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Habitual psychedelic use

I have seen people use psychedelics habitually and doing fucked up shit to get them, but to be honest, all of these people were a pretty select and 'special' group to begin with all of them having some form of mental illness (from adhd to paranoid schizophrenia). All of them did it because they had a profound desire to escape from reality (as fuels most drug dependency), but really I think that it primarily came down to access.

You see, I've only really seen one person habitually use LSD- he was fucking nuts, he actually performed sexual services for middle aged gay men he met on the internet (he is straight, but he's one of those pretty asexual schizoprenics) for the explicit purpose of getting money for acid. This allowed him to buy a sheet of 100 each month and he religiously took 3 tabs a day, with extras in the weekend, claming that it helped his schizophrenia, but to anyone who saw him he was ten thousand times more batshit than when he's not taking anything 'for' his schizophrenia. Eventually he was arrested and institutionalised for crazy behaviour that I'm not going to recount on the interwubs, but once he got out his dealer (who assumed he sold the acid, who buys a sheet a month for personal?!)refused to sell to him anymore and pretty much people closed ranks to stop him getting his hands on psychedelics. Who says there aren't ethical drug dealers?

Other than that one, very, very strange instance I've only ever seen people habitually using 2C's. This probably has more to do with the combination of unemployment, a thriving social scene full of impromptu houseparties, punk gigs in bedrooms, couches on roofs and bonfires in backyards and getting 250 doses of a powerful psychedelic off the internets for about 1/3 the price of sheet of 100 LSD tabs than any sort of addiction liability. And really, it wasn't even habitual use like habitual use of junk/meth/benzos, people definately tripped every day on 2C-E/2C-B for a month, but no one could sustain it- sooner or later everyone made a conscious decision to stop doing taking it so often because they felt like it was making them go crazy, or they had straight up psychotic breaks and HAD to let their brains rest up. Some of them haven't touched it since.

Psychedelics definately have a wall that most addictive drugs don't have (alcohol is probably an exception), after a certain point continuing to take psychedelics starts to reaffirm that you need to stop taking psychedelics. It's actually quite cool- drugs that make you want to not take drugs and get out there, experience life and the world in all its unadulterated wonder and horror...
 
You can't really sit there and ponder, and intellectualize, and plan out the most logical and rational psychedelic regimen. They're too complex, mysterious, and unpredictable. You just have to experiment a little bit. Start taking a little more, then back off for awhile, then try working with them a little more heavily, etc. See what happens.

As long as you never make a terribly drastic move, you can't really cause any harm, and you've got nothing to lose. But potentially a lot to gain.
 
well...I mean, I don't feel guilty about tripping and I don't feel like I need to justify it with some kind of deeper meaning or spiritual quest. I wish that I could do it more, that the drugs wouldn't stop working from over-use.

I relegate it to my free time, try to minimize any negative effects of psychedelics (such as being tired or spun out) from interfering with stuff like my job and adult responsibilities. I have gone through periods in my youth where I tripped an awful lot and I don't really feel negative about that time although I did get sort of nutty. I had a hell of a fun time being as weird as I wanted to be as often as I wanted to be.

Psychedelics are one of my passions, have been for like half of my life so far and I don't ever see that ceasing to be the case. I value psychedelics too much to relegate their use to the realm of mundane and thoughtless action that the word "habit" seems to imply
 
ive been through phases of weekly 2ce and mushroom use,
it dose loose its oumf, but you still trip.
it depends on your schedual more than how much can you get away with tripping,
and the person,
some people can just trip more than others,
and have very spiritual trips each time
its probably one of the safest things to use habitually but the most risky,
cause one bad trip and bam, your whole month, or longer is shattered,
bad trips suck, but you learn from them.
i just hate when tripping causes others harm or confusion,
thats my number one rule, not to disturb society while tripping,
and not tripping so much that it effects my life.
 
