic-Christianity&
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=185446

Dude, I want to believe but you're making it difficult....:D The passion you convey is totally subsumed by your scattergun approach to administering it....
 
You've done this one before GB :D

For starters, here: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/727061-Have-you-investigated-Gnostic-Christianity

And here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.863352-Have-you-investigated-Gnostic-Christianity
And here: http://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?1328-Have-you-investigated-Gnostic-Christianity&
And here: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=185446

Dude, I want to believe but you're making it difficult....:D The passion you convey is totally subsumed by your scattergun approach to administering it....

My bad. My style is that of an absent minded person which I cannot help.

Regards
DL
 
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Have you investigated GnosticChristianity?

Please suffer through a bit of boring history.



How dare you ask me to suffer! And for what?! Knowledge!?

Bah.


jesus-christ-crucifixion-525.jpg
 
As someone who has done quite a bit of reading on the subject and time period, myself, I think you're simplifying a very broad range of doctrines, most (if not all) of which were named and described by their enemies--when they were described at all.
 
As someone who has done quite a bit of reading on the subject and time period, myself, I think you're simplifying a very broad range of doctrines, most (if not all) of which were named and described by their enemies--when they were described at all.

Things need to be kept simple for sheeple. Free thinking does not come easy to them or they would not be Christians.

No worries though, the Christians did not manage to burn all the scriptures.

Regards
DL
 
Yes I have read and done some research about Gnosticism.

I don't personally see anything wrong with it.

I did get into a bit of an argument with a Fundamentalist guy on facebook about how he thought that gnosticism is bad, that you shouldn't dare to question anything in the Bible/Old Testament/Torah because it's all true/factual, he believed in the book of Revelations not as a code about the end of the Roman empire but the acutal end times, and he claimed to have studied at a seminary for 5-6 years; but I doubt he graduated or actually is a real minister or religious leader. He was also highly bigoted and homophobic. He also would use his Fundementalist Christianity to revise history claiming that God himself wanted Christopher Columbus to go to America or the Caribbean to spread Christianity, and that it wasn't really bad what he and the Spanish did to the native people/Indians there.

Normally I don't engage fanatics and bigots like this guy since you're not going to change their mind; but he ran a group I was in that had nothing to do with religion but he and other people would try to make the group be about their Fundamentalist evangelical Christianity and hardcore Roman Catholicism. While other people in the group like myself and other people who were kicked out said how religion/spirituality and politics should not be discussed since people would just use the group as their platform which is what happened.
 
How dare you ask me to suffer! And for what?! Knowledge!?

Bah.


jesus-christ-crucifixion-525.jpg


To say that a God can suffer or name any other attribute is to restrict your un-restrictable God. Oh ye of little faith.

Wow man is powerful. We can hurt a God. Reduce your ego to normal son. You are not that big.

Regards
DL
 
Yes I have read and done some research about Gnosticism.

I don't personally see anything wrong with it.

I did get into a bit of an argument with a Fundamentalist guy on facebook about how he thought that gnosticism is bad, that you shouldn't dare to question anything in the Bible/Old Testament/Torah because it's all true/factual, he believed in the book of Revelations not as a code about the end of the Roman empire but the acutal end times, and he claimed to have studied at a seminary for 5-6 years; but I doubt he graduated or actually is a real minister or religious leader. He was also highly bigoted and homophobic. He also would use his Fundementalist Christianity to revise history claiming that God himself wanted Christopher Columbus to go to America or the Caribbean to spread Christianity, and that it wasn't really bad what he and the Spanish did to the native people/Indians there.

Normally I don't engage fanatics and bigots like this guy since you're not going to change their mind; but he ran a group I was in that had nothing to do with religion but he and other people would try to make the group be about their Fundamentalist evangelical Christianity and hardcore Roman Catholicism. While other people in the group like myself and other people who were kicked out said how religion/spirituality and politics should not be discussed since people would just use the group as their platform which is what happened.

I hear you. I like it when my religion is bad mouthed by others. It means we are visible and if the one criticizing us is a Christian, and people recognize how immoral Christianity is, we automatically look as moral as our theology is.

That would have made us the most moral religion in Constantine's day and that is likely why he had his new church decimate us.

Oh well. Perhaps we will shine in these modern days as we are still the superior religion even it I only consider how we cannot discriminate against women and gays. Time will tell.

Regards
DL
 
The problem with you is you're not a good representative for Gnostic Christianity as all you do is attack conventional Christianity and Jesus.

If anyone wants to understand the value of Gnostic Christianity they should read Peter Deunov, who just said "Christ has been the role-model I've followed throughout my life", referring to the real Jesus and not bothering wasting time with the bunk Jesus.

As a result he was able to ascend in his lifetime, leave his body, and make travels to the sun. Let me know what it's like there when you get so far.
 
The problem with you is you're not a good representative for Gnostic Christianity as all you do is attack conventional Christianity and Jesus.

