Have you been homeless?

Sure, but does this friend want to see you homeless over this? Sounds like a pretty asymmetric friendship to me.

But then again, I don't have anywhere near all of the information at hand. IE is on the right track though: in pretty well every province you need to give a lot of notice, and usually just cause, before booting someone out. I'd look into your options, if it means the difference between offending a relation of a friend and spending time homeless in a Canadian winter.

But then again, I don't have anywhere near all of the information at hand.

I guess I left out some detail. My landlords and I were sort of close friends. I knew them for 5 years. They offered me a place to stay when I was running a successful roof construction sub contractor company, or crew. Instead of living in a small house with crack heads and alcoholics (Oxycodone, crack and alcohol addiction are quite prevalent in the roofing trade), they offered to let me live in their much larger house that had an office, all the family members were successful and sober as judges. Just generally good humble, hard working people. I figured this would rid me of the distractions of the typical roofer bullshit and allow me to focus on business, and how to become more successful. Perhaps go to college.
( I did take 2 Carpentry Courses). My philosophy was, surround yourself with good people, and you will become good as well.

Unfortunately I ran into an old roofer 5 months after moving in that had been fired some years ago for severe abuse of Oxy (3-4 80's a day). It wasn't safe having him on the roof, and he was actually unaware of a bulging disc he was so fucked up all the time. Had to wear this thing to drain fluids or something for a year IIRC. So he obviously knew where to get the good shit, and I just had an impulse and wanted to try H. Eventually I followed his guy to the bar, and we hooked up. he loved me.
I got bad fast. First 5 months living at my friends house were great, but after getting a steady supply I went downhill fast. Pawned nearly all my tools, blew through my savings, lost the trust of my family, not to mention the horrible
disappointment. Also, now I cant work in trades because I fucked up my arms nodding out in weird positions and pinching nerves for hours on end. Construction is all I know.

I don't intend to dicksize here, but I did a very conservative calculation on how much I spent (the shit was expensive, and I usually only grabbed grams, rarely balls). $38k CDN Fucking up my nose. That could have been a down payment on a house, money to expand my business. Education money. FUCK.

Yeah that's what I left out. I felt they didn't deserve to put up with me any longer. They just wanted to see me do well, and I fucked it up royally. I felt really ashamed and as if I had taken advantage of them.
Man I'm conflicted as fuck. Cause at the same time I really don't want to leave, I feel this is the best place to recover.
 
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Thanks for the info drscience. You alluded to something along those lines, and while I didn't have figures to put to it, I'd still say that it isn't that relevant. Sure, you've messed up by getting addicted, but that's your problem, not your landlord's. I understand your reason to leave, but at best you'll just wind up surrounded by the wrong people again, when being surrounded by the right people would be supportive of getting clean.

Perhaps this is the time for you to get clean? Would you consider checking into an in-patient rehab? I'd imagine that the roofing business is slowing down now that winter is slowly coming along, so this might be a good time to get this sorted. Construction can be lucrative work, especially as you get higher up, but the temptations that go with that are endemic. I live in the last major hub before the oilpatch, and we have a saying: "it's always snowing in Ft. Mac"; i.e. there's tons of blow up there. There are stories abound of fresh young men going up there with the idea of making $125K in a year and (before the bubble) buying a house cash-in-hand, but then having all the money go up their nose, into their arm or into a prostitute.

You can recover from this. There are a couple more days before the end of the month-- consider your options and see what might work best for you in the long term. Regardless of where you live, it's clear now that you've done the financials on it that you could be doing very well for yourself if you were clean. It's just whether that's enough motivation for you. There's no reason to get down on yourself-- you're good people, smart, and I think that you know what needs to be done. It's just that it's going to be very hard going for a while, and keeping on with the addiction would be easy.

Best of luck to you, and please do keep checking in over the coming weeks if you can. :)
 
Yeah Dave, I have wanted to go into in-patient for a while now...but in Ontario there is ~a 3 month waiting period if OHIP is to cover it. I can not afford it sadly, my Mother could, and even offered it to me recently, and I was so relieved that I could
finally begin to recover. But My Mother ended up talking to her ex husband (peice of shit bank robber sperm doner of a father) the night she offered to pay for rehab, and he convinced her that she should not have to pay, and that i should recover on my own. Fuck I hate my father. He fucked up my family and put the entire burden of parenthood on my poor Mom when he committed those crimes, broke up my family when he got out of prison, (my poor Mother let him move back in, she always gave people the benefit of the doubt) and now hes fucked up my best chance at recovery.

When I learned the rehab was offf the table, I just lost hope and went on Methadone. Now I have to battle that beast. I could have (relatively) easily detoxed off heroin... Rehab has a 3 month waiting period and requires 7 day detox prior to
admission, and now I'm on fucking Methadone. So you can see my dilemma. Tapering off methadone takes a while from what I understand, and I don't know if you can cold-turkey it.

If my Dad were here right now I'd break his fucking nose, possibly face.
 
Ugh, rightly so.

Have you spoken to your mum recently about this? Maybe raised some concerns about the immediacy of your condition, and how it's pretty well inpatient or the streets? And how maybe your absentee dad shouldn't have a say in your life?
 