pastelcircus said:
ditto, flickering.
; when i do shrooms, i think, yeah, i need to quit smoking, exercise, just be happy, all this stuff
but then i come down, sleep, and the next morning when i'm supposed to be up early to go for a bike ride or whatever, i sleep in, get back to my same old shit
i actually have found it taxing on my ego to not incorporate shit you know you need to do
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yeah I have this "WTF U DOIN" all the time during the coming down...
but I can tell you.. it happened so much that it started to changing me for really doing good shit.
it's really impossible to become the guy u're urging to be when you're coming down.. but are ideas you really fix and work on through trips and trips..
 
um
yeah,
i'm not blaming anybody, but being in a fucked up relationship and tripping balls with that person is damaging
but who's to say that that damage wouldn't have incurred either way..
i've done way too many shrooms.
hanging up the phone.
it's definitely affected my sobriety, i know i might not ever get back to 'normal'
 
I think there's two types of people who are drawn to psychedelics. People with self-control, who really are just looking to explore, learn, and grow from the experiences and there are those who just want to take something that puts them in another world so they dont have to think about the life they lead.

Now some people are gonna say "well when I take psychedlic drugs I think a lot about my life and my issues," this is true, but there are those who just want to get away from there problems instead of actually dealing with them and changing the situation.

I personally feel that tripping twice a month is okay, but I trip according to where my life is at that point. If I feel like I need to do some mental cleaning and evaluation, I trip. I look at psychedelics as a tool that we all posses. Like a contractor carrying around a hammer (psychedelics) he has the ability to do some great work or destroy everything in his pathway.

Either way, tripping to simply run away from problems isn't smart.

-djstrip
 
I think psychedelics will tell you when you've had enough. It is possible to over do it in a way that damages you lastingly, but if you are paying attention you get the message in plenty of time.

I've been taking psychedelics 2 or more times a month for over a decade now. Even though I have been conservative with dosages, I definitely have some hardened, permanent tolerances that even months of abstinence can't crack.

When I trip too much, I start feeling depersonalized even when sober. I feel alienated and unable to understand consensual reality. I get involved in completely one-sided mindwars with my unenlightened colleagues. Objects lose their value. Symbols lose their meaning. Tripping too much with the same group of people can get cult-y as people loose sense of their personal boundaries and start to blend into each other.

However, even recent government-approved studies have shown that the best therapeutic practice for psychedelics is redosing over a period of time. The first time can cause a major break, but following up by repeating the experience seems to help keep people on the right path.

Psychedelics cut new paths in the mind, they lay the foundation for change -- but you have to use the paths or they will grow over.
 
Sounds like many of us are on spiritual paths/seeking wisdom. It is unhealthy for one to become reliant on psychedelics to grow however. Overusing these things is bound to have permanent consequences on the brain in potentially negative ways. I choose to trip once per month and supplement this with daily yoga and enlightening readings. I'm pretty sure I'm getting the message, and this way, my consciousness isn't really altered on a neurochemical level from it, and my progress isn't set off course from frequent coming ups/coming downs. If I trip more than this my sober self begins to change... not just due to what I have learned from my trips, but because these very powerful chemicals have a lasting effect on the brain (in gentler ways than neurotoxicity... nevertheless, we do not have the brain figured out completely, and to assume psychedelics are totally benign is to be misguided in my opinion). I am not interested in altering my brain permanently, just accelerating my progress once in a while. The brain is an extremely important organ and shouldn't be trifled with too much.
 
bunnyhentman said:
However, even recent government-approved studies have shown that the best therapeutic practice for psychedelics is redosing over a period of time. The first time can cause a major break, but following up by repeating the experience seems to help keep people on the right path.
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Which study was this? Are you sure it wasn't the MDMA one for people with post-traumatic stress rather than psychedelics?

The psychedelic stuff with the terminally ill usually revolves around one trip - it's too physically demanding to keep tripping week after week when you're on the brink of death.
 
icecube said:
Sometimes I have the crazy idea of taking a blotter once a week... choose 1 day of my weekend and do it..
Mainly because there are two things I love to do: music and sex.. other stuff doesn't even come closer..
And listening to music on Acid is like a hundred times better.. There are almoust 30 albuns waiting to be tested during a trip..

