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Has anyone ever tripped off E like buddy did? Or is spice and E just a harsh combo?

Jstone46

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Buddy purchased a whole shit ton of E last night along with a ton of friends. Buddy took 6 tabs of the course of about 7 hours. Buddy has never taken more than 2 tabs in one night before.

1) Buddy started off by popping a Blue Dragonfly Pokeball.
2) Buddy then an hour later started to feel the it kick in and then popped a Purple Dragonfly Pokeball.
- About an hour and a half after that, Buddy was rolling, not intensly like he has before when taking multiple at once, but really happy and speedy.
3) Buddy purchased 3 more tabs after he took the first 3. He got 3 Green Pacman Ghost Pokeballs. and popped one about an hour and a half after the last Purple Dragonfly.

It was about 2 hours after Buddy popped his last tab, no sign of a "way better roll off of the Green Pacmans"

4/5) It was about 11:00 and they were heading back to his friends house shortly, so I snorted a half and parachuted a half of a Green Pacman. Then right after popped a Green pacman orally.

Buddy headed back to his friends house and was there at about 11:45, the one he railed/parachuted was kicked in mildly, and he was starting to feel the one taken orally.

6) At about 12:15 Buddy decided to take his last one along with his friend (They had both taken the same exact amounts at the same time.) He and his friend popped their last Green Pacman Ghost Pokeball's and started watching some TV.

-The whole night Buddy was not rolling that hard, like he has before, just mildly rolling.

-----This is where the Trip Begins-----

It was about 1:00 now, 45 minutes after he popped his last Green with his buddy. They decided to go outside and smoke a couple bowls of Black Mamba Spice. We packed the first bowl of spice in a pipe and began to smoke it, feel more euphoric than before, deffinitely after the first bowl. Buddy packed one more bowl and let his 2 friends hit it first. Before the second kid was even done taking a hit, the Trip hit Buddy. He immediately and out of no where started staring off into an unknown reality, like it was a dream or something. It felt so real and so intense. But then about 15 seconds later, reality hit him again, and Buddy had realized "Holy fuck, I'm trippin" And as seconds went by it just kept creeping up more and more. By the time Buddy and his two friends were done with the second bowl, Buddy's friend Timmy (who had popped the same about of tabs, at the same time as Buddy) started to tell Buddy that he was starting to trip, and he just kept saying that he's starting to trip more and more just like Buddy was. Buddy knew that he wasn't alone and felt really relieved that someone else was feeling the same effect he was.

Buddy and Timmy walked in the house right after they were done smoking and they sat down on the couch along with a few other friends in the room who were sober for the most part. They both began to babble on & on about how they were feeling and Buddy was mostly quiet but just tripping out inside of his head and seeing the craziest hallucinations, like as if he were falling in and out of reality, and then when reality would hit again, he would be like "What the fuck! What was I just doing?" He felt as if he would just doze off while wide awake and eyes open and just start to trip out in another world seeing the weirdest hallucinations wether it was just staring at a wall and peoples faces around him started turning into more "cartoonish".

The rest of the night just consisted of 5 friends (only 2 who were trippin) just talking about what the fuck they were seeing and how this is possible. Timmy was describing that when he would look at Buddys face the shadows on his face made him look like two face and it looked so real to him. He was saying how everyones faces just looked so old and aged. He also mentioned how he thought a couple different kids were wearing glasses at one point.

Buddy remembers staring off at something or someone and just having the world around him change, and most of the time while it was changing he was just sitting there experiencing it, and staring. Then again he would pop back into reality and just be really fuckin stoned with hallucinations but controllably, but it seemed as if every now and then, atleast every 5-10 minutes he would just fall out, and not be in reality again. Buddy can't even put into words what he was seeing, just remembers it being so intense and random things would morph or pop up out of no where. It wasn't a bad trip.... He enjoyed it. But It wasn't something that was expected so once they started to come down after a couple hours, they were able to control their noise levels and hallucinations a little more.

Buddy & Timmy's jaw muscles were so big that when they bit down on their teeth, it would look like their faces were deformed because of the musscles being so worn out and big. Buddy's lips were so swollen, red, and huge, from the constant grinding of them and there was much pain coming from his lips.

