have drugs replaced sex as the #1 cultural taboo?

[hyroller]

I am wanting to gague peoples' thoughts on this as the idea has been circulating through my skull's grey matter for a little while now...

I never tried drugs until earlier this year, in my 20s, which to my understanding is later than most. My main motivation, at the time, was to take my mind off the perpetual irritation of 'men', as I'd rationalised that I could get fucked (every weekend, no less - and within reason) without having sex.

Obviously, given my reasons for taking drugs in the first place (as a kind of replacement from sexual interaction), I have been careful not to mix the two together. But it's a pretty complacent state, I mean.. being able to internalise my experiences in a the cerebral sense rather than the physical. Am I the only person who has appropriated one release for another, consciously or unconsciously?

My relatively brief time in the scene has shown me that most people are happy to do the same thing.. i.e., fuck themselves up on a weekly basis, perhaps to the point where sex isn't an option. But for many of them, sex is also a big part of the gameplan. I'm well aware my own approach isn't necessarily a healthy one, but for now at least it only seems to be affecting me.

So, what do people here think? Has the traditionally 'Aussie' modus operandi of getting blind drunk and picking up been replaced by a disenchanted bid to go hard on illicit substances? Obviously the former will never disappear, but maybe people who have done this sort of thing a bit longer will be able to offer some food for thought...

 

[yossarian_is_sane!]

I would certainly not say replaced. I think over the last 3 years, being the time I have been going out alot, I have seen a shift towards getting fucked up on pills & meth... I wouldn't say its a taboo because I've been surprised by the openness of it in mainstream youth culture.

 

[MDPVagrant]

I wouldn't say so, look at the general response in the U.S. to "gay marriage" recently. IMO sex is still king bugaboo.

 

[hyroller]

noone can deny that they are getting closer though.. people do not seem to get as heated/outraged at the prospect of open homosexuality/PDAs than they do at moves to legalise drug use or fund initiatives such as injecting rooms.

 

[lurkerguy]

Homosexuality is waaaaaaaaaaay more fucking taboo in my area than drugs.

You walk down the street doing homosexual PDAs with your boyfriend you are way more likely to get beat/harrassed then if your walking down the street smoking herb say.

Illegal drugs are worse legally, but culturally homosexuality is still more taboo.

 

[hyroller]

perhaps it is a demographic thing, then.

where i live, the 'druggies' and 'crackwhores' are subject to far more sneering and pittance than the gays.

or perhaps i don't pay attention to the ones who are anti-homosexual, simply because i have so many gay/bi/lesbian friends, it goes over my head.

on that note, it's still sad that people are so adamant about that kind of thing.

the main point of this post i guess was to see whether the act of having sex has been put on the backburner in favour of getting drug-fucked instead...

 

[Slateroz]

the main point of this post i guess was to see whether the act of having sex has been put on the backburner in favour of getting drug-fucked instead...

Well, I find that a huge part of the whole meth/pills experience is the incredible horniness that follows as the buzz comes to an end during the next day.

So for me...the idea of replacing sex with meth is not really an option...if my partner is not here to have 7-9hrs of sex with following a meth night...then I have been known to spend 6hrs jacking off in front of porn. Sad but true.

The sexual scenarios we come up with as horny fantasy during that time can be off the planet too.

So there's a big fat NO to that idea. lol

I think certain drugs could fuck you up to th point where sex is not an option...drinking until you pass out comes to mind. Not really a great idea.

If one were to NEED to get fucked up as a way of escaping something...I think seeing a counselor for a session or three might be a cheaper and safer option.

Better to sort this shit out than wrap it up in drugs and let it become the new fucked up you.

Trust me...weekend use will not stay "weekend use" if you are using it to patch up emotional problems./ Lets face it....the emotional problems are not "just weekend" problems are they?

Good luck.

 

[lil angel15]

Great post Slateroz with some very worthwhile advice.

 

[hyroller]

Well, I find that a huge part of the whole meth/pills experience is the incredible horniness that follows as the buzz comes to an end during the next day.

