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have been very scared of psychedelics since a bad trip?

dead93mau5

dead93mau5

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hello, I used to be comfortable with psychadelics. I had done mushrooms, lsd, and dmt before. About 8 psychedelic experiences when you put them all together. each time was a good experience.

however, on my last psychedelic experience, I had a very good/bad experience. I choose to take 7 hits of some of the most powerful lsd I had ever come across. (SpongeBob blotters lol)

20 mins into the trip, I thought I was dying during and started having the worst anxiety attack of my life, my friend had to take me out of the music festival we were at because I was at the point where I was going to just walk up to the nearest police officer and tell him everything and to please take me to the Emergency Room, so my friend takes me away from the music festival and decides the only safe place for me to be is at his house, on the way to driving me to his house I loose touch with what the hell is going, I completely forget that i'm in an acid trip and I begin to think this is the beginning of the afterlife, I believe that my friend is the transporter of souls and I am being taken to this entire new secret world/life that has existed all along. Like I'm being initiated into the realm of higher beings. Only certain people on planet earth are part of this club and you become initiated once it is your time, I thought me dying from all the drugs I was on was my initiation. I was completely confused about everything, and everything had never made more sense to me the entire time. I tried calling my parents during the middle of this trip because I thought they had set it up the whole time for me to die and become one with this new like higher realm. Good thing my friend took my phone away from me. At one point I realized that the person I loved most in this life was my dad. I then got lost in my mind about the idea of love and I felt that it should transcend to all human beings and I began to think about love between 2 men. Then I started telling my friend about this and it came across like I was having homoerotic thoughts to my friend. In reality I am straight and have been that way since I was born.

Basically, I enjoyed psychedelics in my past, but after that experience I have been scared to do them. There were many eye opening things that happened during this trip.

However the bad was...

- extreme anxiety/panic attack I had when I thought I was dying
- almost telling a police officer what was happening and possibly ruining my life because of it
- telling my friend homoerotic crap that made him question my sexuality im sure


Since this trip I have not been able to smoke weed because it gives me anxiety, and I did do lsd one time but I only took one dose because I was scared to do anymore.

How can I ease myself back into doing a psychedelic once in a while and having a powerful trip without having extreme anxiety or having crazy thoughts and telling other people about them and making myself look like a nutjob in the meantime, I am thinking possibly taking a Xanax before my trip starts myhelp?
 
dead93mau5 said:
hello, I used to be comfortable with psychadelics. I had done mushrooms, lsd, and dmt before. About 8 psychedelic experiences when you put them all together. each time was a good experience.

however, on my last psychedelic experience, I had a very good/bad experience. I choose to take 7 hits of some of the most powerful lsd I had ever come across. (SpongeBob blotters lol)

20 mins into the trip, I thought I was dying during and started having the worst anxiety attack of my life, my friend had to take me out of the music festival we were at because I was at the point where I was going to just walk up to the nearest police officer and tell him everything and to please take me to the Emergency Room, so my friend takes me away from the music festival and decides the only safe place for me to be is at his house, on the way to driving me to his house I loose touch with what the hell is going, I completely forget that i'm in an acid trip and I begin to think this is the beginning of the afterlife, I believe that my friend is the transporter of souls and I am being taken to this entire new secret world/life that has existed all along. Like I'm being initiated into the realm of higher beings. Only certain people on planet earth are part of this club and you become initiated once it is your time, I thought me dying from all the drugs I was on was my initiation. I was completely confused about everything, and everything had never made more sense to me the entire time. I tried calling my parents during the middle of this trip because I thought they had set it up the whole time for me to die and become one with this new like higher realm. Good thing my friend took my phone away from me. At one point I realized that the person I loved most in this life was my dad. I then got lost in my mind about the idea of love and I felt that it should transcend to all human beings and I began to think about love between 2 men. Then I started telling my friend about this and it came across like I was having homoerotic thoughts to my friend. In reality I am straight and have been that way since I was born.

Basically, I enjoyed psychedelics in my past, but after that experience I have been scared to do them. There were many eye opening things that happened during this trip.

However the bad was...

