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Has anyone been prescribed both adderall and ritalin @ the same time?

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like adderall for mornings, and a ritalin xr for rest of day starting noonish?

i know there are some properties of each that work "against" eachother... but didn't know if it was like completely unheard of for a dr to prescribe both at the same time...

if this was asked of a doc, would they think you were completely nuts or is it somewhat acceptable?

thanks!
 
I was given 30x10mg of Dexedrine SR, 30x20mg D-Methylphenidate and 30x20mg of Adderal XR the month I started taking stimulants. My doctor basically told me to cycle between all three and see what I thought was best. Also, no, not crazy; just a bit unorthodox.
 
If I was a doctor I would only prescribe them multiple C II drugs. 8)

Try talking to a doctor, we aren't doctors. We can't really help you get drugs from a doctor, as that requires a prescription pad that we either 1) don't have, or 2) long since emptied. ;)
 
Yeah, I know the wording of my post is weird, but what I am really trying to accomplish is just see if others here were prescribed both at once.

Not just as a test, as the first reply indicated.... but ongoing...

The reason I need to know first before talking to my doc is a little complicated... but I will be discussing it with him tomorrow.

Thanks! :)
 
Yeah it is not unheard of, never myself only instant adderal, but I was on valiums for sleep and xanax for panic attacks, which I thought was insane and sold all of both of them for my love opiates
 
well, i can see how you were on the other things...

but i think that's different from being adderall and ritalin at the same time... it's two drugs that treat the same condition... but work in different ways (sometimes opposite ways)...

i always thought it was the same reason docs didn't like to presecribe adderall with SSRIs...?

so have you personally been prescribed both -- or are you just saying you've heard of it happening before?

thanks!
 
Unless your doc. recommends it of his own volition, don't count on it. Asking for both ritalin and adderall is not the same as saying "hey can I try adderall" or "hey can I try ritalin", and will not be received warmly from the doc.

Doctors prescribe adderall with SSRI's all the time.. infact, most smart doctors do this for people with ADHD who have depression because the SSRI allows them to use a lower dose of adderall.. assuming of course that your MD isn't waiting for depression to subside before starting on a stim for ADHD which may/may not be related to the depression.

Ritalin and adderall would be synergistic or one would partially block the effects of the other, if anything. They aren't "not supposed to be prescribed together".
 
I was on Addy XR 30 mg (morning) and 10 mg methylphenidate (after lunch). I must say I didn't really enjoy it much. The MPH perked me up after lunch, but I hate the way it makes me feel so dodgy and paranoid. But that's me...
And no, it's not unheard of at all, my 8-year-old son was on a similar cocktail last year. I also know multiple ADHD patients my age on a long-acting and short-acting regimen.
 
my 8-year-old son was on a similar cocktail last year

I'm not going to tell you how to parent, but don't you think that maybe you should wait until your son is older before you start pumping him full of hard psychostimulants which will seriously fuck up his brain chemistry as he grows older :\
 
If you have a legit need for them it isn't that uncommon to have multiple prescriptions for stims ( is it?..or am I out there?).


I have Ritalin, Dexadrine and modafinil prescriptions right now. I do alternate them for the most part. They just work better if you use one for a while (2-4 weeks) and then switch. That's what I do

Although I have to admit I get carried away at times. The most intense rush I've ever had was from a combo of ritalin, dexadrine and dilaudid. Bar anything else I've tried...which is a fair bit.
 
