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Hardcore morality of todays society, will be our downfall.

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moonyham

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I have been pondering this for a while, its something that I see almost every day and its all over the news. Whether you notice it or not, todays society is too moral. You have christians and so on saying 'oh the world is so full of sin these days, everyone is having sex and stealing and doing drugs, its terrible' but in all truth, we are far far more moral than ever before, and this is going to cause our society to collapse.

These days, if someone is born with retardations/fucked up they are kept alive, people who cant even walk and rely on electric wheel chairs who have drool running down there chin and there head all over the place are kept alive, and we give treatment to people with HIV/AIDS so they live even longer to spread there filthy fucking disease.

How does this benefit us as a society? It doesnt. Keeping someone with AIDS alive even longer is detrimental to society, because they, most of the time, are going to infect another 'fit' person. Keeping retards alive who cant even talk or move properly is only going to cause a mother to not be able to work because they require so much care, and on top of that the retard is going to be consuming valuable resources that could be otherwise going to someone who would provide something useful to society.

We have dole/benefit/handouts to keep people who cant even feed themselves alive and we let people who compulsively shoplift/steal go and get free meals and housing for a few months then let them go and steal more.

This HARDCORE MORALITY is what is killing our society. I mean, have people never heard of Darwin? you know, 'Survival of the fittest'. We act like everyone and anyone is an equal person, that everyone should be given the same chance as the next person no matter what their circumstances, no matter how much of a cancer they are on society.

You know what letting these WEAK people live causes? It lets them breed and bring up more WEAK people. It lets them bring others down to their level. It brings SOCIETY down to their level. It means more resources are WASTED on these pieces of filth, and those resources arent always renewable. Those WASTED resources cause pollution that kills us, kills our fish and foodsources so FIT people die aswell.

If you cant provide anything to society, then why should you be apart of it? Why should we let you live? What's your purpose, to just rot away, sucking up our fucking resources?

It makes me fucking SICK to see people who just sit on a fucking rotten mattress all day, drinking alcohol, and living on handouts to fund this filthy garbage lifestyle. Ive seen this sort of shit first hand. I know it goes on, all the time. I know several of my mates family members who just fuck around and drink and waste away on handouts, and plan too for the rest of their miserable lives.

So what do you guys think? Do you think our society is TOO MORAL, or if not, why? I strongly believe that artificially negating 'Survival of the fittest' is detrimental to society and will be and is its greatest downfall.
 
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people with HIV/AIDS so they live even longer to spread there filthy fucking disease.
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i stopped reading here

you may have been pondering this for a while, but you should start again from zero

you have been going the wrong way

you took the door that had a filthy fucking "selfish" sign on it

look for the door that says "take 'empathy' with you when entering"
 
Isn't this (ironically) a moral argument?

And isn't compassion, and loving thy neighbor a wonderful evolutionary adaptation?
 
No its not a wonderful evolutionary adaption if its going to wipe us out :\

I dont have anything personal against someone just because they have AIDS, but really, as sad as it is, they have a disease which needs to be eradicated just as epidemic diseases before it, there is really only one way to get rid of it, and thats kill its hosts or let them die.

Its sad but, you know whats even sadder? Letting these people live to infect others, and these people who are infecting others wouldnt do so if we had just done this eradication in the first place before it got out of hand. Wouldnt you agree?

This is the exact problem this hardcore morality has caused, to let people live with diseases that will, no matter how much education, still keep spreading till it wipes us as a species out. We are going to have to eradicate it eventually, why are we letting it become a bigger problem before we do this? :|


You hate on me for wanting to end a life that is going to end more than just its own due to the disease. You are the one supporting more deaths than there needs to be, not me. So where do you get off.
 
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You seem to be oblivious of the fact that others live outside of you.

As said above, EMPATHY. This is not moral. This is human.

Again, is it not a moral argument to say that one ought to die to save the many?
 
moonyham
do you know about the guy with the funny moustache who caused the death of 60 000 000 people?

look at what you wrote
change a very few words
keep the rest
compare
 
I look at it like this:

You see in front of you a window, there is a person in a small little prison like cell. This man is psychotic, he wants to kill at all costs, its his lifes goal and he is standing there with an M-16 and several full mags. You have 2 buttons in front of you: one will release him into a busy mall, the other will instantly kill him. Which button do you press? I mean, you are directly killing him, or you can decide to let him live with the knowledge that he IS going to go and kill others.

Empathy is a load of shit, its a matter of what is beneficial to our society. HIV(or gun wielding maniacs) are not and thus need to be eliminated. Actually, gun wielding maniacs are beneficial to an extent because they lower the population without lasting generational effects, but i dunno if i should bother getting into that.
 