- extreme anxiety/panic attack I had when I thought I was dying
- almost telling a police officer what was happening and possibly ruining my life because of it
- telling my friend homoerotic crap that made him question my sexuality im sure


Since this trip I have not been able to smoke weed because it gives me anxiety, and I did do lsd one time but I only took one dose because I was scared to do anymore.

How can I ease myself back into doing a psychedelic once in a while and having a powerful trip without having extreme anxiety or having crazy thoughts and telling other people about them and making myself look like a nutjob in the meantime, I am thinking possibly taking a Xanax before my trip starts myhelp?
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Just don't treat it so much as a trip, more as a substance to imbibe for it's effects.
 
Xanax and benzos are supposed to reduce and/or mostly eliminate the effects of a psychedelic, thats why they're used as an "abort" If you can I'd keep one on hand.

If you're worried about looking like a nutjob then you're already instilling fear and negative thoughts before you trip which are going to be amplified considerably while tripping.. I take it to mean that youre deathly afraid of your friend thinking you're a homo or something like that.. I'd wager that he understands that you were tripping balls and if its that big of a problem to you just explain what you meant? sounds like you have some personal ego issues you need to attack and the drugs are bringing that out and you're uncomfortable with them.

I'll be honest with you, since I had my one super high dose mushroom trip years ago and had what some would consider a 'bad trip' I have been weary of the super high dose ego loss experiences myself. I've never to this day experienced the sheer terror I felt on that day. I know when you're that balls deep into a trip you can lack the ability to even tell yourself you're tripping and things will be okay. Ive had several trips afterwards but never one as extreme as that one.. basically the trip brought out the paranoia in me to the ultimate, one minute I was literally walking on a cloud, the next I was crippled with fear, all in an unpredictable instant.

Anyway I see bad trips like bad dreams; they'll probably keep reoccuring until you face them head on and ride them out. You've got to face your inner demons.. and like I said if you're finding yourself so anxious and paranoid about having a similar trip again, youre all the more likely to have another bad trip.

Only way to do it is to start tripping more and face shit head on.. I don't think there is any specific kind of answer anyone can give you.
 
What about yourself bothers you, or what negative thoughts have you choked down over the years? Rhetorical questions, of course. This one I can deem answerable. Before you ever had the 'bad trip,' did you have the, "oh man, what am I about to do to myself?" type of ideas racing through your head?
 
Wouldn't take Xanax or any other benzos before your trip, that'll just ruin it tbh. I've done it before and it's just a weird mix of intense stimulation and intense exhaustion...it's very uncomfortable. If I were you I would just have the Xanax handy in case things go bad, as a safety net if you will, but that's it.

I've had a couple bad trips these past couple of months, one of which included a rather traumatising psychotic break and I didn't think I'd ever be able to take psyches again after that. It was really eating at me and I realised the only way I could know for sure what simply to try it again...I took a very low dose (well, low compared to wht I usually take) so that I was sure I'd be able to stay in control and it went fine. Don't get me wrong, a lot of aspects of the previous psychosis came back, but I just kept tellig myself that I was in control and that I didn't have to let those thoughts/hallucinations in if I didn't want to; so I didn't. I think it's going to take me a very long time to be comfortable with really high doses again, but this definitely reassured me in the idea that I'll still be able to take psyches, just a bit more gently.
I really believe that's the way to do it. Just ease yourself in gently again, don't be overambitious and hope to have a massive reality-distorting trip again in a few weeks. It's normal to be wary around psyches after a bad trip but I like to think that's just the drug telling you you're trying too hard and going too fast - they're very powerful drugs and you gotta respect them. You'll only get to see their wonderful world if you integrate it slowly, you can't just barge in. :)
 
Keep benzos on hand. And from my experience opiates go great with mushrooms and/or LSD. It gives you complete comfort and doesn't really dull your trip like a benzo might.
 
This likely isn't what you want to hear, but if you are scared of and anxious about taking psychedelic drugs I don't think you shouldn't take them. Anxiety about anxiety can be crippling. The closest you can come to ensuring you won't freak out is to completely accept the possibility you'll freak out, if that makes sense.
 
