Has anyone experienced permanent Aspergers-syndrome like symptoms after drug use?

Your Aspie score: 173 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 32 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

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Interesting, I've always leaned very much on the Aspie side but never by this much, after living in a relationship for some time now it has made these traits even more pronounced when I was expecting that the two sides would have been a bit more balanced as a result. Maybe it's this very pronounced need for introvert activities that plays a part because atleast from my experience quite a large part of Asperger traits are sort of introverty.

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I was fascinated by how specific some of the things on that quiz were

Haha me too, especially the foot tapping one, it just made me think all kinds of theories for why that question was there in the first place, think it relates to OCD/Compulsive and ADHD/Perception traits.
 
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haha me too , i thought it was because I was so scared of my mother hearing me downstairs.



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Your Aspie score: 141 of 200


P.S to the Op i also though I had a normal childhood I did have a lot of friends/playmates but i came to the conclusion that as a kid there are no rules so abberant behaviour is allowed and even fun , it's with the strict rules of society that are imposed later and don't come naturally to people with asperger that you tend to hit your nose against the wall/ get into trouble/ into drugs
 
I had taken this weeks ago, it was a very fascinating test. It almost seemed like most of the questions were tailored to me.

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neversickanymore, thanks for posts they have been very insightful. i will talk about this bipolar 2 thing with my psychologist, i have so many diagnosis's at this point i don't know what to believe. i was looking into bipolar 2 and i do have many of the symptoms. i also read that bipolar 2 can cause the inability to function socially...sometimes permanently..
was wondering if you ever have any of the reactions i was describing to coke and stimulants that you also said you had, on caffeine? sometimes when i drink like 2 cups of coffee i get super paranoid, panicky and go kind of crazy, like thinking someone is going to break into my house and kill me.
would you say you've recovered? are able to function well again?
 
Hey blackchantilly.. I have recovered completely.. after hearing for two decades that i had a chemical imbalance in my brain and would need drugs to function "normally" for the rest of my life.. I am not on any drugs or psych medications.. and I feel great.. my depression and all its symptoms are GONE.. my social anxiety is gone.. Hey I was fortunate to see a dr on the board of JH who specializes ion BP and depression and he required a specific book, if this is what you are battling you should relate so much to this book you will have little doubt.. IMO BP 2 and social anxiety are linked woad, at least for me and many others.. yeah, just let myself remember how hard it gets.. FK... but hey no joke we are so similar as far as what you posted.. man just hang in there.. let me get you the name of the book and then you can read it and see if it applies to you.. yeah i know what.. oh and something like this is only permanent if you choose to leave it that way. Hey, if you are like me you have no idea how amazing you are<3
 
blackchantilly said:
Any input?

You betcha! :)
Having spent the last year working exclusively with children and adolescents with either Autism or Aspergers Syndrome, I am very intrigued by the test (thanks for posting it nsa!). Right now, however, I want to focus my energies on responding to the symptoms you say you are presenting with:

blackchantilly said:
[...]i seem to have progressively lost my ability to feel comfortable around people, to have a conversation, to make new friends, to understand social interaction in general, or to make eye contact with people. I tend to look at more "biologically" now, and just observe and think about human social interaction rather than participate in it. Dissociation perhaps?

I found the latter part of the above quote very interesting especially because, for me, this was the "evolutionary" course that my life took, too. I would probably attribute it to illicit drug use and psychiatric medication, too, but I cannot pretend that I did not notice the same time of cerebral and relational growth happening to lots of people around me, many of them my very close friends whom I knew, or still know, quite intimately. My inclination is to consider it in terms of the nature versus nurture concept, whereby 'nature' would be represented by how people tend to grow and develop naturally, and 'nurture' would represent the possible lasting impact of introducing psychoactive chemicals into our bodies.

I (and those aforementioned people in my life) found social interaction much more prevalent in our younger days. I believe that it was easier to be outgoing, sociable and extraverted then because at that age, to do so was just simpler. As a child, social constraints, social paradigms, and environmental/financial stressors have a lesser impact on one's ability to be open and care-free. Becoming cerebral is a product of development itself; our awareness of ourselves, of others, and of our environments becomes more acute and we in turn respond to that awareness with greater sensitivity. While I understand that what you are conveying is a stronger form of this process, I wanted to point out that the process exists in and of itself regardless.

Additionally, if I am reading your post correctly (and I hope that I am!), you began taking antidepressant medications at the age of 14? That is quite early in the developmental stages of your brain to have your brain chemistry tinkered with. I share a similar past; my parents, both of whom are clinical psychologists, put me on antidepressants when I was 10 years old after I became socially withdrawn as a result of being teased at school. I know now that they were doing what they thought was right, but I still have trouble looking past the tender age at which they decided to begin trying to "fix" my "broken" self with drugs. I also began self-medicating/recreationally experimenting with drugs when I was 15 years old - again, when my brain was still very plastic and responsive to chemical changes. That part of your past is important to this discussion; I'm glad you included those details.

