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Harm Minimisation Or Social Chatter, What Is Bluelight Really For?

I think people get what they want out of BL. At first, it's all info, then it's social for many. And that's fine - the info will always be there if you want it. I know that maybe, oooh, only 5% of Aus social regulars ever look at the Health forum, and as much as I would like this to change, I acknowledge that people will pay Health a visit when they have a question. That's as much as I can hope for.
BTW I can't believe BT put his own picture up back there ;)
EDIT: I can't believe I said 5% - more like 0.5% now that I think about it, and that's counting myself
[ 19 March 2002: Message edited by: babydoc_vic ]
 
Nez u crack me up!
(another social post)
but i'll make up for it with sum drug talk.
i saw some guys on pills the other night and they looked pretty fucked up and leaped towards me with open sweaty arms and tried to chat me up. If they had only read the harm minimisation threads it could have been avoided. GO Harm Minimisation!!!
 
Just because there are less posts in the HM areas, doesn't mean people aren't learning. They are still reading, and maybe they aren't posting coz their questions are answered already. Bluelight, and its related links, has by far the most drug information available you could ever want. People like BT and others are constantly posting up new info as it comes to hand. Overdrive.com used to have two counters next to the titles of each thread, one for posts within the thread and one for the people who opened the thread. The number who opened was usually double, or more, than the ones who posted. I'd say the same goes for here. :) As long as the info is going into people heads, then Bluelight is doing its job, and following its mission.
Social is just an added bonus. :)
DJC*
 
most the people who frequently use the social section are most likely VERY WELL educated in harm reduction(as they have been on B/L for ages)
unfortunately, that's what i call 'BL syndrome'... people think that because they know quite a bit about HM that it no longer applies to them.
tho, as a whole BL-ers are leaps and bounds ahead of the average pill munchers/drug whore's :)
M
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Simple make it compulsory for social users to post in the drug discussion forum, according to drug discussion guidelines. (he he i don't care i post in both ;) )
(Rather totalitarian but who cares there's no freedom of speech on this site, or so i've been told ;) .... All hail the benevolent General! Krull!)
 
Tabernacle that wouldn't work. I hardly ever post in drug discussion but I read it a couple of times a week to see what's new.
People could accuse me of only using bluelight for social purposes, but how does anyone know that I read drug discussion if I never feel the need to post there? There's only so much you can say about ecstacy.
The thing is I probably wouldn't check the drug discussion as often as I do if I didn't come here for the social forum as often as I do. And I think there are a lot of people like that. That's why we can't just take the social forums away.
 
Hey Vietnam Vet - Why do you call yourself that ?
I'm just curious.... I Couldn't find an answer in the nickname thread
BCR
 
Big Upyerself Vietvet.
A discussion page cannot survive without people to constantly challenge the status quo and chant down it's little babylon.
Personally, I came here for social/events, and I think that there's a wealth of information to be absorbed from this alone.
I find that the Drug Discussion pages are all full of shit, and that more harm minimisation occurs through the social side of bluelight. (By being around people who know what they're doing you can absorb information better than if you go out and seek it, without having a friend to hold your hand, or test your pills. :)
 
Number86 posted:
I find that the Drug Discussion pages are all full of shit, and that more harm minimisation occurs through the social side of bluelight.
Dear Number86,
Get fucked.
Yours sincerely,
BigTrancer
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Prepare yourselves for a potential enslaught of misinformed babble.
-breathes-
My opinion on this matter is that it's not always necessary to ask questions to be learning - as is often the case in the Drug Discussion and Health forums. I've posted in Health maybe twice, but that doesn't mean I don't read it loads, it just means that other people ask the questions I was thinking. Ditto for Drug Discussion.
The thing about Social is that that's exactly what it is - social. It's not a myriad of information, but it doesn't have to be. That's why it's cornered off way down the bottom of the forums page.
If someone was to do a search of my posts, they'd find that the majority of them are in Social and Meetups. Unforuntately, that doesn't reflect my daily BL lurking accurately in the least. Social isn't detracting from my learning about HM, as I'm sure it's not for many other people here.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, yanno?
And since we're talking about this, it's not only Social you should be pointing the finger at. What have the Visual Arts forums got to do with HM (unless people are writing poetry about it or something, I dunno)? What has Spirituality got to do with HM? And really, what's Legal got to do with HM?
Diddly-squat, but they're all part of the culture as a whole. Can't we just accept that bluelight isn't going to be about Harm Minimisation ALL THE DAMN TIME?
 