Buddy & Timmy & Friend who was not rolling went out at about 3:30 to smoke some more spice, becauase they kinda wanted to have that intense feeling back again becaues they felt like they were now able to control it.
After the one big bowl they had left, Timmy started tripping again, but not as bad as before. Buddy had also started to feel it again but clearly less than what it was before. Deffinitely if they had more, they could have maybe reached that level again.... But the friend who was sober and smoked, only felt a light buzz & mild euphoria from the Spice.

They both can't remember too much of what happened, but say they can only picture it in their head and can't even put it into words, but Buddy and Timmy thought this was an outstanding experience and would love to try it again in better conditions. They're still not sure what exactly caused this trip though...

Other side notes:
-They kept having to ask eachother what we were just talking about a second ago because we would just lose our train of though.. Several times.
-Timmy & Buddy were convinced that their skin was turning red, but others seem not to think this.
-Buddy & Timmy were what seemed to be vibrating, like literally there whole bodies, vibrating when they first came in from the first session of spice and started to feel it. They noticed this first by seeing eachothers mouths vibrating so much and hitting the bottoms and tops of their teeth, then each person placed a hand on the others leg and felt there legs having this vibration also!
-Along with the vibrating, they felt like there bodies were 1000 degrees, but kept drinking water to stay hydrated. And along with this high temp + Vibrations, they felt like there hearts were beating WAY TOO abnormally fast, like actually racing as fast as they can go. Scary.
-Timmy & Buddy have both taken shrooms before, a maximum of 1/8 of shrooms a few times. They both agreed during the trip and after that this was WAY crazier and intense than shrooms. Along with how uncontrollable it felt at times & all the confusion and not remember what they had done a few minutes previous to what they had just done...

So what they wanna know is, how is this possible?! Was it just a chemical reaction between the Spice and mass amounts of MDMA since we had never taken even close to 6 in one night before? Was our E cut with some hallucinogen? Or has anyone experienced something even close to this before?
---Buddy & Timmy have experienced mild hallucinations on E before... This was 100% not just that.
 
yes, with 250mg bk-mdma, 100mg 1 1/2h later and 150mg 1h later.
my stomach had been full of food so everything metabolized slower, also i took 450mg dxm a day before.
had been rolling 10hours + 2 hours comedown which is a lot with methylone...

bk-mdma started changing the color of my environment with the color of music videos and in some point everything fucked over, the walls had 1000 visuals of screaming faces, demon girls showing all over my vision, various other screaming faces on my screen and everytime i watched the picture of an human he always looked awful, like eye rings, pickles and venes showing massively.
also i feeled that my body parts changed size, sometimes my teeths felt like break down or like they dissappeared, one time i smelled rotten eggs and i had the usual trippy thinking.

definitely crazy and it made me deal with it, still i d been annoyed by the visuals.

Sidenote: I ve HPPD from JWH-122, so this is probably kind of comparable.
 
yes, with 250mg bk-mdma, 100mg 1 1/2h later and 150mg 1h later.
my stomach had been full of food so everything metabolized slower, also i took 450mg dxm a day before.
had been rolling 10hours + 2 hours comedown which is a lot with methylone...

bk-mdma started changing the color of my environment with the color of music videos and in some point everything fucked over, the walls had 1000 visuals of screaming faces, demon girls showing all over my vision, various other screaming faces on my screen and everytime i watched the picture of an human he always looked awful, like eye rings, pickles and venes showing massively.
also i feeled that my body parts changed size, sometimes my teeths felt like break down or like they dissappeared, one time i smelled rotten eggs and i had the usual trippy thinking.

definitely crazy and it made me deal with it, still i d been annoyed by the visuals.

Sidenote: I ve HPPD from JWH-122, so this is probably kind of comparable.
Very interesting. I've taken 600mg in a single dose and while I was rolling very very hard, I was definitely not tripping.

I should also add that I have only rolled about 8 times, and that my tolerance is generally very low for most drugs.
 
a similar thing happened to me the 2nd time i rolled. I hadnt really rolled the first time, this was the first time i really felt it, and i took 4.5 pills. Obviously that was way too much and the last pills didnt do shit except fuck me.

