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have you experienced ego death?

Sure, the planet got seeded from outer space; life is no reason to assume life began on our planet, but to think an intelligent being did so intentionally seed the universe? Think of it from their perspective, the plan was to seed the universe and then wait for microbes to evolve over the course of 3.8 billion years into humans? This sounds like a fairly difficult maneuver.
Is it safe to assume all DNA gets mutated and that those mutations occurred at a higher rate in the past?
It is more likely a natural process where planets of life are bombarded, and set back evolutionarily speaking, with meteors, as it was earlier in our solar system. *That* life evolved on separate planetary systems. The bacteria we evolved from had been skipping along from solar system to solar system for 10 billion years evolving.
These other planets would have been hampered by the same setbacks as our own evolution. Could there be somewhere that started sooner and experienced fewer setbacks?
I would assume if such a place exists it would be far from our neighbor solar systems, which are likely similar to our own.
Is that bacteria DNA somehow the brain of bacteria after 10 billion years, allowing it to survive?
 
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pmoseman,
are you putting aliens or alien bacteria into this thread for any particular reason?
the word assume is used twice, evolution twice and some kind of bacterial brain????
 
It seems to me that after your ego takes enough of a psychedelic beating, it has the tendency to come back stronger...just like a weightlifter ripping up and then rebuilding muscle, or a plant whose stem gets bent...it grows back stronger. Look at Terrance McKenna...he must have repeatedly kicked his egos ass, only to become one of the most vibrant and boisterous personalities of his generation...I notice it in myself too....it reminds me of withdraw from any drug...when the chemical goes away, opposite effects manifest themselves. I was reading about this the other day, not sure where...these ideas were borrowed from another forum
 
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i've beaten my 'ego' into the ground so many times. I've whited out more times than i can count. I've blacked out even more. It eventually starts to loosen, your associations with reality loosen and your mind is a bit more open to things that other brains may not accept. I think smashing my ego to bits has shown me that whatever 'i' am can exist without 'me', ie. I am not all that is. I am just a construct created by sensory data but something exists attached to that I, not very strongly either but it stands beside it or behind it and the 'I' or ego is merely attached to it.

I think this is what we are becoming aware of when we describe ego softening or whatever you want to call it. That we are one, unity, whatever, parts of a whole.

the idea of outliers interest me because it is because of these mutations that things evolve, it's built into the system and is what makes it work. Doesn't that suggest intelligent design? kind of strange IMO you can look at it from the macro and micro level and in different contexts. Abnormalities are what drive change.

What is enlightenment anyway? anyone who says they are enlightened just sounds like an asshole. We are all one, i have the same issue with someone who is self-realized or whatever. it's all bullshit, if you have no ego, you are no longer human. Unless there is a case where there is a human body that has no concept of itself - isn't everything aware of itself? if not how can we tell? if so what does that mean?
 
"anyone who says they are enlightened just sounds like an asshole."

enlightenment, illumination, it happens...to normal people.... a pillar of the Vajrayana tradition is that all exhibit buddha nature...a time will come (moksha) when the whole of life will be awakened......Vajrayana is fucking cool...esoteric Buddhism... definitely something that other brains may not be inclined to accept. Earth is turning on...Shulgin said he was a toolmaker...making screwdrivers for screws that haven't been invented yet...its starting to work, Normal humans (like myself and roborip^) are merging with the light...something that would have taken a lifetime of discipline in the past is now accessible to everybody.
 
i have had very fleeting moments of "enlightenment". my first high-dose LSD trip i felt like the buddha for about ten minutes. its great to feel that way, and these experiences can be integrated into your life to help you guide you down your own path. i am of the opinion that using psychedelics dont make you actually enlightened. they open the door, but you must be the one to pass through it.

sadly i know many people who take tons of acid and think they understand everything, and are in a constant state of nirvana. i guess theres no way for me to know, but most people that act like that dont practice what they preach and makes the concept of uncovering your own spirituality through psychedelics a joke.

meditation, music, yoga, etc are a more long-lasting way to integrate that state of mind in my experience.
 
SWIM Had A Dream said:
enlightenment, illumination, it happens...to normal people.... a pillar of the Vajrayana tradition is that all exhibit buddha nature
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I dunno, it didn't work out in Tibet did it. The Tibetan Buddhist monks had a thousand years of meditation and study of Buddha nature and what sort of society were they living in after a thousand years? One where they used the native Tibetans as slaves, gouging out their eyes if they took a goat for a bit extra food and making them taste the sting of the lash if their buddhist masters were displeased with them. They were vicious, cruel, pitiless motherfuckers.

So if that's what a thousand years of buddhist study gets you, perhaps it ain't all that. What's that old buddhist noble truth? "Liberate yourself from attachment - but if you take my fucking goat I'll go to town on you with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch".

GreenMachine said:
meditation, music, yoga, etc are a more long-lasting way to integrate that state of mind in my experience.
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I think they're different things tho green - I couldn't compare music or yoga to a psychedelic experience. They're very different experiences.
 
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I think the white out experience can be used to get an idea what can be possible thru other meathods. It is most definitely not full enlightenment. Helpful hint: if you find the world has the ability to make you frustrated...you aren't fully enlightened. Vajrayana describes 4 steps of enlightenment: (Wikipedia)

(1) the path to stream-entry; (2) the fruition of stream-entry;
(3) the path to once-returning; (4) the fruition of once-returning;
(5) the path to non-returning; (6) the fruition of non-returning;
(7) the path to arahantship; (8) the fruition of arahantship.

