H, the shitdrug from hell, is coming around

[alasdairm]

Thats the biggest load of bs I've ever heard!

it's not bullshit just because you don't agree with it...

With weed at worst u can get a few fucked up mood swings and waste abit of cash...

i've seen pot create problem fors people that go beyond "a few fucked up mood swings" and some wasted cash. you are demonstrably wrong.

there's little value to a "drug X is worse than drug Y" thread that does not advance beyond the simple point and counterpoint of "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't".

sigh. i'll leave this open for now...

alasdair

 

[Symmetrical Daze]

Thats the biggest load of bs I've ever heard!

finally people are makin sense!

Its all molecules...saying any one is better than the other is foolish.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EFFECTS ON PEOPLE. yea its all molecules, a virus is a bunch of molecules.

its foolish not to categorize drugs. saying a drug is "better" would be an opinion. but saying a drug is more harmful is a fact. cant argue with the facts. weed doesnt kill people by OD.

i forgot to mention, heroin killed someone i know. and a few ppl here in this town i know of.

 

[alasdairm]

saying a drug is "better" would be an opinion. but saying a drug is more harmful is a fact. cant argue with the facts.

i don't want to belabour this but one person agreeing with you on a public board does not mean everything is suddenly a fact.

i've seen people let drugs other than heroin do more damage - speaking holistically - to themselves. effects on their lifestyle, career and relationships.

does this mean i'm "right" and you're "wrong". of course not. they're all just our opinions.

it's real easy to argue with facts when they're not facts

you think heroin sucks. i don't think heroin sucks - i think people get themselves in trouble with it. i think a black/white "heroin sucks" stance is looking specifically at a small piece of a very large picture.

alasdair

 

[hoptis]

SD, I know how you feel and the position you find yourself in. A lot of people on this board find it easy to talk about heroin objectively, "Oh, it's not as bad as other drugs." "Oh, you can be a homeless, hooker living on the streets on any other drug." "Oh, I do it recreationally, no probs."

How many people do you see selling their bodies to pay for weed, pills or speed?

Heroin spread like wildfire through my city around a decade ago now.

Of all the drugs, there is none sadder. Heroin is human misery in powder form and those who sell it to minors are pushing a lifetime of suffering.

 

[RaverMadness]

Oh, I've seen plenty of people fuck up their lives with speed.

Here's where I'm coming from:

Until I was 17, I had always been for the most part anti-drug. Sure, I smoked pot a handful of times, got drunk at punk shows, but I was always resiliant and didn't get hangovers. A bunch of my friends snorted crank, and a few rolled every now and then, but that was it. See, these people, in my opinion, had problems. They were dysfunctional to start with, and methamphetamine and breaking into cars and houses didn't seem to be a productive thing to do.

I had my alcohol.

Fast-forward to Thanksgiving 1998, when I was at a friend's birthday party. I proceeded to get stinking, falling down drunk, try to fuck any available female I could focus my eyes on, and made an idiot of myself. I vomited on the last roll of toilet paper.

When I came to the next day, the only people left in the apartment were junkies. They got me coffee, and I spent the day hanging out with these people who weren't evil. They didn't go through my wallet while I was passed out or steal my shoes. Two of them were unemployed, one of them worked at a gas station, but the important thing was these people were functioning. My drinking, something that I thought was harmless, turned into a destructive habit, and something that I had always assumed would ruin your life was being used by the nicest goddamn people I'd met in recent memory.

 

[El Duce]

my guess is heroin users lose pleasure in life cause heroin is the ultimate pleasure for them

That is a fact......I railed H and Oxy on occasion for years and never got hooked until I went through some depression and relied on it to feel better.....

 

[Partykid12]

i dont apologize to the specific people i was directing the flames to.

i never been hurt by the drug or tried it cause i was smart.

I have never been hurt by the drug and I have tried it... it effects different people differently and you have to realize that.

You keep bitching about people ODing on Heroin, most people who OD are not being responsible. If you go beyond your limit you know that you are swimming in dangerous waters. You are pissed off at this drug for personal reasons and you haven't stopped to think that maybe it was the users fault. It's easy to blame everyone else but your friends, but maybe you should start thinking that your friends are iresponsible.

 

[Shucklak]

heroine is both the best drug and the worst. If you are worried about your friends, instead of getting angry, just let them read all the posts on BL about what opiates can do to a person. Let them read about physical withdraw. It is very true that someone who IV's heroine can be addicted for life, as almost nothing can compare to it. Young people who get hooked on it are especially prone to turning to crime to pay for their addiction because they dont have the money that older addicts sometimes do. And the addiction can cost hundreds of dollars a day easily. Hell tell them to read my post , i have been through it. True some can moderate their use but if it is someone who is depressed and thats why their using, it sounds like they are an excellent candidate for addiction. its better to never get involved with the shit cause you will have alot more fun drunk as shit on spring break, or trippin at a concert than you will sittin at your house pokin yourself with a needle every half hour and gettin blood on all your clothes. oh and dont be so angry at the dealers i almost guarantee that the reason they are dealing is cause they are hopelessly addicted themselves, they most likely arent pushing the shit on innocent kids. sorry im ramblin cant sleep because of .......opiate withdrawal, hahahaha isnt that just great?

 

[Symmetrical Daze]

You keep bitching about people ODing on Heroin, most people who OD are not being responsible. If you go beyond your limit you know that you are swimming in dangerous waters. You are pissed off at this drug for personal reasons and you haven't stopped to think that maybe it was the users fault. It's easy to blame everyone else but your friends, but maybe you should start thinking that your friends are iresponsible.

