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Bupe Have a question for combination/potentiation help please

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Okay to make a long story short I was a heroin addict for years blah blah blah. I currently sniff about 2mg subutex twice a day. I recently fucked up my back so now I have an array of meds. I pretty much know what they will all do since I have taken everything and have a high tolerance to most pills. I recently got flexeril and tramadol and don't know too much about them. So all I want is a pretty good buzz and I am wondering suggestions for combos and roas, however I will no longer IV as I swore off heroin 2 years ago and luckily have no interest in it anymore although I fricken love Opana. Anyway, I have 8 mg subutexs, .5 klOnopins, flexeril, tramadol, soma, clonodine, and bus par which the last two are crap I am aware of, and I don't particularly like the soma anymore but if they can make a good combo then cool. I'm not trying to get fucked out of my mind would just like a little mood alteration every now and again. Thanks all for hopefully some good suggestions.
 
Tramadol won't have very much of an effect if you are on Suboxone. It's a weak opioid painkiller, comparable to codeine., that also acts like an anti-depressant.

Soma and klonopin are the only drugs really considered worthwhile relaxants there. They'll produce dependence and addiction however.

Clonidine is a good aid to help in opioid withdrawal (or sleep), it stops your body from repsoning to adrenaline. It lowers blood pressure and can cause fainting so be careful.

Flexeril is a muscle relaxant that some people like, some people don't. It's not considered to be recreational like Soma/klonopin.

Buspar is a silly anti-anxiety drug that is not very abusable at all.
 
my back is gone so if you are in pain i feel for you.. ive read on here somewhere you could probably search it the suboxone and tramadol play well together.. just search for it
 
I was on suboxone for a while and very much enjoyed throwing some benzo's in the mix. I know you didn't list it, but I think that amphetamines synergize with bupe very well too.

I'd go for a Subutex/Tramadol/Klonopin mix and maybe throw in a soma?
 
Actually that is funny that you mention the addies, I am already on 20mg a day. It's weird that you say it potentiates, that makes me curious because I always heard the opposite. I think since I am on a little klonopin and bupe daily, no matter what I will probably not get a buzz with what u have. Ha I wish I liked alcohol. Of course if I wanted to get fucked up I could just get some opanas, but really I just don't like abusing opiates to that extent anymore. After being addicted to Oxy for 10 years and h for 2, when I finally got clean off em, I just wasn't interested anymore, it was a weird blessing miracle from above, or wherever it came from. It's crazy and strange now, because every so often I will sniff an Opana if I'm really feeling the urge and then that's it, it doesn't turn into a bender or a full on using again relapse. Never in my life would I think I would be able to recreationally (once or month or less) use an opiate and not go directly back into full on use. And it's like when I do do it I don't really enjoy it, it is so strange and bizzare, since for half my life I lived breathed and ate opioids. I am very thankful though because at one point I didn't think I would make it to see 25. Tottalllyy went off onto a tangent there but anyway thanks for the suggestions, I guess there is no way of getting a good in between feeling for me, because now I hate the daily stone sober but also hate the extreme fucked up feeling
 
Tramadol won't have very much of an effect if you are on Suboxone. It's a weak opioid painkiller, comparable to codeine., that also acts like an anti-depressant.
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This is hit or miss, but some people, myself included, really enjoy taking 200-400mg Tramadol with my bupe/suboxone. It add a nice little extra buzz to it, although after doing it every day for a week, or even just three or four days, I started noticing more irritating GI side effects.

I recommend using some tramadol with your bupe if you'd like a little extra buzz though (some hate it some love it kinda thing). Try 200mg, don't go over 400mg if you can help it (to avoid seizure risk that is).

Clonidine will REALLY potentiates most opioids, although less bupe than other full agonists - still, highly recommend. I rarely run across this, so I have no tolerance to clonidine. Combining it with any opioid in my experience makes a HUGE difference. My personal favorite potentiator, next to tagamet and the classic diphen.

The soma and k-pins will just add a drunkish feeling, and could take away from the opioid buzz from the bupe. Some people love this combo though. Be cafeful when combing all these CNS depressants though. Start slow/low and work your way up. You'll be able to catch a good nod though, albeit that kind of like a drunkard.

I HATE flexeril. Not many people I know like it, but the odd duckling does. IMHE it adds nothing to the opioid/benzo experience. Likewise buspar doesn't do a damn thing in terms of getting you high.

Check this out:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/252569-The-Ultimate-Opiate-Potentiation-Thread?

and

http://opioids.com/opiates/index.html
 
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Thanks for the suggestion, I just took 150mg tram with my bupe and a little soma, oh and 1 clonodine. It's funny, because through my entire decade+ of opiate abuse I never realized clonodine was a POTENTIATOR until about a month ago, I always thought it was just a bp med used to ease withdrawl. Huh, it's funny you say you barely ever come across it, my bupe doctor always goes to write me a RX for clonodine every damn visit and I say DON'T BOTHER IT'S CRAP! I guess I have to mess around with dose because I run low blood pressure normally do whenever I take clonodine I just get really tired. I agree flexeril is shit, the only reason I take it is for my back and I just got 4 steroid injections so it helps with my painful tight muscles. I'm starting to feel a lil different so I guess I will know soon how the tram addition worked out, thanks again. Oh and I have read that thread on potentiation a bunch of times I'm just never sure of specific timing and dosing regarding the clonodine.
 
toothpastedog said:
The soma and k-pins will just add a drunkish feeling, and could take away from the opioid buzz from the bupe. Some people love this combo though. Be cafeful when combing all these CNS depressants though. Start slow/low and work your way up. You'll be able to catch a good nod though, albeit that kind of like a drunkard.
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Have to disagree here. I find clonazepam and bupe synergize rather well. It's the only opioid/benzo mix I've done because of bupe's decent theraupeutic index (it's supposed to be harder to OD on).
 