Dave
Ugh, rightly so.

Have you spoken to your mum recently about this? Maybe raised some concerns about the immediacy of your condition, and how it's pretty well inpatient or the streets? And how maybe your absentee dad shouldn't have a say in your life?

Yes I have. Or at least tried to. She does not answer phone and sends me texts saying " tell me what you want to talk about and I'll seee if I want to call back". And when I mention what I want to talk aabout (like what you suggested)
she doesn't call back. My mom has serious trust issues, probably stemming from from my dads secret criminal lifestyle which he eventually got arrested for when I was 6. Not to mention my drug habit which I only admitted to 2 months or
so before I got on the 'done.
 
Damn. That blows. Hard.

So, what's the plan? Are you able to couchsurf for a bit?
 
My mom kicked me out when I was 18. I know what your going thru although mine was forgiving at times and would let me crash at her house once in a while and let me do my laundry.

In retrospect, I am glad she did it. Found out who my friends were and weren't. Found out what I was capable of, and makes me appreciate the success I have had in my personal life thus far, no matter how menial it is.

Never really forgave her for it tho and as of right now I am ignoring her as she royally pissed me off this summer and I found out just where I stood in her mind. (it was behind her pet rabbits 8) )
 
I've never faced the prospect, fortunately. But I just wanted to express my admiration to those who were able to turn things around, or are trying to. I'm not sure I could cope with that. And dealing with addiction with a home is nightmare, I cant imagine what it would be like on the streets.
 
Some interesting diverse stuff here .
From what i can gather apart from myself , theirs no other posts from the U.K in here , this surprises me a bit as we have a big Homeless problem.

Maybe TDS is a more Usa dominated forum . Still it would be good if anyone has stories to share from the U.K
 
Sometimes I honestly think I have a guardian angel watching over me...

My Sister got wind of my situation and called me. Might have been facebook...not sure.

Anyway, she called me up and asked how I was doing...that's all she asked. I basically broke out into tears and admitted that I was a full blow heroin addict, that I just recently started the methadone program, that I am currently living out of my car, everything. She got my brother in law in on a conference line, and talked it over for quite a while and came to the conclusion that it would be best if they flew me out to British Columbia, switch to bupe instead of methadone, detox and go to a long term recovery center.

I'm still kind of shocked. It is as if my prayers were answered....funny thing is she is quite the fundamentalist Christian. Maybe God relayed the message this time...

I am going to have some questions to ask about what kind of treatment center would be best, but I am pretty busy atm...just wanted to check in. :D
 
Sometimes I honestly think I have a guardian angel watching over me...

My Sister got wind of my situation and called me. Might have been facebook...not sure.

Anyway, she called me up and asked how I was doing...that's all she asked. I basically broke out into tears and admitted that I was a full blow heroin addict, that I just recently started the methadone program, that I am currently living out of my car, everything. She got my brother in law in on a conference line, and talked it over for quite a while and came to the conclusion that it would be best if they flew me out to British Columbia, switch to bupe instead of methadone, detox and go to a long term recovery center.

I'm still kind of shocked. It is as if my prayers were answered....funny thing is she is quite the fundamentalist Christian. Maybe God relayed the message this time...

I am going to have some questions to ask about what kind of treatment center would be best, but I am pretty busy atm...just wanted to check in. :D

Thats some good shit man. You got a good sister too :D Mine helps me out a lot too. I mostly have had bad financial situations where she has bailed me out quick fast and in a hurry. Still paying her back for it but gosh, sure would have been real fucked without her as the bank was very unforgiving after overdraft fees went over 1000$. I dont even know how it really happened. Bad misappropriation of funds on my part.

Wish you the best of luck!
 
My sister bailed me out when I was homeless, but her sofa wasn't the best to sleep on, and i also ended up getting arrested at her house, there was a drug raid. Her fella took the charge as I was studying to be a lawyer at the time and didn't need a class a possession with intent to supply. I moved out not long after that and had to crash elsewhere incase it happened again. If I'm ever homeless again I'd be sorted though as she now has a 5 bedroomed house ;)
 
i'm 48 & i've been homeless several times. usually it was due to rebellion & addiction. now, i reside in a FEMA trailer because my home was wiped from the face of the earth. i can relate to many of the posts on this topic. about all i can say is to try to find enjoyment in the smallest things. smile. know that your situation is temporary. AND...don't let your prefrontal cortex atrophy.
 
drsci: that is wonderful news! As people have said in-thread-- in situations like yours you find out who your real friends are.

Congratulations, and best of luck with your recovery!

swmo: damn. Are they rebuilding, or just letting you rot like they did in NOLA?
 
Sometimes I honestly think I have a guardian angel watching over me...

My Sister got wind of my situation and called me. Might have been facebook...not sure.

Anyway, she called me up and asked how I was doing...that's all she asked. I basically broke out into tears and admitted that I was a full blow heroin addict, that I just recently started the methadone program, that I am currently living out of my car, everything. She got my brother in law in on a conference line, and talked it over for quite a while and came to the conclusion that it would be best if they flew me out to British Columbia, switch to bupe instead of methadone, detox and go to a long term recovery center.