If anyone wants to understand the value of Gnostic Christianity they should read Peter Deunov, who just said "Christ has been the role-model I've followed throughout my life", referring to the real Jesus and not bothering wasting time with the bunk Jesus.

As a result he was able to ascend in his lifetime, leave his body, and make travels to the sun. Let me know what it's like there when you get so far.

I know that I am not the best but I am the best you will likely ever chat with.

I like the Jesus I know and try to emulate him but when it comes to the immoral Christianity that created the Dark Ages and murderous Inquisition, I will not relent until they repent from their misogynous ways and start to push for female equality.

Do you recall what Jesus did to the money changers?

I pride myself for doing the same to todays immoral Christian religion. I will continue until Christianity has the good sense to go to Gnostic Christianity and stops flying the cross.

Havinganother innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that youmight escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Jesus saidto pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the linethat someone else should pay your dues. Quite manly and moral that. Not.

Do youreally think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your justreward?

Deuteronomy24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put todeath because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because oftheir fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shalldie. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the fathersuffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall beupon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Thedeclaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon thechildren is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, TheAge of Reason]

As aboveso below.

If you hadGod's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against thewisdom of Jesus and the bible?

Perhapslike being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?

That iswhat a good God would do.

Regards
DL
 
He was simply a member of the Essenes, a very pure sect set apart from most of their comtemporaries, descended from the Pythagorean school. That's where he got his background and radical ideas.

I'm also a big fan of Pythagoras, he was a rare genius, so this suits me quite well. Though of course most don't believe Jesus ever took the time to study the great philosophers like Pythagoras, and was mostly driven by some sort of superstition.

Most followers of classical philosophy probably consider them superior to Jesus in intellect, which is ludicrous. He travelled and studied all the religious writings around the world before he came to his ultimate faith. And who could kid themselves they were gifted with a better brain - somehow I don't think a dimwit was chosen for this mission (but you can also hear that in his words).
 
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He was simply a member of the Essenes, a very pure sect set apart from most of their comtemporaries, descended from the Pythagorean school. That's where he got his background and radical ideas.

I'm also a big fan of Pythagoras, he was a rare genius, so this suits me quite well. Though of course most don't believe Jesus ever took the time to study the great philosophers like Pythagoras, and was mostly driven by some sort of superstition.

Most followers of classical philosophy probably consider them superior to Jesus in intellect, which is ludicrous. He travelled and studied all the religious writings around the world before he came to his ultimate faith. And who could kid themselves they were gifted with a better brain - somehow I don't think a dimwit was chosen for this mission (but you can also hear that in his words).

You spout un-provable garbage while ignoring the immorality you promote.

Get thee behind me Satan.

Jesus would not teach the filth you believe in.

Regards
DL
 
WTF. Jesus was simply intelligent and highly educated. He would see the value of the classic philosophers - if we can, don't you think he'd be able to?

I also feel information like this simply serve to put him more in the realm of reality and reason rather than the mindless superstition so many think he stands for.

But we can't have any of that, I suppose.
 
WTF. Jesus was simply intelligent and highly educated. He would see the value of the classic philosophers - if we can, don't you think he'd be able to?

I also feel information like this simply serve to put him more in the realm of reality and reason rather than the mindless superstition so many think he stands for.

But we can't have any of that, I suppose.

Whatever Jesus was, he would not teach the filthy morals you ascribe to him.

Havinganother innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that youmight escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Jesus saidto pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the linethat someone else should pay your dues. Quite manly and moral that. Not.

Do youreally think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your justreward?

Deuteronomy24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put todeath because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because oftheir fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shalldie. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the fathersuffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall beupon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Thedeclaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon thechildren is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, TheAge of Reason]

As aboveso below.

If you hadGod's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against thewisdom of Jesus and the bible?

Perhapslike being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?

That iswhat a good God would do.

Regards
DL


 
To say that a God can suffer or name any other attribute is to restrict your un-restrictable God. Oh ye of little faith.

Wow man is powerful. We can hurt a God. Reduce your ego to normal son. You are not that big.

Regards
DL

You're starting to get it! The macro is the micro The All is in the All. And so forth...
 
I once read that although God can be said to be living in a state of perpetual ecstacy, there's a small part of him that feels very sad about all the suffering of his creatures.
 
You're starting to get it! The macro is the micro The All is in the All. And so forth...

Many have said the same type of rhetoric but do you see the perfection that of all?

You have done the easy part of esoteric thinking. Have you convince your brain to see God everywhere, and if you have, what are you doing idol worshiping the Christian God?

Regards
DL
 
I once read that although God can be said to be living in a state of perpetual ecstacy, there's a small part of him that feels very sad about all the suffering of his creatures.

Then why would God create evil and suffering?
If there is no other creator then the buck for evil and suffering stops with God. Right?

Regards
DL
 
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