Give it some time, heavy experiences like that should not be taken lightly. Once you feel you're ready again then you'll start becoming less and less anxious about tripping, though I wouldn't dive in at the deep end. Or maybe you should give easier psychedelics a try, something like 2C-C. Often you read about a psychedelic veteran returning to exploration and they decide on that or 4-Ho-MET.
 
Yeah it took me about a year and a half to touch psychedelics after a horrendous mushroom trip at a festival. The second time was a much lower dose and didn't sit comfortably with me either, so I have given up on shrooms. About half a year later I had acid and much, much better experiences (bar smoking weed with it). I even feel comfortable with acid at festivals now but that took a lot of humming and hawing, as that shroom night really laid it into me.

However I still have a bit of fear as I really want to try 4-Aco-DMT but I'm not sure if I could handle it or not.
 
^Even though 4-Aco might not be a prodrug for 4-HO-DMT and the experience is different, there's still going to be a lot of familiarity. (have not ever done shrooms, but scletoria are close enough right?)
 
Judging by many of the reports it's meant to be pretty much the same type of experience with the exception of the bodyload that shrooms can give you. I never had any issues on that front though. Maybe if I tread lightly and go for the 4-HO-MET which is meant to be a bit more recreational.

Scletoria as in the truffles?
 
You would need enough benzos to knock you unconscious to abort a trip, or even mellow out a very strong one.

Sexual orientation is biological. And a friend, especially one comfortable with their sexuality, would realize tripping makes you analyze reality, people, and makes you delusional and unable to communicate properly.

Become comfortable sober. Then associate tripping to good positive things. Its all about suggestibility, and you are thinking headfuck. Why not think happy, puffy, cloud melting. Music u like. Etc.

Then work your way up in small dosages. But there's no real need to take large dosages if it doesn't sit well with you. You can get just as much out of 1 blotter, as you have said you already were fine with.
 
Yeah truffles. IME the experience is actually quite different, but the pace of the trip/the idea of it is really shroom-like to me. Can't really put it in to better words, but I guess I'm trying to say that it can be rough on the mind the same way mushrooms (and LSD) can be. 4-HO-MET should be a familiar trip, but it lacks that roughness. It's a good way to reintroduce yourself to tripping
 
ParappaTheRapper said:
You would need enough benzos to knock you unconscious to abort a trip, or even mellow out a very strong one.
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I can't honestly speak from experience, but I would think they would be better than nothing. Ive heard many people talk about using them and read people saying they woudlnt trip without them on hand just in case so they must have some value. I'm under the impression that theyd calm your thinking patterns down, relieve anxiety and settle negative feedback loops and other negative effects that can spiral out of control. This would require some semblance of rational thought to remain though and I imagine if you're in so deep that you've lost touch with reality wholly that you probably wouldnt have the sense to even contemplate taking anything to settle your mind..

Dunno, there are countless reports of people using benzos to settle things down and/or calm their mind to be able to sleep after a long trip, as well as using them midtrip to get a grip on reality again.

I've considered picking up some etizolam to have just in case, because I recall times where even just mellowing out slightly would have been a god send.
 
I recently heard Rick Doblin talking on a podcast (JRE #371) in regards to situations like this where individuals have a freak out experience and are afraid to get back into psychedelics. I forget his exact words, but he was conveying the message that it's after those really intense and frightening trips that you especially need to use another psychedelic (in perhaps a more therapeutic setting, with a lesser dose) to integrate what you have gone through and make peace with it.
 
Integration is key for overcoming heavy experiences and another trip might put things in to perspective, but there's a bigger chance that you will just have another experience that you need to integrate somehow. That might lead to integration debt, and that will lead to more troubles down the line. I think there's a good case for working with your issues soberly and fitting <whatever> in to a daily perspective. Like I said, give it time and think about what went wrong or what you felt during the experience (in a none-too-dramatic way) and soon enough you'll feel like you're ready.

It's something I didn't really "get", but now that I do my mind feels so much more at ease
 
How would you go about integrating the fact that you ended up with severe anxiety? I mean there are any number of reasons he could have thought he was dying right? The biggest thing that stands out to me is his fear that his friend might think he was gay.
 
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