I had trouble paying attention in school and got in trouble a lot too when I was 6 - 10 years old and everyone thought it was ADHD. But turns out it was just that I was a 6 years old and just like every other child, didn't want to sit still. That's not ADHD, it's called being a child and it's normal. Do you expect to put a 6 year old kid in school and have them sit perfectly still and listen attentively to the teacher rambling on about coloring? Did you ever stop to think that maybe he has trouble paying attention because he's 6? And that maybe he gets into trouble because he runs around when he isn't supposed to, because he's 6? When I was 6 I was a child and like to run around outside and play. Just like I'm sure you did when you were 6. My teachers all thought I had ADHD (along with 75% of the kids at my school), because during recess I would climb trees and run around and play with friends. Well guess what, I did all that stuff because I was 6 years old. And I've got news for you, if you think that the grades you get when you're 6 years old will ever matter, ever, literally, ever, you should do some thinking. The point of kindergarden is to begin socializing children, it's not to force them into rigorous academic study. If the kid isn't listening to the teacher and is being disrespectful, it's probably because the kid isn't being disciplined when the kid is out of line at home. As much as I hate to say this, kids are like puppies. You have to socialize them early (which is the primary function of kindergarden, because c'mon, when your son applies to college, no one is going to ask to see his finger paintings from when he was 6) and teach them how to interact with other people. If they are out of line or misbehaving, chalk it up to parenting before you chalk it up to something that's out of your control like adhd. Your kid doesn't have ADHD. Your kid is 6 years old and is acting exactly like he should.. but don't be so quick to scapegoat ADHD, that's such a cop-out. Look at the environment he's growing up in. I'm sure mom isn't disciplining him properly and isn't teaching him that he can't act out to strangers, no matter what. I mean, you even said the mom lived with him, and I'm assuming she's working full time, which means less time for him. Not a good situation. Also I don't really think signs of ADHD emerge until 12 or so.
 
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yeah there is no problem with it. Same thing happen to be accept I asked my parents if I should take the medicine, they said It was up to me, so I didn't. It turned out I was challenged enough with public schools in america, go figure. But even in middle college taking college classes whle in high school, it is a new program, I still wasn't pushed hard enough. Sometimes you really dont need amphetamines sometimes you do. See how your kids reacts but I would rather wait until the kid can make the rational choice himself. And be careful LOTS of people get misdiagnosed as add/adhd and it is really biplolar, so look out
 
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yeah I have bipolar disorder, and lean towards the manic side, so when I was finally 18 I decided to get the drugs from the doctor and see if they would help, Prozac valium and adderall. I LOST MY MIND haha oh my god. Apperently if you are bipolar and tend to be manic prozac makes you stay manic. I didn't sleep for 4 days, and no it wasn't addys I had done cocaine before that, Just really lost my mind I don't feel like going into it but lets just say running into a fence flipping over it and crying for no reason as a hit myself come into play



so adderall may help him but ask the doc about bipolar, and until they figure it out dont like him take ssri's
 
yeah I feel you people always want me to tell them about what happened to me, like people that went to my high school and they don't seem to get that I dont like talking about one of the worst times in my life
 
Amphetamines + methylphenidate?

IIRC amphetamine is a dopamine-noradrenaline-serotonin releaser and, especially in the case of dexedrine, can act as a dopamine noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor to a lesser extent.
Methylphenidate is a well known exclusive dopamine-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor with pharmacological actions closer to those of cocaine.

So to make it simple, they both act as multipliers to one another, on the long run i can se some good risks of addiction and amphetamine toxicity symptoms (psychosis, depression, irritability, insomnia, anxiety, obsessive behaviours...) depending on the dose.

If i was a instructed doctor with a minimum sense of resposability towards my patients, i would be worried to prescribe such a cocktail ESPECIALLY TO A KID!
Obviously the immediate results are stronger (and probably thats what most doctos care about) but the risk of long term side effects and withdrawal symptoms are also much higher.

Ritalin is already something not to play with when speaking of treating kids with ADHD and should be prescribed in responsable doses. I would never prescribe amphetamine to a boy younger than 12, and lets not talk about adding ritalin to that.
 
Cool Bipolar runs in your family. It's common practice not to give amphetamines or any kind of stimulants to people with bipolar because it puts their mania through the roof and can throw them off the deep end. Your doctor should know this, which leads me to believe that either your doctor doesn't know about your family history, or that he does and he's incompetent. YOU DO NOT GIVE AMPHETAMINES TO PEOPLE WITH BIPOLAR, IT MAKES IT WORSE.