What's missing from your self-disclosure, however, are some other things. Were there traumas you experienced that might have lead you to shy away from social interaction? Were there influential figures in your life, growing up, who may have cultivated in you the idea that you ought to be introverted? That you weren't normal? Weren't "worthy" of being like the rest of the people in your life? There is overlap, here, because my parents inadvertently cultivated that notion in my mind simply by placing me on psychiatric medications in the first place at such a young age. No one else I knew took pills to "feel right." I began to feel, as though by the hand of instinct itself, that I was an outcast. That I was different. That I was not like others, and that attempts to engage others had a high likelihood of failure. I credit my beginning to abuse drugs to those very feelings of human inadequacy - and, as I am sure that someone of your intellect understands, the combination of drug use and psychiatric meds during the developmental stages of your life will almost certainly have ugly consequences for your perceptions of self and others down the road.

As I read, re-read, and then read again the symptoms you describe, I realize a common thread running through them all. That thread is a deficit of being able to feel as though you have the capability itself to relate to other people. To be around others, to exchange words and ideas by means of conversation, to acquire new people in your life and to understand why and how other people seem to be able to do it so effortlessly appear to be collective symptoms of a singular problem - that of having developed stable self-identification. Wouldn't you agree? I came to this conclusion after examining my own history, comparing it with what I see in your description of self, and noticing the striking resemblance between the two.

A learned deficit in self-identification most certainly will produce symptoms such as social anxiety and reduced self-esteem! You even mentioned them explicitly:

blackchantilly said:
These social problems could be related to self-esteem or social anxiety i suppose...

I don't believe that that was by accident, by the way. The act of making eye contact with another person takes a certain degree of self-confidence. Those with autism/Aspergers with whom I have worked that have the most difficulty making eye contact are those with the lowest levels of self-confidence.

Each and every one of us is, by virtue of being human and socially adaptive, a product of the sum of our past experiences. Our morals, beliefs, attitudes and world-views are shaped by our development. In every way does it make more sense - in my opinion, at least - to examine the causes for your current issues from this perspective, rather than from the third option you suggested:

blackchantilly said:
...or maybe brain damage.

I want to go further, but I don't want to delve any deeper at the moment than I already have. I may be incorrect in all that I have said, too. But I want to help. In that vein, I wanted to ask you something. Why was it you were put on antidepressants in the first place? Did you suddenly become depressed? All that I can ascertain from your original post is that you somehow suddenly went from a care-free and extraverted youth to being on psychiatric medications. My impression is that something of significance had to have happened to facilitate the transition...

I'm glad that you want to come to this community and talk openly about this. I have no doubts that this has been a long-term and deeply disturbing issue for you.

Take care!

~ Vaya
 
Took the Test As I Said... Results Below

Your Aspie score: 67 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 163 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical


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BingeBoy said:
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YOU'RE a hunter!!!

*Runs away*

LOL :D
I, too, was curious about what was meant by "hunting." I read the test explanation provided in .pdf format at the end and for each respective group, these are the rationales behind so-called Hunting:

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Test Explanation said:
Aspie Hunting
This group contains passive hunting traits. One part of the traits is related to preferred habitats (e.g. slowly flowing water; caves; woods; liking mist or fog). Another part seems to be close-contact hunting traits (e.g. jumping over things; climbing; chasing animals; biting; enjoying spinning in circles; strong grip; strong hands; physical endurance; enjoying rodeo riders). Some other traits are related to sneaking (e.g. sneaking through the woods; sneaking up on animals; walking on toes) and general hunting tactics (e.g. mimicking animal sounds; digging; throwing small things; building traps; fascination for fire; sniffing)
Test Explanation said:
Neurotypical Hunting
The traits in this group are related to cooperative hunting. These traits are often described in terms of dysfunctions. Typical traits are recollections of environmental information (e.g. positions of things; scores in games; order of words, letters and digits; map reading) and passing on information to others (e.g. passing on messages; knowing left from right; dates and times of events; remembering appointments and events; reading clocks and calendars; carrying over information between contexts). Other traits are related to trading and exchange with others (e.g. calculating change from a purchase; knowing what to bring to appointments; remembering sequences of past events; remembering formulas; filling out forms).