So for me...the idea of replacing sex with meth is not really an option...if my partner is not here to have 7-9hrs of sex with following a meth night...then I have been known to spend 6hrs jacking off in front of porn. Sad but true.

The sexual scenarios we come up with as horny fantasy during that time can be off the planet too.

So there's a big fat NO to that idea. lol

I think certain drugs could fuck you up to th point where sex is not an option...drinking until you pass out comes to mind. Not really a great idea.

If one were to NEED to get fucked up as a way of escaping something...I think seeing a counselor for a session or three might be a cheaper and safer option.

Better to sort this shit out than wrap it up in drugs and let it become the new fucked up you.

Trust me...weekend use will not stay "weekend use" if you are using it to patch up emotional problems./ Lets face it....the emotional problems are not "just weekend" problems are they?

Good luck.

each scenario is different.. i started taking hard drugs partly out of curiousity and partly to get my mind off other things. unfortunately, drugs tend to magnify reality rather than push it aside, so it's been realised that that is a moot point. i point blank refuse to use drugs during the week - sure i could, but damn, i didn't develop a smoking habit, or a drinking habit, so i'll be damned if it'll be this. i've had 'off weeks' thrown in there for good measure. there are ways to be 'sensible' in as much as one can when taking these kinds of risks. but cheers anyhow

on that note, it'd be nice to have a partner who was open to experimentation. i've heard magnificent things about mixing sex + drugs - it just hasn't happened for me, and isn't a dimension i'd introduce to a relationship straight off the bat.

 

[juice_soldier]

So for me...the idea of replacing sex with meth is not really an option...if my partner is not here to have 7-9hrs of sex with following a meth night...then I have been known to spend 6hrs jacking off in front of porn. Sad but true.

Amen to that! i think most of us have done that one...

 

[juice_soldier]

each scenario is different.. i started taking hard drugs partly out of curiousity and partly to get my mind off other things. unfortunately, drugs tend to magnify reality rather than push it aside, so it's been realised that that is a moot point. i point blank refuse to use drugs during the week - sure i could, but damn, i didn't develop a smoking habit, or a drinking habit, so i'll be damned if it'll be this. i've had 'off weeks' thrown in there for good measure. there are ways to be 'sensible' in as much as one can when taking these kinds of risks. but cheers anyhow

on that note, it'd be nice to have a partner who was open to experimentation. i've heard magnificent things about mixing sex + drugs - it just hasn't happened for me, and isn't a dimension i'd introduce to a relationship straight off the bat.

I figure another post is useful here..

All the things you talk about, not having a smoking/drinking habit - taking off weeks etc.

That stuff (the off week thing) is a way to justify and prove to yourself that you're not an addict/junkie.. I'm pretty sure most of us as 'n00bs' did this - i know i did. A week off doesn't really prove much - as i guarantee the week after you're so proud of yourself that you believe you deserve to go and get off your head again.

The fact of the matter is, you get addicted to the lifestyle. I went through all the things your talking about as a 15-18yo... I still don't smoke, and i'm not an alcoholic - but i sure as hell have a problem with using party drugs and being immersed in this lifestyle.

Drugs haven't taken over my desire for sex either - i feel release in all ways is needed, nor do i agree drugs amplify problems - coming down amplifies my problems, or at least, my awareness of them - that much is certain.

Perhaps some food for thought in regards to how you're taking the 'drug scene', being the world you have inevitably involved yourself, in.

 

[hyroller]

I figure another post is useful here..

All the things you talk about, not having a smoking/drinking habit - taking off weeks etc.

That stuff (the off week thing) is a way to justify and prove to yourself that you're not an addict/junkie.. I'm pretty sure most of us as 'n00bs' did this - i know i did. A week off doesn't really prove much - as i guarantee the week after you're so proud of yourself that you believe you deserve to go and get off your head again.