? Could not agree with you more about the kpin/opiate combo and synergy. I also find that MY body can handle almost any amount of that combo ( or now bupe/kpin ) without overdose. I remember when I was doing oc's back in the day I would mix large quantities and never had a problem. One day years ago I wasn't able to find oc's so I took probably about 6 2mg klonopin and then ended up finding and railing 2 80 oc's. Only that time was I a little more out of it then I liked as I couldn't drive etc. at one point I was prescribed 2mg x3 day kpin so I had quite a tolerance. I have a aprn friend that always says the only way to overdose on benzos alone is to choke on them ?
 
Well, that's why I posted that some people love it. As in you seem to love it. I know what you mean about the synergy point though. Although it doesn't work out that way for me, I know of many methadone and suboxone patients who are also addicted to k-pins for precisely that reason. Everyone's different, although some valid generalizations can certainly be made.

Mixing benzos and opioids can be a rather dangerous combo, unless you have a significant tolerance to them/have experience with both of them and know what you're doing (as both of you would certainly seem to). This mainly goes for people who are newer to the opioid/benzo game.

And yes, it is a lot harder to OD on suboxone than other opioids, but things get a bit trickier the more different drugs are thrown in the mix. I think it's fair to say: Proceed with caution. One shouldn't be too worried, but I would hope one knows what they're doing before they get in too deep.
 
I certainly agree that benzo/opiate combo can definitely be a dangerous mix especially for people with no experience, knowledge or tolerance. I'm surprised it doesn't do it for you but you ate right everyone has a completely different body chemistry/metabolism/threshold and tolerance. I know some people that have died from mixing a .5 Xanax with an oc 80, a habitual user too. I was required to take pharmacology classes, and the book knowledge along with having been a junkie scientist ?make me rest assured. I have taken so many crazy risky combos when I was in my teens and I never even had as much as a bad reaction, my friends thought I was crazy but I think I just have a naturally high threshold to tolerance to substances. The only two time I overdosed was from straight dope alone, and it was just bad shit and one was hot, that is what I dislike so much about streets, you can NEVER guarantee what you are getting.

You should watch the movie "Methadonia", it's an awesome documentary about people at a methadone clinic addicted to bars, it'd from the early nineties I believe it's fricken great.

Also unrelated, I find since I quit doing street drugs I get such a different mental and physical feeling from every pill now. My tolerance is still there but I feel a major change in brain chemistry from being clean off junk for over a year has made my mental state different each time I take the soma, kpin, etc. I used to do crazy amounts of bupe but now realize the less I do the more it affects me.

Any idea about when/how much clonodine to potentiate bupe? I had thought it only worked potentiating full agonists, heroin oxy etc. I get rxed .5mg clonodine, 1/2 2x daily if I need it for tapering off bupe but I always just thought it made me tired.
 
.1-.3mg clonidine works wonders for me, to answer your question.

I agree about the different feeling between street and pharmaceutical opioids.

And yea, I have seen Methadonia. TBH it certainly isn't my favorite opioid documentary, although it certainly is better than so much of the propoganda bullshit that's out there...
 
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What effect do you find clonidine has on bupe?

I tried it recently and didn't find it made the slightest difference to the effects of bupe.
 
more sedating and I feel a minor nod much more strongly than normally. When I used clonidine I also had used tragamet and diphen at that time, so maybe that made some sort of difference? I got significantly higher with the clonidine plus those other potentiators than just the potentiators alone though.
 
I'm one of those people that don't actually like combining klonopin with suboxone, or any other opiate, just because it takes away from that opiate feeling I like,(Opiates have always given me alot of energy, while feeling relaxed internally, if that makes any sense)
 
I used to be able to take a handfull of 2 mg kpins (of course I was rx'd a shitload at that point and took them very regularly, lol) and I wouldn't get extremely tired and just pass the f out. Now, it seems, after being off of them (by that I mean no longer prescribed) for a year, and now again getting them prescribed ( at .5 mg though not 2 ) they seem to just make me tired as shit. I have never had a high tolerance to a med to then stop taking it for a long period of time then begin taking it and have changed tolerance. And it isn't so much that my tolerance is changed, it is that the effect on my body/brain is different. I used to love, L O V E and that is saying it lightly, kpins. Now they just make me tired as shit even at 1 mg! I can't take the feel good dose I used to to get the effect I love because instead of getting any effect I just fall asleep. What is happening to me? Ha what a pain I can't get effed up on the benzo I used to love.
 
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