NSA, once more, very nice addition to the conversation - Some of those questions were quite interesting. In fact, most of them were! :)

~ Vaya
 
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hey neversickanymore

thats awesome that you're doing well and were able to deal with your issues. i have no idea if i am bp 2, most of the time i just feel down and lazy and have no energy. my mind often feels like its clouded with dull static and i'm bored most of the time. i have no motivation and feel i cant think properly. i haven't really experienced any of the manic, intense energy and whatnot. i am interested in the book you mentioned, do you remember the name of it? i hope that i will be able to read it, i haven't been "able" to read for awhile, more like uninterested, cant get into a story, everything on this planet seems so pointless and flat. everything seems meaningless, futile. words are just symbols put together that in the end mean nothing. nothing anyone says means anything. life is trivial. nothing goes to my heart anymore if you know what i mean.

I personally think i will be on medications for a long time because, they are kind-of like a crutch for me, i'm afraid to stop taking them, because i dislike myself so much, i would rather have a chemically altered consciousnesses then be myself, whoever that is. myself is boring and dull.

You do sound like your a pretty amazing person :) but i think you're wrong in thinking i am
 
Im diagnosed with Aspergers and Ive been using since I was 13. I always did very well in school and got very obssesive about my various hobbies. I pretty much have all the symptoms.
 
Vaya,

thanks for your response. yeah i believe what your saying about being more able to socialize when your your younger is true. when your'e a kid your kind-of free and don't really have a care in the world. your surrounded by people your age everyday when you go to school for years and are able to form bonds with them. then you become an adult and everyone moves away for school and jobs, you don't have time anymore to see friends. at work i find it hard to meet people because you have to supposed to exhibit a certain degree of professionalism and focus on your work.

i started taking prozac when i was 13, my parents decided to send me to a counselor because i had a bad relationship with my mother and i was cutting. well i would say that perhaps the influential person in my life that made me feel there was something wrong with me was my mother. she had a traumatic childhood, and was very cold and distant, her main form of communicating with me was by yelling and putting me down. she blamed me for all the arguments we had and said that at the age of 13 i had changed, and all the arguments we had were my fault because something was wrong with me. My parents were divorced before i was one year old, so i lived with my mother and stepdad. I saw my father about once a year because he lived far away. I had the contrast of a very warm and loving biological father who would do anything for me, to a cold and angry mother. There is something else that i don't really feel comfortable talking about on a forum, mainly because i just think that its something i have just made up in my head somehow, i doubt the significance of it.

But anyways, thanks for your insight :) Definately some stuff to think about
 
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hey neversickanymore

thats awesome that you're doing well and were able to deal with your issues. i have no idea if i am bp 2, most of the time i just feel down and lazy and have no energy. my mind often feels like its clouded with dull static and i'm bored most of the time. i have no motivation and feel i cant think properly. i haven't really experienced any of the manic, intense energy and whatnot. i am interested in the book you mentioned, do you remember the name of it? i hope that i will be able to read it, i haven't been "able" to read for awhile, more like uninterested, cant get into a story, everything on this planet seems so pointless and flat. everything seems meaningless, futile. words are just symbols put together that in the end mean nothing. nothing anyone says means anything. life is trivial. nothing goes to my heart anymore if you know what i mean.

I personally think i will be on medications for a long time because, they are kind-of like a crutch for me, i'm afraid to stop taking them, because i dislike myself so much, i would rather have a chemically altered consciousnesses then be myself, whoever that is. myself is boring and dull.

You do sound like your a pretty amazing person :) but i think you're wrong in thinking i am

The thing with bipolar 2 is that it typically manifests itself in depression most of the time and typically a bipolar 2 person doesn't go into mania but will cycle into hypomania for periods.. some of us cycle, that is go from depression to hypomania very slowly... years in some cases.. Again this is not meant to replace professional advice but you reactions to the ssri also remind me of how a bipolar two may react. Also your reaction to cocaine and X reminds me of someone reaching true mania.. I have been looking for the name of that book... I will look again now.

http://www.bipolar-lives.com/bipolar-type-2.html

http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/bipolar-2-disorder

http://www.mjainsight.com.au/view?p...ten-missed&post_id=5452&cat=news-and-research

here is a little on hypomania, sound like what you experienced on amphetamines or some of the SSRIs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomania http://www.bipolardisordersymptoms.info/bipolar-symptoms/irritability.htm

Here is a little on mania or mania psychosis.. sound familiar to how you felt on the cocaine and x?? "In addition to mood disorders, persons may exhibit manic behaviour because of drug intoxication (notably stimulants, such as cocaine and methamphetamine), medication side effects (notably steroids" (like prednisone) "and SSRIs)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania

On the mania or stimulant induced mania you may have experienced.. Delusion of Persecutory: A false belief that the person is persecuted. Commonly, the person believes they are followed and watched. Peaking out the window blinds etc. http://www.bipolardisordersymptoms.info/bipolar-symptoms/psychosis-mania.htm

"most of the time i just feel down and lazy and have no energy. my mind often feels like its clouded with dull static and i'm bored most of the time. i have no motivation and feel i cant think properly" this seems like clear depression to me, but remember that Bipolar 2 can manifest itself in depression nearly all the time.. a person can go years in between having a brief "up" period... thats why it is so hard to diagnose.. but still I believe your reaction to the SSRI etc would suggest that you might seriously benefit from a mood stabilizer far more than the SSRIs but you will need to explore this with a professional.


