There are two trains of thought on this, and I have to personally disagree. Problem drinking and alcohol abuse are different from advanced or true alcoholism. You can't really give drugs to an advanced alcoholic and expect them to stay off alcohol.
This is also the rhetoric from AA; "once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic". Yes, I appreciate a lot of people don't understand or like AA, but we can't deny their principles have led to the sobriety of millions of people.
If someone is developing alcoholism, which is a progressive disease, drugs can potentially arrest the process, but there is also a point of no return.
I guess I may just be splitting hairs here, but there's a distinction to me which matches my own life experience.
Damn, that's too bad... I'd asked in here at one point how you'd been doing. Yeah, that's what sucks about coke. People get this sorta urge to "sober up" but not even entirely sober up but just feel good. Some of the nicest people I've known were complete DICKS as soon as they got into some coke though, especially drunk. Alcohol is only going to increase your appetite for it, and for anything that could be considered a drug really... Which to me would even include internet porn.
Lol, I don't think I ever even saw this reply from Jabberwocky. I was so fucked up on Phenibut and other drugs when I wrote that, that I can't even tell what I was trying to even say, but clearly there was a misunderstanding lol.
I'd said: "You can replace alcohol with anything that appeals to you or can grab hold of you with addiction." I think I was trying to say you can replace alcohol with any substance, but you will probably just get addicted to that substance. I had to reformat that sentence because the typos were horrible.
Then I mention "Cocaine habits are expensive as fuck though. I quit booze with kratom, but my drug of choice is ultimately cannabis" I wasn't even correct there. I quit booze because I felt like it and replaced it with weed or maybe some Gabapentin if I'm going to something that resembles a party or gathering.
But in a way, I did start to drink less because of kratom, and because I couldn't feel the effects the day after drinking or while drunk. So I just traded addictions there which I guess is what I was trying to warn about. I was an extremely heavy drinker in the past though, and would say I was addicted at one point, as I'd start to have cravings for it really bad. I have to say I'm very lucky I was able to escape the clutches of both alcohol and Phenibut. The latter is the most addicting drug I've ever used, and that includes quite a bit of opioids. Generally speaking, I'd never even suggest someone try it a single time. Truly, not even once.
Anyway, hoping you can do better, or at the very least are planning to try and do better after this idea not really working... There really was never any way for this to work out, and it seems people knew that it would lead to exactly this. People saying "good luck, you'll end up doing both anyway"
I don't like cocaine myself, or alcohol (anymore), but I've never had firsthand experience mixing them, just watching friends mix. Only drug I'd ever say
should replace alcohol is cannabis. But then, cannabis might make some people crave other drugs. Poly-addicts that tends to be the case. You get them high they're likely to want something else. I think Neversickanymore said it best: "If you get addicted to coke, then every time you drink you will crave coke and every time you do coke you will crave alcohol."
Regardless, if someone's got an issue with both drugs, even attempting to come off with just weed is still trading addictions, even if weed isn't the worst. People can still let it mess up their lives though getting stoned all day, so really the only real solution is rehab... Interestingly enough, rehabs around my area, where weed is legal allow you to use cannabis, and when I found that out, I thought that was pretty fucked up, probably not even legal. A friend who was recovering from cocaine/heroin was allowed to use vape carts, but at least THC doesn't make him wanna do other drugs.
Alcohol... different story, and I just had to watch him flush his being "clean" down the toilet. Even if it was coke/heroin, he shouldn't be drinking, because it makes him want coke, or in this case he'd snorted some Adderall. A very serious girlfriend had just left him and suddenly he was talking about doing drugs. Prior to this, I'd seen him drink and not crave shit, but I think it's a bit too late and he'll end up back on his old habits again, at least with cocaine.
What pisses me off the most is that his older brother stole an Adderall from his girlfriend secretly (she found out anyway) this one night shortly after the breakup and because he wanted to "stay up and have a good time with his brother" he lets him snort some Adderall. Then even afterwards, he starts asking "can I get a few Adderall? I get my refill on [insert date] so I gotchu." He's back with this girl, but then some nights after this had happened he offers HER Adderall instead, and now she's gonna leave him again. She'd kinda been forced away because of his criminal record, but I can tell she's getting sick of him.
he would always be high on ecstasy pills a decade straight. He was like twitching, incoherent, in his own world. Back then we didn't know much about this thing called MDMA other than something you may take at a rave, but we could not believe it could do that to a person.
