i agree with all you are saying about this idea but dont tell op he will always crave alcohol. i was an alcoholic for years. i quit 6 years ago and i never crave a drink. im not 100% sober and do crave being altered from time to time but the whole thought of that drug and how sick it made me discusts me to the point that its never an option. i will add i make vanila extract so i always have vodak in the house. im not doubting this is the case for yourself and many others but we are all different.
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Has anyone ever given up alcohol by switching to cocaine?
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Jabberwocky
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After 5 years I've gone ahead and made the assumption the changes are permanent. Things like psychosis can make permanent brain alterations. Alcoholism probably has a hand in this as well.
Some drugs simply effect me differently now, in a negative way.
I enjoyed LSD several more times afterward a couple of years, but have basically retired from psychedelics, I'm not like allergic to shit, but it's a little more complicated than that.
TheUltimateFixx
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Well long-term, do you wanna fuck your liver or your ticker? Take your pick.
skipjames
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Back in the days I have made an ass of myself in various occasions due to excessive binge drinking during weekends (pretty much like the OP I guess) but I have never been an alcoholic ( I´m mostly an oxy person myself, now trying to take a break) hence I don t have any real first hand experience, but do you think is doable doing coke without drinking? Heck, even I drink when I do coke , and I find booze the most poisonous and boring drug ever!
But yeah maybe is weak old me, I don t even like coke that much and here I am wondering whether I should buy a gram , just because ...pretty insidious drug indeed
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skipjames
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I ve done it without drinking ( but with benzos, other scary drug) at...work. Pretty bad idea considering I m a professor. The student loved my classes though
But seriously, word to the wise when you mix work and coke is really the beginning of the end .This morning I just received a call from a friend DESPERATE to have the number of the man cos she was unable to function at work...scary shit indeed
ItsclearlyFake
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Interesting I've never found with coke the need to take a downer at the end of it in comparison to the rest of stims (with the exception of 2-fma also which I was able to eve fall asleep on it lol).
But its true also that I would do very little in comparison to most people (precisely because of the reason of not wanting to drink) I would do just one line (small one) and call it a night.
In my short experience with cocaine, I am starting to suspect a lot of the abuse of it comes with the assumption that chasing the 10 minute intense peak it has its all about it, when it fact there is still 2-3 next very interesting hours of increased energy, relaxation and confidence levels (but they are more subtle). This was what was interesting for me. Not the 10minute peak.
If cocaine its just that 10 minute peak, then yeah I understand people wanting to do lines and lines and obviously the impairing need to drink alcohol at the same time to not go nuts off the stimulation.
(Also, once you hit the drink these subtler effects I was talking about are just lost because of the numbing effect of alcohol unfortunately)
My liver is in healing mode at the moment after 20 odd years of drinking. So ticker would have to be the answer
Ok guys, it doesn't work. To be fair I had the idea on paper and nothing else.
Had a bump tonight at about 8pm and it was strong stuff. Felt edgy and energetic and I tanned the non alcoholic beer. it took till about 11pm till I decided to have a beer or 2.
On the 3rd drink decided to have another bump and a 4th and 5th beer. Felt pretty good.
It seems it is not possible to just do coke and non alcoholic drinks. Need to risk the well known dangers of mixing them ( which everyone seems to do)
Had a bump tonight at about 8pm and it was strong stuff. Felt edgy and energetic and I tanned the non alcoholic beer. it took till about 11pm till I decided to have a beer or 2.
On the 3rd drink decided to have another bump and a 4th and 5th beer. Felt pretty good.
It seems it is not possible to just do coke and non alcoholic drinks. Need to risk the well known dangers of mixing them ( which everyone seems to do)
Jabberwocky
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Nope, but back in 1998 I gave up alcohol for ecstasy and I stayed sober for 5 years. When I stop taking the ecstasy started drinking again.
When I was taking MDMA regularly, I didn't even have any craving for alcohol whatsoever.
Fast forward to 2012, and when. I went to the doctor to quit drinking. I needed 2 mg of Klonopin and 15 mg of Valium three times a day just to keep from having withdrawal.
Jabberwocky
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You do realize that drinking alcohol and doing cocaine really fucks your liver up, right?
I mean alcohol and cocaine actually reacting your body to create a special substance that get you higher and lasts a really long time, and is hell on your liver to metabolize.
I didn't know it was so bad but I've only ever done coke 5 or 6 times. Not overly keen to try it again tbh.
Jabberwocky
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If you really want to quit drinking, call your doctor and get on a decent benzo, like Librium or Valium.
Get Sober off of alcohol. Then take management of your life while the benzo is keeping you from having withdrawal.
If you have to stay on Valium or Librium for 6 months or a year, It's better than continuing to drink.
Jabberwocky
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Well that's a stupid ass assumption.
If The brain is so plastic that it can rewire itself and move functions from one area of the brain to another in people that are involved in car accidents and suffer physical traumatic brain injury, I'm pretty sure that the damage, if any, to your brain is not permanent.
Grow some balls and a positive fucking attitude.
Thanks for posting in. Careful
Jabberwocky
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I love your gung ho attitude, but I question if you've ever experienced schizophrenia or psychosis.
And I'm not talking about a cute little temporary 4th day meth binge psychosis.
Psychosis can create permanent neurological changes. Google it.
Plus, encouraging people who have experienced psychosis to "grow some balls and keep doing drugs" is horrible advice.
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brokedownpalace10
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Hmmm. So, you are saying that any neurological damage is recoverable from?
BourbonMac
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You can replace alcohol with anything that appeals your or can grab hold of you with addiction. Cocaine habits are expensive as fuck though. I quit booze with kratom, but my drug of choice is ultimately cannabis. There was a period between 19-21 where I'd get paranoid unless I got drunk first, but now I can just get smacked
Jabberwocky
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There are two trains of thought on this, and I have to personally disagree. Problem drinking and alcohol abuse are different from advanced or true alcoholism. You can't really give drugs to an advanced alcoholic and expect them to stay off alcohol.
This is also the rhetoric from AA; "once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic". Yes, I appreciate a lot of people don't understand or like AA, but we can't deny their principles have led to the sobriety of millions of people.
If someone is developing alcoholism, which is a progressive disease, drugs can potentially arrest the process, but there is also a point of no return.
I guess I may just be splitting hairs here, but there's a distinction to me which matches my own life experience.