Hallucinogenics

[blink_fan75]

Hey,I'm brand new to this so if there's any problems with post,I'm sorry! Right,its simpler if I describe it like this. I hate hallucinogenics. The idea something can control me as powerfully is very scary to me,and I have had an adamant hatred of them since i discovered drugs in 2004. I always said i would never try them but I have been convinced in the past to try salvia,on which my trip lasted a lot less than my friends and i ended up having three panic attacks. Last night however,I was very keen to try mescaline,as I've heard there is no bad trips and its very mellow. Me and a friend,both first times,had 2 cups of "tea" and my friend started tripping balls!I however,simply developed a migraine. The thing i was wondering is whether its even slightly possible that my pure hatred and refusal of hallucinogenics has perhaps put up a sub-conscious block,and prevented it from working?I definetely took enough for it to take effect,but nothing-other than the inability to sleep due to migraine-happened. Please help!

 

[Propyl Power]

The thing i was wondering is whether its even slightly possible that my pure hatred and refusal of hallucinogenics has perhaps put up a sub-conscious block,and prevented it from working?

Yes, it's very possible.

Lose the hate. It's not going to get you anywhere worthwhile. Ever.

And by the way, you don't have control and never did. So if that's why you "hate" psychedelics, you can stop right there. Your sense of control is an illusion desperately maintained by a fragile and insecure ego.

 

[blode]

I don't know because I don't know about the chemistry of Mescaline but I am fairly certain that your willpower is not a factor as Mescaline is a mind altering substance. If someone gave me a bottle of Jack Daniels and forced me to drink it. No matter how much I hated alcohol and wouldn't want to get drunk, i'd still get drunk.
As for the migraine i'm not sure, maybe your cactus was bad or not potent. Your tea could have been done badly, maybe you had just eaten and your stomach was full so it didn't absorb quickly. Who knows?
Perhaps you should try with LSD or Shrooms? Your mind expands, it's not controlled. You feel free and think understand the world. Then you return to earth and think you're being brainwashed when you're sober.

 

[Tune in_Drop out]

Perhaps you should try with LSD or Shrooms? Your mind expands, it's not controlled. You feel free and think understand the world.

As much as I agree with the second part. if you've had two bad experiences and have such a negative outlook towards psychedelics- I wouldn't keep taking them to hope for a better experience.

learn more about them be around friends who are tripping and interact with them... psychedelics always tend to give a pretty strong contact high so having conversations with people who's minds are expanded is a good way to let you gague what their thoughts are doing. this can have remarkable effecting in changing how you feel about drugs. just try to avoid getting pressured into tripping just because your friends are doing it


if you do decide to trip again- take a hit or 2 of acid of 1.5 or 1.75 grams of some nice mushrooms and go play outside. have a benzo on hand if things get very uncomfortable and plan your day so you wont have anything to do and wont be up till the early hours of the night (acid give yourself 10-12 hours, shroumies 5-7 hours.)



good luck

 

[kendo121]

just relax mate and start taking small doses..make sure your with a people you know well and get on with and are in a nice environment..your not takin it down the woods or anything like that..

 

[dread]

I don't know because I don't know about the chemistry of Mescaline but I am fairly certain that your willpower is not a factor as Mescaline is a mind altering substance.

It is exactly because Mescaline is a mind altering substance that "willpower" is a factor.

Set & setting is everything.

 

[solistus]

Control you how? They alter your perception and mental state, as do pretty much all drugs. You may encounter things that are unpleasant or uncomfortable in a trip, especially if there are things in your life that you are repressing rather than dealing with. If you mean that they 'control' you by altering your mental state, I agree with the first reply that I think you vastly overestimate your degree of control in this domain normally. That may be one of the unpleasant lessons psychedelics are trying to teach you. While phenethylamines like mescaline have a reputation for being somewhat more gentle than tryptamines like mushrooms, they are still nothing to take lightly.

There are two sure-fire recipes for disaster (or at least an unsatisfactory experience) when using psychedelics. The first is coming in with negative or overly strong expectations. The second is not being willing to face the sometimes frightening or difficult experiences you may have. It sounds like you're coming into the experience with both. While they can be very rewarding, psychedelics are dangerous to take purely for fun.