The fact of the matter is, you get addicted to the lifestyle. I went through all the things your talking about as a 15-18yo... I still don't smoke, and i'm not an alcoholic - but i sure as hell have a problem with using party drugs and being immersed in this lifestyle.

Drugs haven't taken over my desire for sex either - i feel release in all ways is needed, nor do i agree drugs amplify problems - coming down amplifies my problems, or at least, my awareness of them - that much is certain.

Perhaps some food for thought in regards to how you're taking the 'drug scene', being the world you have inevitably involved yourself, in.

yeah, don't think i haven't given this ample thought.

the weeks off has more to do with drugs losing their effect, to be honest. and not wanting to spend too much of my hard-earned cash on transient 'thrills'... lol

i dont spend a lot of time in the 'drug scene', per se. i filtered across from the gay scene (though not gay myself), and as most would know drugs are a huge part of the gay nightlife culture.

i'm not trying to justify myself here, and this thread is in no way intended to be focused upon my personal reasons for using recreational drugs. i drive a lot (say what you like) so the idea of getting utterly fucked off my face is just.. impossible. anyway. if anyone wants to direct any more comments about my lifestyle choices, best send them via PM ;-)

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keeping on topic about the cultural tendencies, however.. it is good to hear that there are still some meth-fuelled marathon sex sessions taking place, haha. all in good fun of course. i hear from the male perspective they're meant to be - let say - fairly intense... hehe. any women have anything to say about this? though, i'm sure i'll find out for myself eventually. well fingers crossed anyway. lol

 

[juice_soldier]

Perhaps this thread is better moved to health and living or SLR?

 

[hyroller]

possibly. though, there are a few lager louts out there who have begun substituting the old alcohol binge with... other chems. even festivals nowadays are arguably inlfiltrated with that sort of thing - whereas once these events were (in my opinion) far more concerned with people interacting and gettin' it on (though, this is probably more a comment on music in general, as music is traditionally fairly sexual in nature). is it all in my imagination or am i the only one who pays attention? again, possibly.. heh.

 

[realm]

too many variables in this situation. first of all it depends on which drug you're referring to. certain drugs have different taboos associated with them, but in a generalised way i would say drugs are way more taboo than sex although sex is still extremely taboo as well.

especially homosexual sex. in an unhealthy, prejudice sort of way. in general people make anything taboo if they dont understand it. its part of how we operate until you break that barrier down. only the people who break these barriers are real people to me, the rest are just following societies preset game plan for how to live a life most profitable to the government and most beneficial to society.

the government cant have people expanding their minds they need money hungry, war ready, brainwashed people to keep this place running. anyone who breaks the mold is an enemy and will be dealt with accordingly. change is bad to the government. change is a good thing, it means you're growing and learning. the government doesnt want you to grow and learn because then you might realize you're a drone.

after all business is business right? as long as they keep making the money and the same ways of making money keep working they will continue the vicious cycle until things crash and burn. history always repeats itself because we never learn from our mistakes, and more importantly we never learn from others mistakes.

 

[koggi]

Hyroller " if anyone wants to direct any more comments about my lifestyle choices, best send them via PM ;-)" No need to justify yourself here

 

[Prince Planet]

For me drugs, sex and ............. (insert favorite genera of music) are all intimately intertwined. Be it an alcohol fuelled, pissed individual, lounging missionary style on top of some unfortunate person with their favorite pub rock blasting in the background, through to extreme fetish sex, where by an individual can't get off unless their fetish "object" is present with a big blast of meth coursing through their veins. It's all normal where I'm sitting.

Humans love their altered states, and if you mix the lot ...... whatever your thing is, it all has the potential to be accepted or frowned upon depending on you, your peers and the various cultural norms and taboos of the day.

I think it's hard to separate or compartmentalize human behaviour into neat little packages where one takes priority over another. We're all different and individual behaviour changes through one's life history. What get's you going one day more than likely will change over time.

As far as taboos I'm still trying to come to grips with masterbation, I'm really struggling with finding the right letters on this keyboard.