I took the last .5 pill right before the end of the rave, and then we went straight to my friends car and we blazed a looot. I started completely tripping out, having no idea where i was, and hallucinating. It was alot like what you described.

I think it had something to do with the fact that it was the first time my body had ever been exposed to that much mdma, also I hadnt smoked weed for about a month before this incident, so my tolerance was nil. it was kinda fun, really crazy tho because i had never taken any other drugs at that point, and i had never tripped out like that or hallucinated before.

EDIT: jsut read this "They kept having to ask eachother what we were just talking about a second ago because we would just lose our train of though.. Several times." --thats EXACTLY what i was doing. the whole night i kept asking what sentance i had just started, what i was just talking about, and what i was just doing. my short term memory was ultimately fucked.

Also I realise i should tell you, this has never happened to me again in my E career. I have never taken 4.5 pills in a night tho, so maybe if I take that much it will happen again. I do still get super fucking high when i blaze on the comedown. like really high.
 
I'm not gonna lie... I haven't closely read any of this thread besides the original post; but, with that being said:

It seems to me that the spacing of your pills was a bit off. With MDMA, taking more after a certain dosage or after a certain amount of time will not make you roll harder. You're just going to be feeling stimulatory effects.


As far as the spice goes: I personally know quite a few people that have nothing but bad experiences with it. It just does not react well with some, so add in the massive amount of MDMA spread out over too long of a period... That would probably exacerbate any negative effects.
 
a similar thing happened to me the 2nd time i rolled. I hadnt really rolled the first time, this was the first time i really felt it, and i took 4.5 pills. Obviously that was way too much and the last pills didnt do shit except fuck me.

I took the last .5 pill right before the end of the rave, and then we went straight to my friends car and we blazed a looot. I started completely tripping out, having no idea where i was, and hallucinating. It was alot like what you described.

I think it had something to do with the fact that it was the first time my body had ever been exposed to that much mdma, also I hadnt smoked weed for about a month before this incident, so my tolerance was nil. it was kinda fun, really crazy tho because i had never taken any other drugs at that point, and i had never tripped out like that or hallucinated before.

EDIT: jsut read this "They kept having to ask eachother what we were just talking about a second ago because we would just lose our train of though.. Several times." --thats EXACTLY what i was doing. the whole night i kept asking what sentance i had just started, what i was just talking about, and what i was just doing. my short term memory was ultimately fucked.

Also I realise i should tell you, this has never happened to me again in my E career. I have never taken 4.5 pills in a night tho, so maybe if I take that much it will happen again. I do still get super fucking high when i blaze on the comedown. like really high.

Yeah man, Iv'e been doing a lot of research recently just cause Iv'e been trying to figure out what the fuck happened to them. Supposedly theres been a lot of incidents where people either smoking weed or spice on the comedown of E makes them Hallucinate fucking balls. It's insane, cause it was harder hallucinations than any shroom trip ever, and online people are comparing certain incidents to LSD and DMT trips.. Buddy has never tried those, but can kind of relate after saturday night. Like it wasn't just hallucinations where you look at something and see something different and then your eyes adjust and it goes away and you just laugh at it.. It was like, your mind thinks of something, for instance at one part everything was a cartoon and Buddy tried adjusting his eyes thinking it would work the same as shrooms, but it didnt. The hallucinations of everyone being and talking like a cartoon would just stay like that even if Buddy were to get up and walk around... It was unbelievabley the craziest thing ever.
 
Also, online I was looking up there is this new chemical in Spice called AM-2201 instead of the "regular" spice chemical in most spices called JWH-018. JWH is now illegal, so spice manufacteres are putting in this new AM chemical. This new chemical is making people trip out and hallucinate for hours and people are having the same experiences Buddy reported. They're also getting the EXACT same side effects as Buddy got, ie: Body & Jaw vibrating, heart rate beating faster then ever (Literally, 130/minute), worst short term memory ever (having to ask what they were saying previously), DISSASOCIATION (buddy got that big time), and many more. So Buddy may have accidentally gotten the new chemical in his last batch of Spice on saturday night.

But for future reference...
Spice with AM-2201 in it, is a crazy hallucinogenic that can be bought at smoke shops now or online, and it's legal. Be fucking safe with that shit, 1 bowl is more that enough.
 