^^^^^
pretty damn acurate!
on that note, i would like to commend aus drug discussion on being an awesome recourse, and the effort put in by those who do care.
ps. back on topic, i tend to agree that social serves a purpose, to keep people coming back, and interested. if bluelight was purely drug discussion, then i can't imagine that it would have nearly as many people giving input, and therefore would have much less input, and fewer people sharing there experiences and knowledge. regardless of the content of social, the harm minimisation aspect is always going to be prevalent, because there is always going to be more stupid questions from people wanting to know if they can rail weed.
 
*lol*
Well as far as I'm concerned. I hardly post in Drug Discussion, but that's because 99.95% of my questions are already answered there and I don't need to ask them. :)
Bluelight rocks!
-plaz out-
 
By the way...
For those who don't believe me that Social is covering up the HM message of bluelight, I present the following opinions posted on the web:
interesting comments coming from a bluelighter.
Posted by zoee on March 18, 2002, 5:21 pm , in reply to "hk flyer for TT recovery"
(BT: IP address deleted)
harm minimisation? come on they can talk.
--Previous Message--
: just thought u might like to read this link..
: when designing ur flyers.
:
: http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=29&t=003336
: i haven't actually seen the flyer btw. Just
: thought u'd b interested in some feedback.
Which she later qualified on IRC in a conversation with me (external comments removed):
BigTrancer> hey zoee
<BigTrancer> "harm minimisation? come on they can talk.
<BigTrancer> ^ pretty lame
<zoee> lol
<BigTrancer> LOL
<BigTrancer> you can pick on anything you like about BL but we do HM better than anyone
<BigTrancer> :D
<zoee> its true
<zoee> all i can say is personally from what ive seen at bl meets and parties, u guys take more drugs then the whole of kandy put together
People are becoming confused between the Bluelight message and the behaviour of people who post there. Now the message should be HM, but the real message that gets across is that BL people are drug pigs, implying that BL is about excessive drug use. Is that the image of BL that YOU want to present?
BigTrancer :)
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anyone who goes to Bluelight Social for advice is a fool. A fool elva!
Now the message should be HM, but the real message that gets across is that BL people are drug pigs, implying that BL is about excessive drug use. Is that the image of BL that YOU want to present?
No. But unfortunately it's true. Bluelight is a funny thing. It serves as a mechanism to promote HM and yet, at the same time inadvertantly promotes the use of drugs. And isn't HM best served if drugs aren't taken at all?
so it's a double edge sword, on one hand we learn how to minimise neuro toxity etc, and on the other we try new drugs and combinations that normally we wouldn't even consider if it weren't for the 'research' that provided on bluelight.
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but BT who are we presenting this image to, other than bluelighters? we know about HM and yes we take heaps of drugs but we're the only ones who get to thinking "wow bluelighters are really drug fucked" and we know better. its not like we're wandering the streets with bluelight t-shirts on while tripping off our faces, presenting a bad image to the world.if people want to go off on their drugs thats their buisness, and wether they check out the HM forums is up to them. if theyre only here for social theyd leave if it was removed and when they fuck themselves up itd be their own fault, but if theyve got half a brain they check out the HM forums as well as using social. basically noones got any right to dictate what other people do or dont do in their time, theres no real reason to get rid of the social forums so why worry about it.
 
I'm with BT on this one...
For Number86 to say that "the drug discussion forums are full of shit".....Fuck me this is most stupidest ill-informed comment I've ever read on bluelight.....
Even more so when aimed at the OZ drug forum which is moderated by the most respected BigTrancer.....
Number86 - Shame..Shame..Shame....
 
Ah. I hate it when I hafta qualify something I said 'cos my wording was way too strong.
I'll try again: (deep breath)
Personally, I don't get anything useful out of drug discussions on Bluelight. I find Bluelight far more useful from the point of view that it has introduced me to a whole bunch of people who know more about drugs than I do, who I can talk to in real life. This is my defence of Social/Events pages to vietnam vet, who asked the question.
I'm sorry if offended you BT.
 
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