Great, so you just proved the point I made in an above post.. that he's not being taken care of properly at his mothers home. What a coincidence that I was able to guess that before I even knew the information you just posted.


I don't know why in the hell you randomly came up with the idea that his behavior must be ADHD, but it sounds like it's something else entirely. Pissing your pants for attention is not adhd. Getting jealous when someone plays with his sister is not ADHD. I'm going to tell you the straight truth because I hope it helps you, but you seem pretty set in your ignorance. Your son sounds like (given the situations described above) he's in line to have a developmental disorder, maybe ODD or bipolar down the road. What you're describing is not ADHD, it's something else entirely, and the circumstances you described make a non-adhd diagnoses incredibly probable.. especially given your long family history of mental illness. What your son needs (preferably very soon) is therapy. Not psychostimulants. If you want to help turn your sons life into a very miserable thing, go ahead and throw amphetamines at him when he's 8. You're 21, you're young, you obviously do drugs and think that drugs solve problems. And you'd be right, sometimes they do help. But in the case of your son, they won't, I would be my life on that. Don't be an idiot, please, and don't ruin your sons life even more. It sounds like he's already starting to develop a personality disorder of some sort, and it sure as hell isn't ADHD. Stimulants should only be used on people who are healthy, and do not have a family history of mental illness's that can be exacerbated by stimulants.

Spend some time doing research on pub med about bipolar and the interactions amphetamines have with it. Forget the whole my 6 year old kid has ADHD because he can't sit still and gets in trouble at school... that's complete fucking bullshit. Look at your family history, look at the living conditions your son has grown up in thus far, and go talk to a therapist with him, but PLEASE do not think amphetamines will fix the problem he already has, because they will make it worse, and then your son will end up worse off than you are.




uh, obviously that's what you meant. I don't think anyone interpretted your post as saying that the parents were self medicating the kid with their own adderall prescription. But my point was that doctors (especially GP's), don't ever get the whole story and often throw meds to people that should not ever take them. A smart doctor would ask about family history of mental illness, cardiac diseases, blood pressure problems, would order an EKG before starting stimulant therapy, etc. Apparently your doctor failed to do that.


Whatever, all bullshit aside, please do not give your son adderall, or any form of stimulants. You're going to hurt him in the long run and you can bet every ounce of yourself that if he takes stims (especially at that age), he's going to be so much more worse off than he already is, and it will be your fault for allowing it because he'll be 8 and won't be able to make informed decisions.
 
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Well I have to say I would seriously consider very carefuly.

I work in the field (I missed the age of the involved) and they have pet scans and functional MRI's etc scans these days that are finding some things that I find a bit disturbing about the whole thing. Think about it. It has only been the last 50 years or so that we have even had a lot of 'chemical cures'.

What I found disturbing was the structural changes that happens with drugs (and lots of oher things...like trauma) which seem to be at least semi-permanent. This stuy was actually looking at brains of people who where smoking marijuanna.

Most drugs seem to have the capacity to change the actual physical structure of the brain which could have lifelong effects. I'm sure stimulants in children fit into that catgory. I have a daughter a little older than that and there is no way I'd but her on them to be honest.

I've had soo much trouble with various things all my life that I think some people should just never start messing with brain chemistry.
 
I'm not going to tell you how to parent, but don't you think that maybe you should wait until your son is older before you start pumping him full of hard psychostimulants which will seriously fuck up his brain chemistry as he grows older :\

If you're not going to tell me how to parent, then why did you even make this post? I didn't "pump him full of drugs" I just kept an open mind and even though I was very uncomfortable with the idea, decided to try stimulants.
If you must know, the drugs didn't help him very much and I didn't like the way it affected his appetite, so I pulled him off them. He was only on stims for about a year.
 
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