SOme things to check out and think about and explore with your caregivers.. hope you are well.. let me know what you think.. I will look for the name of that book<3

I'm not saying to get off any medication just suggesting that you may be on the wrong ones and stating that I was able to get to the root of my problem so others with the correct help may be able to as well..

about the mixed diagnoses http://www.attention-disorder.com/ADHD.htm http://www.autism-help.org/comorbid-bipolar-disorder-autism.htm


yeah i still think your amazing=D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_bipolar_disorder
 
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neversickanymore,

wouldn't the psychosis or mania experienced while on coke or e just be caused by the drug itself and not necessarily by bipolar disorder? i thought it was pretty common for people to experience cocaine psychosis when taken in large amounts? i know a couple people who had become bipolar type 1 after taking drugs but they had like full, month long manic episodes.

i think im going to try to get some kindof stimulant percribed for my adhd symptoms. maybe thats a bad idea but i guess i will find out when i take it! i just feel the need to be mentally altered. im kind-of afraid of mood stabilizers because don't they give you kind-of a flat affect?

if you don't mind me asking, you say you aren't on medications anymore, do you still have depressive and manic episodes?
 
I do not seem to have severe enough depressive or hypomanic episodes for it to affect my life any more.. I do keep an eye on it and watch for the hypomanic symptoms as they feel good so are harder to spot than the depressive episodes which sound very much like what you are experiencing. compared to the way the SSRIs made me feel, agitated, crazy, mad, like i was looking out a window at my own life the mood stabilizers made me feel great and didn't have nearly the side effects of feeling "medicated." They brought me so that I felt really good, healthy, like the speed does but didn't bring me up into that hypomanic state that you describe.. It is possible to take medication for the bipolar 2 and safely take the adderall or other medication for the ADD. the combination of these meds may give you just what you need if you are in fact suffering from a combination of these conditions. No I have not felt anything close to the negative effects on mood stabilizers as i did on the SSRIs, the mood stabilizer just took away the depression in what seemed like a normalization and prevented me from cycling to high into the hypomania.. they don't flatline your mood at all they just level off some of the peaks and valleys, clearing your head and not whacking it out, if you are lucky. They try and keep you feeling good, not as good as the amphetamines but close. your mind may clear, your motivation return, your love of life or at least an interest in it may be born again, your hope may return.. all possible effects of exploring this avenue

As far as the psychoses associated with the stimulants, I don't know the answer to that and I don't think they know enough about it rite now to tell you for sure.. But I do believe that Bipolar prone people are much more likely to reach stimulant psychosis or stimulant mania.

a good combination might then be a mood stabilizer.. which I would have on board before the addition of the stimulants for the add. But now we are getting into decisions for you and your doctor.. I just wanted to make you aware of a possible theory as well as possible solutions to your struggle.. a bit to think about there.. hope you find the answer and I wonder why you keep saying you need to be on a medication when I am not suggesting that you don't need to be? Happy hunting and I hope you reach a place where you are happy to be=D
 
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dopemaster, based on what your about the aspergers symptoms you have i don't believe i have it. i was always kind-of a slacker in school and never really had any hobbies i was super into. i guess i just just have social symptoms similar to aspergers.
If i can ask you, how would you describe your day to day mindset in regards to people, friendships, relationships and just society in general?
 
Interesting topic! As a natural-born Aspie, I've experienced the exact opposite from drugs: increased social interaction, reduced social anxiety, etc.

Unlike most mental health disorders, Asperger's is a developmental disorder that is present from childhood (or possibly birth). It doesn't generally show up in adulthood. If damage occurs to the same parts of the brain that are defective in Asperger's, I imagine that could trigger similar symptoms though.

Also, Asperger's shares a LOT of symptoms with other conditions, such as OCD, ADD/ADHD and anxiety. Certain drugs can cause increased anxiety, paranoia, obsessive thoughts and inattentiveness in some people. If you quit or reduce the drugs, I imagine the symptoms will eventually fade. The most likely scenario is that drugs have brought out an underlying condition like anxiety or a tendency to be introverted.
 
Am I normal?, I have done <a bit of> Mephedrone, last time I did it was around 8 Months ago, doing it again this weekend o.o

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i dunno, if it wasn't the drugs that fucked me up it was very likely the inhalants, repeatedly banging my head against walls or playing the chocking game that did it. uhgg my brain is fucking dead.
 
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