So what do you guys think?
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1. I don't think what you call fitness is what makes people successful, in most cases. It is a lot easier for a person born into a rich family in the USA to "contribute" to society than it is for a person born in Africa. Some people already have advantages when they are born because of the way the system is set up.

2. I don't think you can compare surviving in nature and being successful in society like you are doing. They are not the same. That mentality (that the best, most fit win) is a lot more detrimental to society than mentally retarded people are.

Imagine there are hundreds of people in Africa who have the potential to be the next Einstein or M.L.K. But they are stuck working on farms, just growing enough food to barely survive. According to you, these people are not worth anything, because they don't contribute anything. Then you say the fact this person doesn't contribute much is evidence that they don't deserve an equal chance. But maybe the reason they don't contribute is because they have never been given a fair chance to do it?

The person drinking on the mattress might have an unresolved mental illness. How do you know that if the illness was cured, they wouldn't go on to do something great?

3. I think the things you list are very minor problems compared to other problems that we have. I think uncontrolled greed and consumerism, infinite growth capitalism and not paying attention to history are the things that will cause our society to collapse. Actually, I think the collapse has already started...

4. If I had HIV, I would only have sex with other HIV carriers. Would I still need to be exterminated?
 
As an aside, I wonder if there are dating services for HIV positive people.
 
^ There are.

Moonyham, I don't know why you posted this if you don't want to accept that most people will disagree with you. Perhaps you think you are writing revolutionary things, when in fact you remind me of people I knew back in High School, and hope they've grown out of their phases :).
 
Some of the ideas that you have laid out in your post remind me of Hitler and the Nazi party, Moonyham. Perhaps I, too, should not be allowed to live any longer because I am defective and have bipolar disorder, never mind that I may be capable of doing great things in my life to help others?

I do not see how today's society is moral; I see the opposite. Few people that I come in contact with on a daily basis seem to have manners or patience and they do not seem to care much about anyone apart from themselves. I live in the USA, so perhaps I see more of this than you do. My country reminds me of Rome right before it fell. Decadent, greedy, wasteful.

Do you want me to kill your grandparents for you or any other older relatives? They are likely too old to make any contribution to society and are sucking up resources. They should be terminated then, by your line of thinking, yes?
 
OK, in the spirit of compromise, we'll start systematically executing defective people, starting with all the moral equivalents of nazis.

Of course, the major problem with is once we've solved the nazi problem, there will be no one left to execute all the other defective unwanteds.

Damn, how are we gonna figure this out...





Oh and seriously, OP what you're proposing is extreme hardcore morality. So in a sense you're right, it's killing us.
 
moonyham said:
I look at it like this:

Empathy is a load of shit, its a matter of what is beneficial to our society. HIV(or gun wielding maniacs) are not and thus need to be eliminated. Actually, gun wielding maniacs are beneficial to an extent because they lower the population without lasting generational effects, but i dunno if i should bother getting into that.
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you don't think there is something wrong with comparing a mass murderer to an HIV patient?

people don't choose to get HIV, and they get it for all sorts of reasons--why is it wrong to let them live the best life possible by giving them treatment? i think the idea that everyone with HIV/AIDS runs around trying to give their disease to unknowing partners is absurd.

you act like people are statistics, not human beings...
 
Don't worry.

You're kind of half-way to understanding the way the world works (I think the next step is overcoming your denial).

You recognize that some human practice is detrimental and unsustainable, and you recognize this is "working against" the natural tendency for the fittest INDIVIDUALS to survive.

You must realise that we will not "beat" nature, to beating ourselves.
It is not something to be concerned about, any of this practice that YOU feel is "bad" for humanity.

If it truly, objectively is bad for humanity, the practice will destroy itself, not humanity as a whole.

You seem to have realised that, in some cases, the noblest of pursuits and ideals are in fact counter-productive.
Rather than taking this to its full conclusion, you have just used it as justification to bitch about groups of people you don't like.
 
I just don't understand why people CARE so much about the relative decay of humanity.

I mean, if your so individualistic, and you think everyone else is making everyone else worse, you should be happy!
All those continuously breeding downes syndrome people
and all those diseased morons with 12 diseased children, none of whom know how to farm,
all those weak fools who beg for sympathy,
from all those even more foolish, moralistic, holier-than-thou, supporters of this horrific decay,
all those people, they make you look good!

I mean, everything is relative, huh?
else, you wouldn't be so wise, right?
 
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