I'm still kind of shocked. It is as if my prayers were answered....funny thing is she is quite the fundamentalist Christian. Maybe God relayed the message this time...

I am going to have some questions to ask about what kind of treatment center would be best, but I am pretty busy atm...just wanted to check in. :D

Wow! That's great news! Guardian angels rule!!
 
one thing money can't buy: poverty

hey all, interesting thread (awesome forum). i'm also surprised there aren't more posts for this topic... anyway, here's my bit:

during my 12-year alcoholic bender, i spent ~6 years on the streets, longest period ~14 months. i remember much of that time in painful detail, but i'll try to keep this brief (hmm). food/water wasn't an issue here (perth, australia) with three daily soup vans in the city and at least one daily in suburban hubs (freo, midland). even the cops were generally fine so long as i wasn't pissing in public, shouting at people, or passed out in a high-thoroughfare area.

money wasn't a problem for me due to my drug of choice. there are ways of getting free alcohol without stealing, e.g. the streets around nightclubs, pubs/bars/restaurants, and backpacker hostels often accumulate forests of half-empty alcoholic vessels, after midnight especially. street cleaners only remove them after 05:00. i had a couple of large plastic bottles which i filled and hid in the coolest/darkest nooks i could find, then poured this into smaller bottles for surreptitious consumption during the day. tobacco was also common litter.

when i stole, it wasn't from liquor stores but delis and supermarkets -- much laxer security, though the alcohol wasn't top shelf: mostly mouthwash or hand-sanitiser. rarely, i'd wake up after a blackout early in the morning, tremulous and desperate. the cleaners had taken all the half-empties, and no shops were open. worst-case scenario was metho (96% ethanol, tastes like ALIEN ARSE no matter how much you dilute it) stolen from a 24-hour service station.

shelter was initially a huge issue. i spent many early nights under the bottom staircase of parking lots which locked up overnight. i was kicked out a couple of times by nightwatchmen, but rotated and kept a low profile. then i became nocturnal, mastering the dismal art of orphaned-alcohol collection, and sleeping in open spaces which were peripherally monitored during the day. that ended with the discovery of isolated restaurants which had reverse-cycle air conditioning from the fridge/freezer (?), giving a stream of warmth running 24/7, usually out the back. a couple i found had their vents under and at the back of a ramped loading bay: paradise.

i spent most of the day in libraries reading, topping up in their toilets, careful not to black out and harass people for deep-and-meaningfuls. i also did a lot of walking and a lot of people-watching, taking mental notes with a deranged flaneur-bukowski philosophy. although i was 'committed' every 9-12 months for a few weeks, after either becoming too sick to drink (mostly pancreatitis) or slashing myself up, i tried not to exhaust hospitals, mental health services, drug agencies etc. by presenting without the intent to abstain, at least for a while. most of them gave up eventually, with good cause.

there is one free and open shelter here, but i never stayed for more than 8-12 hours -- having a temporary bed was no match for staving off DTs. in addition to a limit of one admission per week, 'regulars' were often rerouted to the east perth watch-house and charged with drunk and disorderly. if this happened on a friday, it meant all of saturday/sunday and most of monday in withdrawals waiting for court. this happened to me twice, and it was comprehensively inhumane; even a minimal stay (~20 hours) was bad enough, and caused a couple of wd-related seizures.

the biggest problem was aggressive and violent people. i learnt to keep to myself, keep quiet, avoid certain places at certain times, and scan everything for potential danger. i didn't trust other desperate people, and 'good samaritans' least of all. having said that, help in my city was and (afaik) still is available if you really want it. many cities/countries aren't so lucky! :|

my homelessness was a choice, born of hopelessness and suicidal ideation that predated my drinking. it was carried by the inertia of physical addiction and ever-greater heights of depravity. i never got to know anyone else's situation intimately, but the other alkies i often met seemed to be in the same boat. it was generally depression and/or trauma, but every competing dysfunction or root cause was rapidly and fully eclipsed by alcoholism itself. i didn't get to know the non-alcoholic homeless. we alkies stuck together, some druggies seemed to stick together, but long-term non-addicts (almost all seemed to have near-catatonic depression and/or schizophrenia) stayed fully isolated, either silent and omniscient or impossibly happy and omnipresent. there were probably temporarily homeless people, neither mentally ill nor addicted, looking for any way out -- any such people would have given me a very wide berth.

(yeah: i know 'alky' and 'druggy' are inadequate and undermining ways to categorise individuals of unique/complex histories and character, but for the sake of simplicity...)

it's a terrible way to exist, even in my country/city where things are uncommonly easy. it's not even a reasonable way to self-destruct. there are too many shameful and traumatic incidents to count, many of which haunt me today, the scars are deep. everyone thought only death, jail, or religion/spirituality could stop the cycle. it was none of these things, but that's another discussion. better late, eh!
 
Thanks for sharing your tale adinkra! The idea of the wet shelter is very slowly gaining traction in some areas. Do you think that being in a shelter where small amounts of alcohol, enough to keep you from getting WDs but not enough to get drunk, were handed out clinically, would help?
 
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