Though drugs can't cause you to become fully enlightened on thier own, I truly believe they can be one of very many paths to stream entry:

(Wikipedia)

Main article: Sotāpanna
The first stage is that of Sotāpanna (Pali; Sanskrit: Srotāpanna), literally meaning "one who enters (āpadyate) the stream (sotas)," with the stream being the highest form of dharma. The stream-enterer is also said to have "opened the eye of the Dharma" (dhammacakkhu, Sanskrit: dharmacakṣus).
A stream-enterer reaches arahantship within seven rebirths upon opening the eye of the Dharma.
Due to the fact that the stream-enterer has attained an intuitive grasp of Buddhist doctrine (samyagdṛṣṭi or sammādiṭṭhi, "right view") and has complete confidence or Saddha in the Three Jewels: Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha, that individual will not be reborn in any plane lower than the human (animal, preta, or in hell).

Pretty far out shit...but so much of it seems so farmilliar
 
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^^

Although pretty much every "buddhist master" will tell you drugs can't do any good. I'd argue that psychedelics are vastly superior to buddhism for pretty much every sacred experience.
 
Ismene said:
I dunno, it didn't work out in Tibet did it. The Tibetan Buddhist monks had a thousand years of meditation and study of Buddha nature and what sort of society were they living in after a thousand years? One where they used the native Tibetans as slaves, gouging out their eyes if they took a goat for a bit extra food and making them taste the sting of the lash if their buddhist masters were displeased with them. They were vicious, cruel, pitiless motherfuckers.

So if that's what a thousand years of buddhist study gets you, perhaps it ain't all that. What's that old buddhist noble truth? "Liberate yourself from attachment - but if you take my fucking goat I'll go to town on you with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch
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Maybe they just weren't doing enough entheogens bc the masters told them it was bad
 
EarthBounded said:
My ego death is when I completely forget my human Identity and where I am ayahuasca breakthrough is really the only point this has happened to me, or one time on Acid. Real ego death is Nuts pretty much you know your breathing and that is it
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Ayahuasca sounds amazing, would love to try it, DMT is kinda too fast
 
Despite quite a few trips on several different psychedelics, I have only fully lost my ego once. My first "trip" ever was a 5+ gram mushroom trip that changed my life forever. What started as an hour of outrageous, uncontrollable, hysterical laughter for absolute no reason turned into doors sliding on walls, curtains flailing in the wind, the water from the movie "Inception" was flowing from the tv into my living room, an ABSOLUTE AMAZING +++ time...until one of my stoned friends I guess got tired of me yelling and babbling in awe and said out loud "This has gone too far". Even though he wasn't serious, that simple statement was enough to turn my wonderful trip a complete 180. I suddenly KNEW that I had gotten lost in a dream and I would die here. Even though the thinking doesn't make sense, nothing made sense at that moment. Such fear came over me, I immediately turned to my best friend from childhood for support. Talking to her started to help calm down my irrational fear that had suddenly consumed me (this was my freshman year at UCF a couple years ago, I was 19. I guess my friend had gained the freshman fifteen and I had realized and I called her fat...my subconscious thoughts were coming out. When I realized I no longer had control of my thoughts or words, even my subconscious ones, I puked. Literally. I remember looking into the sink and seeing the chunks of UNDIGESTED mushrooms in the sink. And them came the loss of my ego.

My friend realized it was time to put me in bed in a dark room with minimal stimuli. What I experienced in that bed was something no substance has been able to do, not LSD, 2CB, nothing. I laid in that bed DEAD, as my soul drifted above into the dark. There, I saw my life up until then in bubbles. My friends in one bubble, my family in another, my teachers and professors in another, different aspects of what had been my life in their own bubble floating in what FEELED like a cytoplasm of black fluid. As sleep and exhaustion fell upon me, my trip once more did a 180 and I blissfully fell asleep accepting my human death and simply existed with the universe in a much more profound way than literally placing my feet on this Earth can ever do. The loss of my ego that night is was made it possible for me to have such great trips on other psychedelics, like LSD.

The psilocybin chapter came complete circle for me that night. Level 5 type ego loss is an indescribable, universal, spiritual, truly visual state of being I now respect it and have a certain regard for such experiences. I no longer fear them however, as there is no need to. I can "go out there" on LSD and keep fear and anxiety minimal, if at all, knowing that everything always where it should be, in the end. Once should embrace such a state, but respect it. I await my next experience of this nature, hopefully I can explore the realms that substances such as DMT open.

P.S. - my best friend ended up stealing my adderall and losing the freshman fifteen.
 
Had an ego death on shrooms and syrian rue, best experience ever, but when the ego came back... i cried
 
A question to those who have experienced "ego death": If you did come out with a new or different understanding, or perception, was it more of a personal "truth" or is it something that you think applies to the world/universe?
 
I took back with me a better understanding of what I am really, as a thinking and self-conscious entity made up of all my memories and personality. It sometimes can take getting all your normal mental faculties removed and becoming nothing to really understand the complex interconnected systems that encode your waking reality. Really interesting self analysis was done after the ego began reassembly.
 
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