But I had such a crazy year that once I took it 5 weekends in a row.. Now I take it once a month.. And I noticed that every time it get's less intense...
I'm worried about having to take a lot to have a nice trip.. Is it me or it really happens?

I'd say that that's 90% of why I don't do it every week. 10% because I don't know the long-term effects after doing something like that.
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If you are talking about LSD you build up a tollerance. I would stop now if it is LSD because form what I hear after you pass a certain point of tolerance it will never go back down. Approximation needing about 5 hits to get a decent trip is that level. anyone feel free to refine/argue this
 
This is how I feel about all just about all drugs. And it is true of most of them. Alcohol to DMT. its pretty simple, there are users and ABusers. It's kind of sad really. I see it everywhere like even today. I went to my friends house and they decided to start smoking weed. Besides the fact that I could tell it was just weak chronic (I don't smoke but I hang out with enough old people to know) and the smoked and then... Nothing... No conversation, not introspection no real discussion. They just played black jack.
When I did LSD everyone around me was like you're going to se so much cool shit!!!! and I was like I don't care haha. I kept my eyes closed most of the time and meditated.

Basically how I see it drugs are like a shovel you can use them to dig up your problems and get rid of them. (Though a lot of the time you can use meditation and other not chemical related forms of introspection to do the same) or you can use drugs to try and pile more dirt and shit on top of them.

But you can't really judge because if the person is still mentally at a place where they keep trying to bury their problems in stead of dig them up then that means that they are not ready to face them.
 
you sound like i did at the beginning of this year. i was a fairly new LSD user, and found a solid connection. for awhile i was dropping acid every week, sometimes alone sometimes with friends. i think once or twice i even did it more than once in a week. for me, LSD lost a little bit of its "magic". its not like mdma where you dont still have a good time, i just got more used to the feeling and it wasnt as insane and eye opening. also the comedowns seemed to get rougher. this summer i slowed down a little, and only dropped 3 times the whole summer, once on a candyflip. i havent dropped in like a month, and am waiting for a special occasion to present itself before i take more tabs. i would say slow down, i would say i good rule is once a month, maybe twice if a cant miss situation arises but never more than twice a month.
 
Hah, I've agreed with just about everything I've read here, even though a lot of it is at odds with each other. Here are my conclusions.

How frequently you trip ought to depend on you, the substance, and what you're trying to achieve with the substance. If you listen to yourself, you'll know if you're doing too much. You'll know if you're just doing it to escape. Some people only need one trip in their whole life, and some do it infrequently, once a year or so. We obviously have a more focused interest in it. As a general guideline, I agree that limiting it to once a month, or sometimes twice, is a good idea. Perhaps you could do a low test dose of a new substance, then a higher dose a few days later, like I just did with san pedro (the low dose was unintentional). But for full trips, having some limit sounds healthy.

Of course, if you feel the need to do it more, I don't see anything wrong with that. It might be a habit, or you might just be at a point where you need to have your mind blown once a week.

djstrip said:
Now some people are gonna say "well when I take psychedlic drugs I think a lot about my life and my issues," this is true, but there are those who just want to get away from there problems instead of actually dealing with them and changing the situation.
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This made me feel better, I deliberately confront my problems on every trip. The problem is making the changes stick, but as I realised on yesterday's trip, the first step is being honest with yourself anyway, i.e. acceptance, instead of fantasising about being a different person, which is indeed escape.
 
Ismene said:
Which study was this? Are you sure it wasn't the MDMA one for people with post-traumatic stress rather than psychedelics?

The psychedelic stuff with the terminally ill usually revolves around one trip - it's too physically demanding to keep tripping week after week when you're on the brink of death.
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I was thinking of one I read about LSD and Alcoholism, I will try to find the reference. The gist was that LSD therapy could profoundly help alcoholics but the effect fades over time and they might need to "reup" in order to keep from falling back into the habit.
 
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