I am mainly bitching about addiction. Ive seen people be completely taken over by the drug and its not them anymore. And of course I blame them, it was their fuckup and theyre not my friends anymore, which i am glad of cause they are lying stealing assholes. unlike what they used to be.

Does anyone know of a good Dark Side thread about opiate addiction I could show this girl? I cant show this one, most people glorify and rationalize its use.

they most likely arent pushing the shit on innocent kids.

did i not state, THIS IS THE CASE! they are, obviously. i know these girls wouldnt seek it out they were persuaded. Even if they are selling to support their habit, it makes them no better and i stick by what i say at the bottom of the first post.

it effects different people differently and you have to realize that.

I realize a wave of heroin came through and ruined so many people. I dont give a fuk if 10% of the people can handle it, IME, most people cant. Like i said, it always starts out that they can handle it for a few times.

 

[Shucklak]

are u clairvoyant? you seem to know alot of things without any actual proof....maybe you should appear on montel or something, and share your gift with the world. I have never met a dealer who approaches non-users and attempts to get them to use. This would be one of the quickest ways to get locked up. if anyone was pressuring them to use it would most likely be their friends who are users. How can you blame the drug? It's not heroine's fault that it is so seductive and pleasureable. maybe you should join up with the DEA. Yes, a psychic DEA master detective who kills drug dealers. That sounds like the way to go to me.

 

[Partykid12]

they are, obviously. i know these girls wouldnt seek it out they were persuaded. Even if they are selling to support their habit, it makes them no better and i stick by what i say at the bottom of the first post.

You know for a fact? Or is that what your friends told you? You seem to think that there is no way possible that your friends could have asked for the drugs themselves... reminds me of a parent not wanting to believe their kid is into drugs. Perhaps your friends are not as innocent as you once thought and you don't want to believe it. Like I said in my previous post.. you can't blame the drug, you must blame the user. Truth is, your friends bought the drug and used it, therefore they are responsible for their actions and consequences. Should we throw all the junkies in jail that got caught stealing or with possession out of jail because it wasn't their fault? It was the dealers fault? No that is not the way to go.

One more thing, not all addicts go around stealing and pawning shit like your friends... that is a bad generalization.

 

[Symmetrical Daze]

Above all these little disputes, the bottom line is these 2 girls are fucked. They are already addicted and i cant do shit about it.

Yea, its theyre lives. I just cant help to feel pissed at this scum around here.

The heroin users arent by friends btw, none of my friends do heroin. yes, its discrimination against them, think what u want, i have seen enough.

 

[Seedlesss]

Too any good people who get caught up in the drug; you have my apologies

Ahhh that explains it, I always just assumed only bad people did heroin...

 

[alasdairm]

A lot of people on this board find it easy to talk about heroin objectively, "Oh, it's not as bad as other drugs."

i don't see any evidence of that, in this thread certainly.

nobody here, that i can see, is saying "heroin is not as bad as other drugs".

my take on what people are saying is heroin is a drug and, like other drugs, it can cause problems in the wrong hands.

for every "heroin sucks" story there is a "meth sucks" or a "coke sucks" story.

that doesn't mean they're all equally bad or equally good or equally whatever.

some people have just questioned the value of a post which talks in heated, extremely emotional (not to mention third-party) terms about how much drug x sucks and that those dealers should have the shit kicked out of them.

i don't know the answer to that question...

alasdair

 

[alasdairm]

That is a fact...

that you lost pleasure in life cause heroin was/is the ultimate pleasure for you may be a fact.

that all heroin users lose pleasure in life cause heroin is the ultimate pleasure for them is not a fact. it's opinion.

there is a huge difference.

alasdair

 

[RaverMadness]

I've had girls come up to me and say they wanted to try heroin. Not that I sell drugs or anything, I just look like I'm on something due to my weight.

 

[ruga4]

< -edited for flames -CMB>

If I am going to add nothing to the discussion other than insults and sarcasm, I will keep my mouth shut.

 

[LifeIsEEEEasy]

im incapable of writing a sensible post here......

u can call me a hypocrite or wateva the fuck u's want but if.....
i dunno
heroins just plain fucking evil and ive seen and experienced enough 2 know.... wish it was easy 2 pass on my thoughts as clearly as i would like, but u neva really know until u experience yourself...... i hope no1 eva has 2 find out

there are drug problems, then there are heroin problems

 

[RaverMadness]

Okay, I think we can all agree that heroin addiction is not a good thing. I know this is a touchy, emotional issue for a lot of you, but calling someone or their ideas stupid or worthless isn't productive. You won't convince the person, and you're just going to piss them off.

The irony here is the attitudes that demonize heroin and heroin users make the drug and it's use all the more harmful by allowing a criminal black market where nothing is controlled.

Would you rather have pure heroin dispensed by a safe, clean state-licensed facility where it doesn't get into the hands of minors, or heroin that could be cut with anything and sold out of someone's filthy '85 Dodge Aries by a gut who doesn't care how old you are?

 

[Symmetrical Daze]

Would you rather have pure heroin dispensed by a safe, clean state-licensed facility

LOL! FUCK NO. how wouldnt it get into the hands of minors? it would be like alcohol, its so easy to get. this plan which i don't agree with would make it easier for minors to get and cause a bigger epidemic of addiction.

[bold comments are edits by alasdairm]

If heroin was legal as u say,there would be a black market and white market. People would just lace the legal heroin and sell it. Damn, i thought CMB, as a mod would have more sense.

alasdairm, u had no good reason to delete and alter my post.