If the psychedelic experience is something you want to explore further, prepare yourself for your next experience, try to go in with an open mind and accept whatever happens. If you are worried about your physical safety or the risk of doing something stupid while tripping hard, have a friend there who isn't tripping to trip sit you. If you don't want to explore psychedelics, that's fine. Not every experience is for everyone, and maybe (at least at your current stage in life) you are either not ready for or not interested in what psychedelics have to offer.

 

[PepperSocks]

And by the way, you don't have control and never did. So if that's why you "hate" psychedelics, you can stop right there. Your sense of control is an illusion desperately maintained by a fragile and insecure ego.

Very true.

It sounds like you're drawn to psychedelics in some way. You say you hate them but here you are on an internet forum trying to figure it out so you can have a trip.

My view: Next time you trip you're going to have your ego stripped from you and it might not be too pleasant for the first bit.

If you take a strong dose of a psychedelic you cannot fight it; it is going to do it's thing and you will trip. A psychedelic that is very good at this kind of thing is mushrooms. They get right into you and don't let go.

You may end up in the fetal position on the floor crying, begging to a higher power for mercy. You'll give up your illusion of control and be cleansed.

You'll feel so much better afterwards.

 

[ford442]

i grew up in the 80's with a deep seated hatred of can-openers.. i have never had creamed corn or clams or even pineapple.. the other day i tried using just a little can opener and it cut both of my thumbs off.. i did have my first black olive though.. it was pretty good...

 

[Qnick]

really? both of your thumbs?



how did you eat the olive then. =P

 

[ASquishyApple]

If someone gave me a bottle of Jack Daniels and forced me to drink it. No matter how much I hated alcohol and wouldn't want to get drunk, i'd still get drunk.

i've never been to keen on the whole getting drunk and losing control of oneself. whenever i have tried to drink excessively i've almost always reached a point where i can't drink anymore and end up getting sick. this isn't the normal drink too much alcohol go throw up kind of situation as it was never an incredible amount and it depended on the setting (like only 6-8 beers/shots was my limit.) in a few situations where i was completely fine with letting myself lose control and knew nothing bad would come of it i was able to drink way more without getting sick (like 15-20 beers/shots.) so i know i don't just have some sort of weak stomach to alcohol

so in short willpower can have something to do with it even with alcohol. if you truly do not wish to experience the effects of what you're ingesting, the mind is a very powerful thing and i think it can fight the substance for control to a point. and with a high enough dose you would eventually feel the effects but if your mind continues to resist and fight for control you may end up in a bad trip until you figure out how to let go.

 

[psood0nym]

I always said i would never try them but I have been convinced in the past to try salvia,on which my trip lasted a lot less than my friends and i ended up having three panic attacks.

So, besides mescaline cacti, which gave you a headache, your first and only psychedelic-like experience is with a very unusual kappa opioid receptor agonist known to cause people to believe they are other things and walk around without awareness of what they're doing? I think I see why you're worried about psychedelics controlling your mind. However, salvia isn't the least bit representative of the 5-HT psychedelics.

As to whether or not you've put up a subconscious block, maybe, but then again cacti are not that reliable for causing trips. Plus, it being your first time, you may simply not have recognized the effects of lower-dose mescaline (your friend may just be sensitive).

I agree with the suggestion to use mushrooms. They're typically a much more imposing experience than mescaline, but still nothing like saliva. For people of average sensitivity using average-strength mushrooms, 2.5-3 grams is probably enough to give you an idea of what classical psychedelia is all about in a way that you can't block out.

 

[Bardeaux]

How can you be so certain of your hatred for psychedelics when you havent had a proper trip? Mescaline can be really subtle in low doses, so you probably didnt notice the slight effects. I suggest you try mushrooms or lsd if you want to get a feel for psychedelics.

Your set and setting is the most influential factor to your experience, so if youre in a good place physically and mentally your trip will be alot more smoothe than if you go into the trip worrying about having a bad time. Just keep an open mind with no expectations based on what youve heard and you will probably be pleasantly suprised.

Salvia isnt the best window into the realm of psychedelics. The salvia experience is extremly intense and sometimes rather uncomfortable imo. Its completely different from any other drug I've ever tried.