Sounds like Buddy and Timmy took some piperazines that night. This would explain the feeling that they weren't coming up and wanting to take more and more and then BAM, hallucinations and shit.

Lucky for Buddy and Timmy, they survived their glutenous and irresponsible use of pills that night.

Buddy and Timmy should be more careful next time.
 
I am surprised to read some of the responses on this thread. I had to join just because of it.

It sounds like you encountered ( or your friend ) some pretty good rolls from what I can tell. When I was rolling quite a bit back in my time we started with 3 each usually - ( great pills btw, which are my handle ) and then eat another 1 or 2 later if we had the money.

The best tripped out nystigmus I have ever had came off of these GreenBicMan's. Some people called them Spacemen as well. There were many kinds, the best being the yellow, pure white and green.

Me and my buddy saw the SAME IDENTICAL HALLUCINATION of a lego man forming out of these condo's on the gulf of mexico ( tripping on the beach ). We didn't say anything and just turned to each other and went "Holy Shit!". Next thing out of both of our mouths was "Did you see that lego man"?... Still talk about it to this day.. and when I tell random people about it they just think I am insane.

Anyway, the glasses you saw ( which I have also seen ), and everything about your story means you had a sweet MDA/MDMA combo, IMO. You can only be so lucky in life. Enjoy it while you have it.

Also, do a better job of spacing your rolls out, unlike me. I have done it 2x in 2 years and I mean I really probably will never see myself doing it more than 2 times a year ever again in my life. We were probably doing it 3-4x a month for a solid 1-2 years. My friend(s) really weren't affected as much as I was. Everyone is different though.

Have fun
 
Ok so I just rolled on some purple dragonflies yesterday (btw NEVER get these they fucking suck and make you sick). I only took two because it was my first time thizzin. About two or so hours into the high, I smoked an herbal incense called diablo (a type of spice), which i have smoked numerous times. Diablo definitely made the high 10x better! It's just that the comedown is really horrible (mixing the two drugs together) and I am feeling depressed and irritable afterwards. It might just be due to the poor quality of the pokeballs. I don't really know. I'm rollin' again next weekend though, so I'll see how it goes!
 
there's a combo sub-thread in PD about combining psychs with synthetic cannabinoids, here's a post about combining MDMA and "spice"

Sorry if this is off-topic, but after the first time I had ever rolled, as I was coming down, I had a SINGLE hit of a legal smoking blend called "Space". I went from feeling nearly sober to having fully-encompassing, 3D geometric patterns, swirling and twisting about in my field of vision, that began transforming themselves into the singularity that was before the big bang. Meticulously, I re-lived the entire creation of the universe, from the forming of stars, planets from their gases, and moons from the leftover waste to unicellular bacteria multiply and become multicellular organisms, beginning the first steps of biological evolution. Then, after I realised I had arrived at the present, faces began to appear in my field of vision in a dream-like sequence of events where I would see my friend, then his sister and my parents repeatedly. I saw their faces and knew them as their relation to me, but I could not recall any of their names; none of the associations I made or had were communicated through internal monologue in any type of language. I also heard my friend ask the same three questions over and over every few seconds, as if he were on playback. Soon after this stage in the trip I regained mobility (I had apparently fallen to the floor) and stood up. Eventually I arrived to my friend's bedroom, where I slowly regained the ability to think and process what the hell had just happened. Odd, to say the least, especially since MDMA isn't a true psychedelic. I suppose it could have been cut with something else, however I had no symptoms aside from the steretypical effects of MDMA intoxication.

it seems syth. cannabinoids really amp up a trip, and in the post above, send you in a full blown trip, link to that thread below

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/610201-Combo-Subthread-Psychedelics-amp-Synthetic-Cannabinoids
 
I had the same effects as buddy. My hallucinations were horrible it was a bad trip for me, right when I smoked 2 blunts of spice 7 in the morning (I didn't sleep) it was just bad. Things were popping out the ground. I thought my friends were turning into animals. But as soon as i threw up, everything felt so much better. I had to throw up two times out the car. I also snorted some ecstasy and I was drinking and smoking more earlier. Since I didn't eat at all it hit a lot harder.
 
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